RE: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

[Guest guest]

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html

Paramedics' fracas being investigated

Officials trying to determine what led to the arrest of a Bay Star

worker

By CINDY HORSWELL

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

A La Porte homemaker feels caught in the middle of an escalating

battle between two ambulance services that she says were both trying

to help her ailing 84-year-old father.

[Guest guest]

Hasn't someone gotten a pronouncement on this thread yet? <G>

-Wes

Re: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html

Paramedics' fracas being investigated

Officials trying to determine what led to the arrest of a Bay Star

worker

By CINDY HORSWELL

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

A La Porte homemaker feels caught in the middle of an escalating

battle between two ambulance services that she says were both trying

to help her ailing 84-year-old father.

[Guest guest]

And remember, she lives in the church near the restaurant, in the bell

tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog.

8^)

BEM

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hudson

Sent: Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 15:02

To:

Subject: Re: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

_____

[Guest guest]

My sister, who is named Alice and who is a deputy sheriff, cringes every time I

start singing that song. Not just my singing abilities, but WHAT I am singing.

(heh heh)

" Barry E. McClung, EMT-P " wrote: And remember, she

lives in the church near the restaurant, in the bell

tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog.

8^)

BEM

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hudson

Sent: Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 15:02

To:

Subject: Re: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

_____

[Guest guest]

My sister, who is named Alice and who is a deputy sheriff, cringes every time I

start singing that song. Not just my singing abilities, but WHAT I am singing.

(heh heh)

" Barry E. McClung, EMT-P " wrote: And remember, she

lives in the church near the restaurant, in the bell

tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog.

8^)

BEM

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hudson

Sent: Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 15:02

To:

Subject: Re: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

_____

[Guest guest]

My sister, who is named Alice and who is a deputy sheriff, cringes every time I

start singing that song. Not just my singing abilities, but WHAT I am singing.

(heh heh)

" Barry E. McClung, EMT-P " wrote: And remember, she

lives in the church near the restaurant, in the bell

tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog.

8^)

BEM

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Hudson

Sent: Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 15:02

To:

Subject: Re: Follow Up to LaPorte/BayStar Incident

Sounds like the messiest thing tho happen since the infamous incident

involving Officer Obie, a half-ton of garbage, and a Thanksgiving Dinner

that couldn't be beat.....

If ya know what I'm talkin' about your either a real hep cat, really

old - or both.

MH

_____

[Guest guest]

Everything would have been good if they would have

ticketed the company, not the medics. La Prte should

know that the medics really have no say so. We cannot

legally refuse a call. And since when do medics

assist PD with takedowns? I have always believed that

these issues are between the head honchos, not the

medics. I would of resisted too. PD could have

waited for a supervisor to arrive. Baystar should

file a complaint with TCLEOSE too. Maybe even the AG.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-P

--- bearamedic99 wrote:

> Sorry if this got posted already but if it did, I

> missed it.

>

>

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html

>

> Paramedics' fracas being investigated

> Officials trying to determine what led to the arrest

> of a Bay Star

> worker

> By CINDY HORSWELL

> Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

>

> A La Porte homemaker feels caught in the middle of

> an escalating

> battle between two ambulance services that she says

> were both trying

> to help her ailing 84-year-old father.

>

> The fight has prompted two investigations: one by

> the state into

> whether emergency services were delayed to the man

> and another into

> the circumstances that landed a paramedic from one

> of the services in

> jail.

>

> Now authorities are trying to sort out how two

> ambulance crews, who

> are usually the good guys riding to the rescue,

> became the ones in

> trouble.

>

> " I am so sorry this all happened. Both were only

> trying to help my

> father. I am shocked, " said Zwiercan, who

> telephoned for an

> ambulance on Dec. 28. Her father, King Hager, who

> was transported

> from Zwiercan's home on Eagle Fork Court to the

> hospital, is still

> undergoing treatment there for fluid in his lungs,

> dehydration and

> kidney problems.

