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Kirk, " I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies,

and

statistics. "

Nope, British Prime Minister Disraeli

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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:56 PM

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I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and

statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it

was

our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the

dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have

you.

Kirk

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Kirk, " I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies,

and

statistics. "

Nope, British Prime Minister Disraeli

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of N5XNU@...

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:56 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Helicopter use

I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and

statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it

was

our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the

dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have

you.

Kirk

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Statistics can be manipulated various ways. I just saw a stat from Zoll

that the AutoPulse increases coronary perfusion pressure by 133%. When you

look at the study, it was only 25%. They extrapolated the data and compared

it to baseline which always adds 100%. It should have read 125% though-but

really 25%. The human body is so complex and we understand so little that

much of medicine is a game of chance and that is why statistics are so

important. You see a lot of doctors with an MPH degree-that is basically a

statistics degree.

I saw a good example in the ED at Washington in December. The

neurologist was seeing a patient with a recent stroke who they were

considering for the interventional lab. The patient had a hemiparesis and

was aphasic. He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you

to the lab and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50%

chance you will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:05 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

Kirk, " I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies,

and

statistics. "

Nope, British Prime Minister Disraeli

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of N5XNU@...

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:56 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Helicopter use

I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and

statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it

was

our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the

dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have

you.

Kirk

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Statistics can be manipulated various ways. I just saw a stat from Zoll

that the AutoPulse increases coronary perfusion pressure by 133%. When you

look at the study, it was only 25%. They extrapolated the data and compared

it to baseline which always adds 100%. It should have read 125% though-but

really 25%. The human body is so complex and we understand so little that

much of medicine is a game of chance and that is why statistics are so

important. You see a lot of doctors with an MPH degree-that is basically a

statistics degree.

I saw a good example in the ED at Washington in December. The

neurologist was seeing a patient with a recent stroke who they were

considering for the interventional lab. The patient had a hemiparesis and

was aphasic. He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you

to the lab and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50%

chance you will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:05 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

Kirk, " I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies,

and

statistics. "

Nope, British Prime Minister Disraeli

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of N5XNU@...

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:56 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Helicopter use

I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and

statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it

was

our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the

dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have

you.

Kirk

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Statistics can be manipulated various ways. I just saw a stat from Zoll

that the AutoPulse increases coronary perfusion pressure by 133%. When you

look at the study, it was only 25%. They extrapolated the data and compared

it to baseline which always adds 100%. It should have read 125% though-but

really 25%. The human body is so complex and we understand so little that

much of medicine is a game of chance and that is why statistics are so

important. You see a lot of doctors with an MPH degree-that is basically a

statistics degree.

I saw a good example in the ED at Washington in December. The

neurologist was seeing a patient with a recent stroke who they were

considering for the interventional lab. The patient had a hemiparesis and

was aphasic. He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you

to the lab and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50%

chance you will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:05 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

Kirk, " I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies,

and

statistics. "

Nope, British Prime Minister Disraeli

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of N5XNU@...

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:56 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Helicopter use

I believe it was Clemens that said " There are lies, damn lies, and

statistics. " At any instance any of us can become a statistic whether it

was

our fault or not. You do the best job you can to minimize/mitigate the

dangers. That's why we wear gloves, body armor, bunker gear, what have

you.

Kirk

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I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that

it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what

we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This

probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances,

finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the

vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven

to make a difference.

BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in

the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets???

We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as

safe as possible.

Dudley

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You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then

as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we

should just all stay home?.

Jon

> >>

> >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the

white

> >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

government

> >> > using them so often?

> >>

> >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

when and

> >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

Two did

> >> today.

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that

it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what

we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This

probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances,

finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the

vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven

to make a difference.

BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in

the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets???

We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as

safe as possible.

Dudley

Re: Helicopter use

You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then

as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we

should just all stay home?.

Jon

> >>

> >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the

white

> >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

government

> >> > using them so often?

> >>

> >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

when and

> >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

Two did

> >> today.