>

> " We don't want to see EMS people fighting between

> each other, "

> County Assistant District Attorney Wood said

> of the squabble

> between La Porte's ambulance service and Bay Star, a

> private service

> based in Baytown. " We are reviewing the police

> reports and talking to

> witnesses to see where things went awry. "

>

> Wood is prosecutor for the resisting-arrest charge

> filed against Bay

> Star's paramedic, Jung, who spent one night

> in jail. Jung bit

> the finger of a La Porte paramedic who assisted in

> the arrest, said

> Ray Nolan, who heads La Porte's EMS.

>

> But in a written statement, Jung accuses the La

> Porte paramedic,

> Peugeot, and the arresting police officer of

> being the ones who

> were abusive. Jung, 21, who will be a pre-med

> student at the

> University of St. in the fall, stated the

> unidentified officer

> slammed his head into the curb three times after he

> was handcuffed.

>

>

> How it started

> Two Bay Star medics were also ticketed by La Porte

> for failing to

> comply with a new ordinance requiring them to have a

> permit to

> operate in the city.

>

> According to Zwiercan and Nolan, the squabble

> started after Zwiercan

> telephoned La Porte EMS for an ambulance after

> congestion in her

> father's chest worsened.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher told her that the city does

> not handle non-

> emergency transports and gave her a list of private

> ambulance

> services from which to chose.

>

> Zwiercan picked Bay Star, which she said promised to

> have an

> ambulance there in about 20 minutes.

>

> While Zwiercan said she had not considered her

> father's case an

> emergency, Bay Star upgraded the run to an

> " emergency " because the

> patient was having difficulty breathing. La Porte

> dispatch then gave

> Bay Star a " verbal OK " to " run hot " with sirens and

> lights.

>

> Following protocol, the La Porte dispatcher informed

> La Porte's

> paramedic supervisor, Peugeot, about Bay Star's

> emergency run.

>

> This news concerned Peugeot because he knew Bay Star

> had never

> applied for an operating permit as required by the

> city's new

> ordinance, Nolan said.

>

>

> New ordinance

> Under the new ordinance, private ambulances are

> ordered to handle

> only non-emergency transports and must transfer any

> emergency cases

> to La Porte to assure that the highest grade of

> equipment and trained

> personnel are used, Nolan said.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher, who had recently returned

> from a military

> tour in Iraq, was unaware that Bay Star was not in

> compliance when

> releasing the company's telephone number.

>

> In October, Bay Star had stated its intention to

> apply for a permit

> in two separate e-mails but did not do so until

> after this incident,

> Nolan said.

>

> " This would become the first time that citations

> were issued for

> violating this new ordinance, " Nolan said.

>

> The dispatcher then radioed Bay Star that Peugeot

> would be joining

> Bay Star personnel at the pickup site. But when

> asked if Peugeot was

> bringing an ambulance, the dispatcher replied,

> " No, " according to the

> 911 recording.

>

> While Peugeot could treat the patient when he

> arrived in his utility

> vehicle, his vehicle was not large enough to

> transport anyone, said

> , Bay Star's owner. So said his

> ambulance

> continued to rush to the site.

>

> " It was really just a set up, " said. " La Porte

> was more

> concerned with ticketing us than sending an

> ambulance out there. "

>

>

> Time in dispute

> Nolan, La Porte's emergency medical service chief,

> denies anyone was

> set up.

>

> However, he admits that Peugeot never radioed for a

> La Porte

> ambulance until after his utility vehicle had

> intercepted the Bay

> Star ambulance. Since Peugeot did not know the exact

> house number, he

> had to park his vehicle in the middle of the block

> where the patient

> lived and wait for Bay Star to arrive, Nolan said.

>

> " After Bay Star pulled up, (Peugeot) got the number.

> He then ordered

> Bay Star to stay there while he called for (a La

> Porte) ambulance and

> proceeded to the residence, " said Nolan, denying any

> delay in

> service. Only three minutes elapsed from when

> Peugeot was notified

> about the emergency run and when he reached the

> patient, Nolan said.