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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I don't see a reason to stay at home and not do anything...but I do think that

it is time we, as an industry, started truly examining what and why we do what

we do...and truly try and make changes that can protect all of us. This

probably includes only using helicopters in finite defined circumstances,

finding and mandating that all EMS personnel are restrained at ALL times the

vehicle is in motion (yeah...in the back too) and other steps as they are proven

to make a difference.

BTW, did anyone see the recommendation late in the week that EMS personnel in

the back of ambulances be made to wear helmets???

We don't need to stay home...we just need to do what is necessary to stay as

safe as possible.

Dudley

Re: Helicopter use

You should perhaps look at a different profession all together then

as the statistic for it as a whole a pretty dangerous. Maybe we

should just all stay home?.

Jon

> >>

> >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the

white

> >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

government

> >> > using them so often?

> >>

> >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

when and

> >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

Two did

> >> today.

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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I am some hours short of my M.P.H., but by my simple math, that comes to 105%!

I like those odds! (g)

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

" ... He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you to the lab

and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50% chance you

will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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I am some hours short of my M.P.H., but by my simple math, that comes to 105%!

I like those odds! (g)

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

" ... He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you to the lab

and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50% chance you

will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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I am some hours short of my M.P.H., but by my simple math, that comes to 105%!

I like those odds! (g)

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

" ... He offered the patient the choice this way: " We can take you to the lab

and give some blood thinners to break up the clot. There is a 50% chance you

will stay the same, a 30% chance you will get worse, and a 20%

chance you will return to normal, and a 5% chance you will die. " Let me know

what you want to do? The neurologist was providing the patient the best

objective information he had-cold as it seemed. That is how medicine is

sometimes.

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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Dudley,

I was just being sarcastic about staying home. I totally agree with

any practical measures we can take for safety. It is my belief that

it is already being addressed...as to the safety concerns in the

helicopter industry. I think that you would find an increase rather

than decrease in helicopter utilization if you implemented hard

criteria for them. That's just a hypothesis but I bet I'm right. I

agree that would indeed improve appropriateness issues. Everyone

already has the ability to create protocols for utilization but most

that I have seen remain vague.

Staying as safe as possible...Helmets--how far are you prepared to

go? I'm sure that one will be well received by the crews. LOL.

Until tomorrow, I will be " SAFELY " in bed.

Jon

> > >>

> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for

the

> white

> > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

> government

> > >> > using them so often?

> > >>

> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

> when and

> > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

> Two did

> > >> today.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Dudley,

I was just being sarcastic about staying home. I totally agree with

any practical measures we can take for safety. It is my belief that

it is already being addressed...as to the safety concerns in the

helicopter industry. I think that you would find an increase rather

than decrease in helicopter utilization if you implemented hard

criteria for them. That's just a hypothesis but I bet I'm right. I

agree that would indeed improve appropriateness issues. Everyone

already has the ability to create protocols for utilization but most

that I have seen remain vague.

Staying as safe as possible...Helmets--how far are you prepared to

go? I'm sure that one will be well received by the crews. LOL.

Until tomorrow, I will be " SAFELY " in bed.

Jon

> > >>

> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for

the

> white

> > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

> government

> > >> > using them so often?

> > >>

> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

> when and

> > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

> Two did

> > >> today.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Dudley,

I was just being sarcastic about staying home. I totally agree with

any practical measures we can take for safety. It is my belief that

it is already being addressed...as to the safety concerns in the

helicopter industry. I think that you would find an increase rather

than decrease in helicopter utilization if you implemented hard

criteria for them. That's just a hypothesis but I bet I'm right. I

agree that would indeed improve appropriateness issues. Everyone

already has the ability to create protocols for utilization but most

that I have seen remain vague.

Staying as safe as possible...Helmets--how far are you prepared to

go? I'm sure that one will be well received by the crews. LOL.

Until tomorrow, I will be " SAFELY " in bed.

Jon

> > >>

> > >> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for

the

> white

> > >> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the

> government

> > >> > using them so often?

> > >>

> > >> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on

> when and

> > >> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down.

> Two did

> > >> today.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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" Jon " flynmedic@... wrote:

> I get fatigued reading all the helicopter bashing

> on here.

And I get fatigued reading shallow observations like this. I

challenge you to show a single bashing post.

> Some of which is warranted…some just jumping on the

> band wagon.