>

> However, Jung, who was in a separate vehicle, and

> two medics riding

> in the Bay Star ambulance, disagree. They insist at

> least seven

> minutes were lost after Peugeot flagged them down

> and barred them

> from going to the patient's aid about 10 houses down

> the street.

>

> While being told that they were in violation of the

> city

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[Guest guest]

Everything would have been good if they would have

ticketed the company, not the medics. La Prte should

know that the medics really have no say so. We cannot

legally refuse a call. And since when do medics

assist PD with takedowns? I have always believed that

these issues are between the head honchos, not the

medics. I would of resisted too. PD could have

waited for a supervisor to arrive. Baystar should

file a complaint with TCLEOSE too. Maybe even the AG.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-P

--- bearamedic99 wrote:

> Sorry if this got posted already but if it did, I

> missed it.

>

>

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html

>

> Paramedics' fracas being investigated

> Officials trying to determine what led to the arrest

> of a Bay Star

> worker

> By CINDY HORSWELL

> Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

>

> A La Porte homemaker feels caught in the middle of

> an escalating

> battle between two ambulance services that she says

> were both trying

> to help her ailing 84-year-old father.

>

> The fight has prompted two investigations: one by

> the state into

> whether emergency services were delayed to the man

> and another into

> the circumstances that landed a paramedic from one

> of the services in

> jail.

>

> Now authorities are trying to sort out how two

> ambulance crews, who

> are usually the good guys riding to the rescue,

> became the ones in

> trouble.

>

> " I am so sorry this all happened. Both were only

> trying to help my

> father. I am shocked, " said Zwiercan, who

> telephoned for an

> ambulance on Dec. 28. Her father, King Hager, who

> was transported

> from Zwiercan's home on Eagle Fork Court to the

> hospital, is still

> undergoing treatment there for fluid in his lungs,

> dehydration and

> kidney problems.

>

> " We don't want to see EMS people fighting between

> each other, "

> County Assistant District Attorney Wood said

> of the squabble

> between La Porte's ambulance service and Bay Star, a

> private service

> based in Baytown. " We are reviewing the police

> reports and talking to

> witnesses to see where things went awry. "

>

> Wood is prosecutor for the resisting-arrest charge

> filed against Bay

> Star's paramedic, Jung, who spent one night

> in jail. Jung bit

> the finger of a La Porte paramedic who assisted in

> the arrest, said

> Ray Nolan, who heads La Porte's EMS.

>

> But in a written statement, Jung accuses the La

> Porte paramedic,

> Peugeot, and the arresting police officer of

> being the ones who

> were abusive. Jung, 21, who will be a pre-med

> student at the

> University of St. in the fall, stated the

> unidentified officer

> slammed his head into the curb three times after he

> was handcuffed.

>

>

> How it started

> Two Bay Star medics were also ticketed by La Porte

> for failing to

> comply with a new ordinance requiring them to have a

> permit to

> operate in the city.

>

> According to Zwiercan and Nolan, the squabble

> started after Zwiercan

> telephoned La Porte EMS for an ambulance after

> congestion in her

> father's chest worsened.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher told her that the city does

> not handle non-

> emergency transports and gave her a list of private

> ambulance

> services from which to chose.

>

> Zwiercan picked Bay Star, which she said promised to

> have an

> ambulance there in about 20 minutes.

>

> While Zwiercan said she had not considered her

> father's case an

> emergency, Bay Star upgraded the run to an

> " emergency " because the

> patient was having difficulty breathing. La Porte

> dispatch then gave

> Bay Star a " verbal OK " to " run hot " with sirens and

> lights.

>

> Following protocol, the La Porte dispatcher informed

> La Porte's

> paramedic supervisor, Peugeot, about Bay Star's

> emergency run.

>

> This news concerned Peugeot because he knew Bay Star

> had never

> applied for an operating permit as required by the

> city's new

> ordinance, Nolan said.

>

>

> New ordinance

> Under the new ordinance, private ambulances are

> ordered to handle

> only non-emergency transports and must transfer any

> emergency cases

> to La Porte to assure that the highest grade of

> equipment and trained

> personnel are used, Nolan said.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher, who had recently returned

> from a military

> tour in Iraq, was unaware that Bay Star was not in

> compliance when

> releasing the company's telephone number.