I've just spent most of the day catching up on the message board,

reading every one of the comments regarding helicopters, and I don't

recall a single message from someone " jumping on " . Every pro-

helicopter message was from one flyboy or another and every con was

from someone I have seen post on this topic previously, so please do

me the favor of identifying these bandwagon jumpers on.

> If you don't have a better solution or idea…then

> you are just restating the problem over and over

> and over. We know already—

You don't act like you know anything of the sort. You continue

providing valuable services to a public that does not yet know the

scope of the danger they place themselves in. Can you tell us why

your industry isn't cleaning itself up from the inside? Why has it

taken record numbers of air medical craft falling from the sky,

dozens or unnecessary deaths and threats of FAA intervention to even

get your bosses to talk about it? Can you tell me the answer to that

one?

The people who own the helicopters are making money hand over fist.

They will not give up their cash cow until forced to by a concerned

public or the government. In the mean time, reasonable, caring

voices within your own profession should continue quoting

statistics and irritating the flyboys and their bosses in an effort

to get a notoriously head-in-the-sand profession to do something

about it from the inside out.

> We all had role in how it got this way.

Probably, and now you complain and whine when a few previous

aficionados, even proponents of helicopters, pull their heads out of

the sand and seem to be trying to get the rest of you to see past

the emotions you wear on your sleeve and study the problem

objectively. My only complaint is they didn't do it sooner.

I've not seen a single message on any electronic forum advocating

complete abolition of air medical helicopters, and neither have I

seen anything in the press or magazines. Instead I see insiders, our

own people who care about our profession and point out dangers in

frivolous overuse of resources, waste of millions of healthcare

dollars and unnecessary loss of life, all for questionable return.

If you disagree with your opponents, then state your facts and

debate. If you simply don't like what they say, you should probably

hold your own council, as you do yourself a disservice by posting

silly, emotional responses.

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" Jon " flynmedic@... wrote:

> I get fatigued reading all the helicopter bashing

> on here.

And I get fatigued reading shallow observations like this. I

challenge you to show a single bashing post.

> Some of which is warranted…some just jumping on the

> band wagon.

I've just spent most of the day catching up on the message board,

reading every one of the comments regarding helicopters, and I don't

recall a single message from someone " jumping on " . Every pro-

helicopter message was from one flyboy or another and every con was

from someone I have seen post on this topic previously, so please do

me the favor of identifying these bandwagon jumpers on.

> If you don't have a better solution or idea…then

> you are just restating the problem over and over

> and over. We know already—

You don't act like you know anything of the sort. You continue

providing valuable services to a public that does not yet know the

scope of the danger they place themselves in. Can you tell us why

your industry isn't cleaning itself up from the inside? Why has it

taken record numbers of air medical craft falling from the sky,

dozens or unnecessary deaths and threats of FAA intervention to even

get your bosses to talk about it? Can you tell me the answer to that

one?

The people who own the helicopters are making money hand over fist.

They will not give up their cash cow until forced to by a concerned

public or the government. In the mean time, reasonable, caring

voices within your own profession should continue quoting

statistics and irritating the flyboys and their bosses in an effort

to get a notoriously head-in-the-sand profession to do something

about it from the inside out.

> We all had role in how it got this way.

Probably, and now you complain and whine when a few previous

aficionados, even proponents of helicopters, pull their heads out of

the sand and seem to be trying to get the rest of you to see past

the emotions you wear on your sleeve and study the problem

objectively. My only complaint is they didn't do it sooner.

I've not seen a single message on any electronic forum advocating

complete abolition of air medical helicopters, and neither have I

seen anything in the press or magazines. Instead I see insiders, our

own people who care about our profession and point out dangers in

frivolous overuse of resources, waste of millions of healthcare

dollars and unnecessary loss of life, all for questionable return.

If you disagree with your opponents, then state your facts and

debate. If you simply don't like what they say, you should probably

hold your own council, as you do yourself a disservice by posting

silly, emotional responses.

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Look, Dr. Bledsoe continually states that a helicopters only

function is speed and that only makes a difference in 1% of

patients. That a helicopter crew's closest cousin, in danger, is an

Alaskan snow crab Fisherman. Sounds like bashing to me. But since

you insist upon quotes here you go.

We will start with my Favorite one

" Fly till you die "

Next...

" And then there is the safety issue. The increased number of medical

helicopters (now approaching 800 in the US) has diluted out the

pilot/nurse/paramedic crew. Coupled with the retirement of Vietnam-

era

pilots, this has caused the air ambulance industry to continually

lower

pilot qualifications. So, as we saw in Indiana a few weeks ago, bad

decisions are being made despite NTSB and FAA warnings-all in the

name of profit. In terms of care, we saw little if any litigation

over helicopter EMS. In the last year I have been contacted by

lawyers here in Texas suing two Texas private EMS providers over

unrecognized esophageal intubations following RSI. I received a

similar inquiry two weeks ago from another state regarding a

helicopter quality of care issue. "

Heres another favorite...

" If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given

wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a

windmill that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill?

If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd

never get within 300 yards of one. "

I could continue but I think you can see at this point.

Our industry is cleaning up after itself. CAAMS accreditation has

gone a long way toward that end. Each agency is different, yet you

wish to paint them all with the same brush. One single opinion or

one set of stats shouldn't speak for everyone in this industry.

Bledsoe likes to make dramatic quotes that basically say you're a

fool if you fly 99% of the time and you're going to die. It's just

not that simple.

Jon

>

> > I get fatigued reading all the helicopter bashing

> > on here.

>

> And I get fatigued reading shallow observations like this. I

> challenge you to show a single bashing post.

>

> > Some of which is warranted…some just jumping on the

> > band wagon.

>

> I've just spent most of the day catching up on the message board,

> reading every one of the comments regarding helicopters, and I

don't

> recall a single message from someone " jumping on " . Every pro-

> helicopter message was from one flyboy or another and every con

was

> from someone I have seen post on this topic previously, so please

do

> me the favor of identifying these bandwagon jumpers on.

>

> > If you don't have a better solution or idea…then

> > you are just restating the problem over and over

> > and over. We know already—

>

> You don't act like you know anything of the sort. You continue

> providing valuable services to a public that does not yet know the

> scope of the danger they place themselves in. Can you tell us why

> your industry isn't cleaning itself up from the inside? Why has it

> taken record numbers of air medical craft falling from the sky,

> dozens or unnecessary deaths and threats of FAA intervention to

even

> get your bosses to talk about it? Can you tell me the answer to

that

> one?

>

> The people who own the helicopters are making money hand over

fist.

> They will not give up their cash cow until forced to by a

concerned

> public or the government. In the mean time, reasonable, caring

> voices within your own profession should continue quoting

> statistics and irritating the flyboys and their bosses in an

effort

> to get a notoriously head-in-the-sand profession to do something

> about it from the inside out.

>

> > We all had role in how it got this way.

>

> Probably, and now you complain and whine when a few previous

> aficionados, even proponents of helicopters, pull their heads out

of

> the sand and seem to be trying to get the rest of you to see past

> the emotions you wear on your sleeve and study the problem

> objectively. My only complaint is they didn't do it sooner.

>

> I've not seen a single message on any electronic forum advocating

> complete abolition of air medical helicopters, and neither have I

> seen anything in the press or magazines. Instead I see insiders,

our

> own people who care about our profession and point out dangers in

> frivolous overuse of resources, waste of millions of healthcare

> dollars and unnecessary loss of life, all for questionable return.

>

> If you disagree with your opponents, then state your facts and

> debate. If you simply don't like what they say, you should

probably

> hold your own council, as you do yourself a disservice by posting

> silly, emotional responses.

>

> --

>

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I forgot to include my statistics.... My son went home in 9 days..... no head

trauma... no spinal cord injury.... He told me he remembered thinking he was

going to die when he was airborne from the vehicle, because he thought he was

going to hit the highline wires and his body arc across those...... Miraculously

he went over them.... Took him awhile to completely recover... but he is strong

and raising a family now...