>

> In October, Bay Star had stated its intention to

> apply for a permit

> in two separate e-mails but did not do so until

> after this incident,

> Nolan said.

>

> " This would become the first time that citations

> were issued for

> violating this new ordinance, " Nolan said.

>

> The dispatcher then radioed Bay Star that Peugeot

> would be joining

> Bay Star personnel at the pickup site. But when

> asked if Peugeot was

> bringing an ambulance, the dispatcher replied,

> " No, " according to the

> 911 recording.

>

> While Peugeot could treat the patient when he

> arrived in his utility

> vehicle, his vehicle was not large enough to

> transport anyone, said

> , Bay Star's owner. So said his

> ambulance

> continued to rush to the site.

>

> " It was really just a set up, " said. " La Porte

> was more

> concerned with ticketing us than sending an

> ambulance out there. "

>

>

> Time in dispute

> Nolan, La Porte's emergency medical service chief,

> denies anyone was

> set up.

>

> However, he admits that Peugeot never radioed for a

> La Porte

> ambulance until after his utility vehicle had

> intercepted the Bay

> Star ambulance. Since Peugeot did not know the exact

> house number, he

> had to park his vehicle in the middle of the block

> where the patient

> lived and wait for Bay Star to arrive, Nolan said.

>

> " After Bay Star pulled up, (Peugeot) got the number.

> He then ordered

> Bay Star to stay there while he called for (a La

> Porte) ambulance and

> proceeded to the residence, " said Nolan, denying any

> delay in

> service. Only three minutes elapsed from when

> Peugeot was notified

> about the emergency run and when he reached the

> patient, Nolan said.

>

> However, Jung, who was in a separate vehicle, and

> two medics riding

> in the Bay Star ambulance, disagree. They insist at

> least seven

> minutes were lost after Peugeot flagged them down

> and barred them

> from going to the patient's aid about 10 houses down

> the street.

>

> While being told that they were in violation of the

> city

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Everything would have been good if they would have

ticketed the company, not the medics. La Prte should

know that the medics really have no say so. We cannot

legally refuse a call. And since when do medics

assist PD with takedowns? I have always believed that

these issues are between the head honchos, not the

medics. I would of resisted too. PD could have

waited for a supervisor to arrive. Baystar should

file a complaint with TCLEOSE too. Maybe even the AG.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-P

--- bearamedic99 wrote:

> Sorry if this got posted already but if it did, I

> missed it.

>

>

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html

>

> Paramedics' fracas being investigated

> Officials trying to determine what led to the arrest

> of a Bay Star

> worker

> By CINDY HORSWELL

> Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

>

> A La Porte homemaker feels caught in the middle of

> an escalating

> battle between two ambulance services that she says

> were both trying

> to help her ailing 84-year-old father.

>

> The fight has prompted two investigations: one by

> the state into

> whether emergency services were delayed to the man

> and another into

> the circumstances that landed a paramedic from one

> of the services in

> jail.

>

> Now authorities are trying to sort out how two

> ambulance crews, who

> are usually the good guys riding to the rescue,

> became the ones in

> trouble.

>

> " I am so sorry this all happened. Both were only

> trying to help my

> father. I am shocked, " said Zwiercan, who

> telephoned for an

> ambulance on Dec. 28. Her father, King Hager, who

> was transported

> from Zwiercan's home on Eagle Fork Court to the

> hospital, is still

> undergoing treatment there for fluid in his lungs,

> dehydration and

> kidney problems.

>

> " We don't want to see EMS people fighting between

> each other, "

> County Assistant District Attorney Wood said

> of the squabble

> between La Porte's ambulance service and Bay Star, a

> private service

> based in Baytown. " We are reviewing the police

> reports and talking to

> witnesses to see where things went awry. "

>

> Wood is prosecutor for the resisting-arrest charge

> filed against Bay

> Star's paramedic, Jung, who spent one night

> in jail. Jung bit

> the finger of a La Porte paramedic who assisted in

> the arrest, said

> Ray Nolan, who heads La Porte's EMS.

>

> But in a written statement, Jung accuses the La

> Porte paramedic,

> Peugeot, and the arresting police officer of

> being the ones who

> were abusive. Jung, 21, who will be a pre-med

> student at the

> University of St. in the fall, stated the

> unidentified officer

> slammed his head into the curb three times after he

> was handcuffed.

>

>

> How it started

> Two Bay Star medics were also ticketed by La Porte

> for failing to

> comply with a new ordinance requiring them to have a

> permit to

> operate in the city.

>

> According to Zwiercan and Nolan, the squabble

> started after Zwiercan

> telephoned La Porte EMS for an ambulance after

> congestion in her

> father's chest worsened.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher told her that the city does

> not handle non-

> emergency transports and gave her a list of private

> ambulance

> services from which to chose.

>

> Zwiercan picked Bay Star, which she said promised to

> have an

> ambulance there in about 20 minutes.

>

> While Zwiercan said she had not considered her

> father's case an

> emergency, Bay Star upgraded the run to an

> " emergency " because the

> patient was having difficulty breathing. La Porte

> dispatch then gave

> Bay Star a " verbal OK " to " run hot " with sirens and

> lights.

>

> Following protocol, the La Porte dispatcher informed

> La Porte's

> paramedic supervisor, Peugeot, about Bay Star's

> emergency run.

>

> This news concerned Peugeot because he knew Bay Star

> had never

> applied for an operating permit as required by the

> city's new

> ordinance, Nolan said.

>

>

> New ordinance

> Under the new ordinance, private ambulances are

> ordered to handle

> only non-emergency transports and must transfer any

> emergency cases

> to La Porte to assure that the highest grade of

> equipment and trained

> personnel are used, Nolan said.

>

> The La Porte dispatcher, who had recently returned

> from a military

> tour in Iraq, was unaware that Bay Star was not in

> compliance when

> releasing the company's telephone number.

>

> In October, Bay Star had stated its intention to

> apply for a permit

> in two separate e-mails but did not do so until

> after this incident,

> Nolan said.

>

> " This would become the first time that citations

> were issued for

> violating this new ordinance, " Nolan said.

>

> The dispatcher then radioed Bay Star that Peugeot

> would be joining

> Bay Star personnel at the pickup site. But when

> asked if Peugeot was

> bringing an ambulance, the dispatcher replied,

> " No, " according to the

> 911 recording.

>

> While Peugeot could treat the patient when he

> arrived in his utility

> vehicle, his vehicle was not large enough to

> transport anyone, said

> , Bay Star's owner. So said his

> ambulance

> continued to rush to the site.

>

> " It was really just a set up, " said. " La Porte

> was more

> concerned with ticketing us than sending an

> ambulance out there. "

>

>

> Time in dispute

> Nolan, La Porte's emergency medical service chief,

> denies anyone was

> set up.

>

> However, he admits that Peugeot never radioed for a

> La Porte

> ambulance until after his utility vehicle had

> intercepted the Bay

> Star ambulance. Since Peugeot did not know the exact

> house number, he

> had to park his vehicle in the middle of the block

> where the patient

> lived and wait for Bay Star to arrive, Nolan said.

>

> " After Bay Star pulled up, (Peugeot) got the number.

> He then ordered

> Bay Star to stay there while he called for (a La

> Porte) ambulance and

> proceeded to the residence, " said Nolan, denying any

> delay in

> service. Only three minutes elapsed from when

> Peugeot was notified

> about the emergency run and when he reached the

> patient, Nolan said.

>

> However, Jung, who was in a separate vehicle, and

> two medics riding

> in the Bay Star ambulance, disagree. They insist at

> least seven

> minutes were lost after Peugeot flagged them down

> and barred them

> from going to the patient's aid about 10 houses down

> the street.

>

> While being told that they were in violation of the

> city

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