I was told when I arrived at Lubbock my daughter had " Boggy Lungs " and even

the vent would not support her long.....she had about 48 hours... She went home

in 4 days.... no residual damage at all..... Her name is Meredith, it is

Celtic, I named her after my grandfather, Meredith Malory , a red-headed

Irishman.... When I looked it up in the name book before she was born it

meant.... " gift from the water. "

I was so grateful for the air ambulance in both cases.... but the factor I

attribute most to their recovery is prayer.....

Parsons

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I forgot to include my statistics.... My son went home in 9 days..... no head

trauma... no spinal cord injury.... He told me he remembered thinking he was

going to die when he was airborne from the vehicle, because he thought he was

going to hit the highline wires and his body arc across those...... Miraculously

he went over them.... Took him awhile to completely recover... but he is strong

and raising a family now...

I was told when I arrived at Lubbock my daughter had " Boggy Lungs " and even

the vent would not support her long.....she had about 48 hours... She went home

in 4 days.... no residual damage at all..... Her name is Meredith, it is

Celtic, I named her after my grandfather, Meredith Malory , a red-headed

Irishman.... When I looked it up in the name book before she was born it

meant.... " gift from the water. "

I was so grateful for the air ambulance in both cases.... but the factor I

attribute most to their recovery is prayer.....

Parsons

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In a message dated 20-Feb-06 18:55:10 Central Standard Time,

bobby.brinson@... writes:

Wow, did a nerve get stepped on? Not the intention, promise. Oh, and I'm

glad that you have some personal protection but sorry you've had to pull it.

That's always a sticky situation to be in. Off the subject, I have the same

Ruger with the stainless bull barrel; very nice target gun. In fact, I have

a very nice collection of military and target weapons. I spent the weekend

with my family, so no, don't believe you had any MORE fun..and I own, free

and clear, my home (125k +) and one 2006 vehicle (Z71 Tahoe)

just out of curiosity...10/22 Mk II or 22/45?

I've got the 22/45 with a bull barrel, and that sucker shoots better than I

can...

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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In a message dated 20-Feb-06 18:55:10 Central Standard Time,

bobby.brinson@... writes:

Wow, did a nerve get stepped on? Not the intention, promise. Oh, and I'm

glad that you have some personal protection but sorry you've had to pull it.

That's always a sticky situation to be in. Off the subject, I have the same

Ruger with the stainless bull barrel; very nice target gun. In fact, I have

a very nice collection of military and target weapons. I spent the weekend

with my family, so no, don't believe you had any MORE fun..and I own, free

and clear, my home (125k +) and one 2006 vehicle (Z71 Tahoe)

just out of curiosity...10/22 Mk II or 22/45?

I've got the 22/45 with a bull barrel, and that sucker shoots better than I

can...

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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In a message dated 20-Feb-06 18:55:10 Central Standard Time,

bobby.brinson@... writes:

Wow, did a nerve get stepped on? Not the intention, promise. Oh, and I'm

glad that you have some personal protection but sorry you've had to pull it.

That's always a sticky situation to be in. Off the subject, I have the same

Ruger with the stainless bull barrel; very nice target gun. In fact, I have

a very nice collection of military and target weapons. I spent the weekend

with my family, so no, don't believe you had any MORE fun..and I own, free

and clear, my home (125k +) and one 2006 vehicle (Z71 Tahoe)

just out of curiosity...10/22 Mk II or 22/45?

I've got the 22/45 with a bull barrel, and that sucker shoots better than I

can...

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

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ok..... I just read this one.... 50 is not old....and I have a handgun..... I

live in Houston.......carry it whenever I travel alone, have had to pull it

twice.....women cannot be stranded for any reason on the side of the road

anymore without being at risk.....

And competition shooting is fun... I have a competition stainless steel Ruger

with a bull barrel, it's a 22 and I like the steel targets... lots of fun..so is

50....

Bet my weekend was more fun than yours.... and bet I had more money to

spend...that's the beauty of 50......

Bobby Brinson wrote:

Doc, first of all, you're old! Secondly, I am glad you told us about the gay

bar thing!! Thirdly and lastly, very professional and sincere statement.

Education is the key to all success. Sometimes that education hurts! I say

all of that with nothing but respect!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:00 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

I'll be serious now. There is a saying in medicine: " Good judgment comes

from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. " I am now 50-years-old

and lucky to be here. When I was young, I did all sorts of stupid things. I

used to drag race motorcycles. I have ridden a motorcycle at over 130 MPH on

Loop 820 in Fort Worth. When I was a paramedic and EMT, we only used gloves

to pick up bodies. I have had more blood on my hands than the curator of the

Coliseum in Rome. I once ran an MCI for a knife fight in the most notorious

gay bar in Fort Worth before we ever heard of AIDS. I was covered in blood

(I was on-duty--not in the bar). We used to volunteer for all sorts of

stupid experiments when I was a medical student. I took one of the first

Hepatitis B vaccines ever developed--made from the serum of Oklahoma

prisoners with antibodies to hepatitis B. I was a helicopter medic. We used

to rappel from helicopters for the fun of it. I was once in a Bell 206 that

flew under a highway bridge in Fort Worth. I have a bullet fragment in my

right forearm from entering an apartment complex (oh well, " projects " ) cause

I was macho and didn't want to wait for the cops. I used to collect hand

guns. In 1999 I was so ill I received Last Rites from the Catholic Church.

Fortunately, I survived and my outlook on life changed.

I learned through all this that life is precious and medicine is a calling

and a privilege as is EMS. While we all have to learn through our own

experiences, it never hurts to heed the experiences of others. Now, I am

very careful about wearing gloves. I am very cautious riding motorcycles and

will not ride one outside of a rural environment. I am cautious in bad

neighborhoods and on streets that look unsafe. I gave up hand guns and now

collect something I will be glad to pass on to my grandson-first editions of

Mark Twain's books. I am not for taking anybody's handguns away, I just

don't feel anybody but the cops and military need them. I just have seen too

many dead teenagers on my ED bed due to a gun shot from another teenager.

You can interpret the second amendment as you want, that is just how I see

it. I have seen more people die than most people would see in a millennium.

Human life is precious. We all must believe that or we would not put up with

the poor wages and other bullshit inherent in EMS.

The counteracting mechanical forces of a helicopter make for a wonderful

device. As Igor Sikorsky said, " If you're in trouble anywhere in the world,

an airplane can land and drop you flowers; a helicopter can land and save

your life. " Helicopters can save some lives. We need perhaps 10 medical

helicopters for all for Texas. There are 17+ in DFW and that is why you hear

stories like the one earlier today about the patient with the brain tumor.

As you mature, you measure risks against benefits for everything--not just

your family, but yourself. I was supposed to go to Cuba last year to do a

series for JEMS. Castro was cracking down on dissidents. I decided it safest

not to go. Ten years ago I would have been there and maybe never heard from

again.

The helicopter issue is a major problem in the US. I love helicopters. I

like looking at them. I love riding in them--I have even landed one once.

But, when you choose to take a mission, as occurred recently in Indiana, you

are making a decision for your crew (which I know the mantra, " Three to go,

one to stay. " ), but you are also making a decision for the patient who does

not know the risks and benefits you do. And if you tell me that all

helicopter EMS services practice safety first, I can direct you to over 70

NTSB reports that say they don't. Helicopter EMS has a macho culture--some

of which due to the military influence. Now that I am older I have found

myself giving eulogies for friends and co-workers. There is nothing more

sobering. The JEMS article I linked was my way of dealing with the loss of

life that contacted me. Each of us has a way of doing that. That was mine.

Make your own mistakes. Learn. Don't place anybody else at risk while you do

so. This comes from one with experience in doing so.

And don't forget that there is more to life than EMS and helicopters. As

Mark Twain said, " So throw off the bowline. Sail away from the safe harbor.

Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. " Just don't

endanger.

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ok..... I just read this one.... 50 is not old....and I have a handgun..... I

live in Houston.......carry it whenever I travel alone, have had to pull it

twice.....women cannot be stranded for any reason on the side of the road

anymore without being at risk.....

And competition shooting is fun... I have a competition stainless steel Ruger

with a bull barrel, it's a 22 and I like the steel targets... lots of fun..so is

50....

Bet my weekend was more fun than yours.... and bet I had more money to

spend...that's the beauty of 50......

Bobby Brinson wrote:

Doc, first of all, you're old! Secondly, I am glad you told us about the gay

bar thing!! Thirdly and lastly, very professional and sincere statement.

Education is the key to all success. Sometimes that education hurts! I say

all of that with nothing but respect!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:00 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

I'll be serious now. There is a saying in medicine: " Good judgment comes

from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. " I am now 50-years-old

and lucky to be here. When I was young, I did all sorts of stupid things. I

used to drag race motorcycles. I have ridden a motorcycle at over 130 MPH on

Loop 820 in Fort Worth. When I was a paramedic and EMT, we only used gloves

to pick up bodies. I have had more blood on my hands than the curator of the

Coliseum in Rome. I once ran an MCI for a knife fight in the most notorious

gay bar in Fort Worth before we ever heard of AIDS. I was covered in blood

(I was on-duty--not in the bar). We used to volunteer for all sorts of

stupid experiments when I was a medical student. I took one of the first

Hepatitis B vaccines ever developed--made from the serum of Oklahoma

prisoners with antibodies to hepatitis B. I was a helicopter medic. We used

to rappel from helicopters for the fun of it. I was once in a Bell 206 that

flew under a highway bridge in Fort Worth. I have a bullet fragment in my

right forearm from entering an apartment complex (oh well, " projects " ) cause

I was macho and didn't want to wait for the cops. I used to collect hand

guns. In 1999 I was so ill I received Last Rites from the Catholic Church.

Fortunately, I survived and my outlook on life changed.

I learned through all this that life is precious and medicine is a calling

and a privilege as is EMS. While we all have to learn through our own

experiences, it never hurts to heed the experiences of others. Now, I am

very careful about wearing gloves. I am very cautious riding motorcycles and

will not ride one outside of a rural environment. I am cautious in bad

neighborhoods and on streets that look unsafe. I gave up hand guns and now

collect something I will be glad to pass on to my grandson-first editions of

Mark Twain's books. I am not for taking anybody's handguns away, I just

don't feel anybody but the cops and military need them. I just have seen too

many dead teenagers on my ED bed due to a gun shot from another teenager.

You can interpret the second amendment as you want, that is just how I see

it. I have seen more people die than most people would see in a millennium.

Human life is precious. We all must believe that or we would not put up with

the poor wages and other bullshit inherent in EMS.

The counteracting mechanical forces of a helicopter make for a wonderful

device. As Igor Sikorsky said, " If you're in trouble anywhere in the world,

an airplane can land and drop you flowers; a helicopter can land and save

your life. " Helicopters can save some lives. We need perhaps 10 medical

helicopters for all for Texas. There are 17+ in DFW and that is why you hear

stories like the one earlier today about the patient with the brain tumor.

As you mature, you measure risks against benefits for everything--not just

your family, but yourself. I was supposed to go to Cuba last year to do a

series for JEMS. Castro was cracking down on dissidents. I decided it safest

not to go. Ten years ago I would have been there and maybe never heard from

again.

The helicopter issue is a major problem in the US. I love helicopters. I

like looking at them. I love riding in them--I have even landed one once.

But, when you choose to take a mission, as occurred recently in Indiana, you

are making a decision for your crew (which I know the mantra, " Three to go,

one to stay. " ), but you are also making a decision for the patient who does

not know the risks and benefits you do. And if you tell me that all

helicopter EMS services practice safety first, I can direct you to over 70

NTSB reports that say they don't. Helicopter EMS has a macho culture--some

of which due to the military influence. Now that I am older I have found

myself giving eulogies for friends and co-workers. There is nothing more

sobering. The JEMS article I linked was my way of dealing with the loss of

life that contacted me. Each of us has a way of doing that. That was mine.

Make your own mistakes. Learn. Don't place anybody else at risk while you do

so. This comes from one with experience in doing so.

And don't forget that there is more to life than EMS and helicopters. As

Mark Twain said, " So throw off the bowline. Sail away from the safe harbor.

Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. " Just don't

endanger.

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ok..... I just read this one.... 50 is not old....and I have a handgun..... I

live in Houston.......carry it whenever I travel alone, have had to pull it

twice.....women cannot be stranded for any reason on the side of the road

anymore without being at risk.....

And competition shooting is fun... I have a competition stainless steel Ruger

with a bull barrel, it's a 22 and I like the steel targets... lots of fun..so is

50....

Bet my weekend was more fun than yours.... and bet I had more money to

spend...that's the beauty of 50......

Bobby Brinson wrote:

Doc, first of all, you're old! Secondly, I am glad you told us about the gay

bar thing!! Thirdly and lastly, very professional and sincere statement.

Education is the key to all success. Sometimes that education hurts! I say

all of that with nothing but respect!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:00 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: Helicopter use

I'll be serious now. There is a saying in medicine: " Good judgment comes

from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. " I am now 50-years-old

and lucky to be here. When I was young, I did all sorts of stupid things. I

used to drag race motorcycles. I have ridden a motorcycle at over 130 MPH on

Loop 820 in Fort Worth. When I was a paramedic and EMT, we only used gloves

to pick up bodies. I have had more blood on my hands than the curator of the

Coliseum in Rome. I once ran an MCI for a knife fight in the most notorious

gay bar in Fort Worth before we ever heard of AIDS. I was covered in blood

(I was on-duty--not in the bar). We used to volunteer for all sorts of

stupid experiments when I was a medical student. I took one of the first

Hepatitis B vaccines ever developed--made from the serum of Oklahoma

prisoners with antibodies to hepatitis B. I was a helicopter medic. We used

to rappel from helicopters for the fun of it. I was once in a Bell 206 that

flew under a highway bridge in Fort Worth. I have a bullet fragment in my

right forearm from entering an apartment complex (oh well, " projects " ) cause

I was macho and didn't want to wait for the cops. I used to collect hand

guns. In 1999 I was so ill I received Last Rites from the Catholic Church.

Fortunately, I survived and my outlook on life changed.

I learned through all this that life is precious and medicine is a calling

and a privilege as is EMS. While we all have to learn through our own

experiences, it never hurts to heed the experiences of others. Now, I am

very careful about wearing gloves. I am very cautious riding motorcycles and

will not ride one outside of a rural environment. I am cautious in bad

neighborhoods and on streets that look unsafe. I gave up hand guns and now

collect something I will be glad to pass on to my grandson-first editions of

Mark Twain's books. I am not for taking anybody's handguns away, I just

don't feel anybody but the cops and military need them. I just have seen too

many dead teenagers on my ED bed due to a gun shot from another teenager.

You can interpret the second amendment as you want, that is just how I see

it. I have seen more people die than most people would see in a millennium.

Human life is precious. We all must believe that or we would not put up with

the poor wages and other bullshit inherent in EMS.

The counteracting mechanical forces of a helicopter make for a wonderful

device. As Igor Sikorsky said, " If you're in trouble anywhere in the world,

an airplane can land and drop you flowers; a helicopter can land and save

your life. " Helicopters can save some lives. We need perhaps 10 medical

helicopters for all for Texas. There are 17+ in DFW and that is why you hear

stories like the one earlier today about the patient with the brain tumor.

As you mature, you measure risks against benefits for everything--not just

your family, but yourself. I was supposed to go to Cuba last year to do a

series for JEMS. Castro was cracking down on dissidents. I decided it safest

not to go. Ten years ago I would have been there and maybe never heard from

again.

The helicopter issue is a major problem in the US. I love helicopters. I

like looking at them. I love riding in them--I have even landed one once.

But, when you choose to take a mission, as occurred recently in Indiana, you

are making a decision for your crew (which I know the mantra, " Three to go,

one to stay. " ), but you are also making a decision for the patient who does

not know the risks and benefits you do. And if you tell me that all

helicopter EMS services practice safety first, I can direct you to over 70

NTSB reports that say they don't. Helicopter EMS has a macho culture--some

of which due to the military influence. Now that I am older I have found

myself giving eulogies for friends and co-workers. There is nothing more

sobering. The JEMS article I linked was my way of dealing with the loss of

life that contacted me. Each of us has a way of doing that. That was mine.

Make your own mistakes. Learn. Don't place anybody else at risk while you do

so. This comes from one with experience in doing so.

And don't forget that there is more to life than EMS and helicopters. As

Mark Twain said, " So throw off the bowline. Sail away from the safe harbor.

Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. " Just don't

endanger.

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