Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a protection against celiac. I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration) " protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts? Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I breastfeed my oldest son exclusively for 6 months and then he weans by age 3. He was diagnosed just resently with celiac at 11. My youngest nursed exclusively until he was 16 months (due to a swallowing disfunction, he couldn't eat solids without aspirating) and then weaned totally by 3. He is 8 now and his Promethus test came back negative last week. I think I read that breastfeeding helps to delay the onset on celiac. btw, are you treating your son for the yeast infection also? If not, your are probably passing the yeast back and forth between the two of you.kayce_compton wrote: Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have aquestion for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as aprotection against celiac.I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits ofbreastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, Ihave been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have beensuffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is notclearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks oftorture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not besuch a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I amaware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration)"protects" against celiac. Does anyone know anything about thesestudies and/or what "protects" means? I guess I always understoodceliac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'mnot sure how breastfeeding could "protect" someone against it - Ialways thought either you would test positive for celiac (even ifasymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this allalong. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for mysanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk thanhe already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for therecord, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts?Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thanks, . Yes, my lactation specialist prescribed both me and baby Nystatin, which we've been on for two weeks to no avail, and I've just been prescribed the stronger Difulcan (which I'm not really optimistic about, but I guess I'll try). Thanks again for your message. > > I breastfeed my oldest son exclusively for 6 months and then he weans by age 3. He was diagnosed just resently with celiac at 11. My youngest nursed exclusively until he was 16 months (due to a swallowing disfunction, he couldn't eat solids without aspirating) and then weaned totally by 3. He is 8 now and his Promethus test came back negative last week. > > I think I read that breastfeeding helps to delay the onset on celiac. > > btw, are you treating your son for the yeast infection also? If not, your are probably passing the yeast back and forth between the two of you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hi Kayce, I'm sorry to hear about the infection. I know how much that hurts. I don't have any advice in that area. I did nurse all three of my dc for more than 12 mos. each. From what I understand, breastfeeding will not keep a child from developing CD, but it may delay onset, and the symptoms will be less severe/different. My 5.5yo dd is a typical example. She was nursed exclusively until 6mo, then weaned at 21mo. We discovered she has CD last summer through a family screening and then biopsy. She was always a little constipated, and seemed to be not growing as much as I thought she should, was tired and lacked energy, had a small appetite,and was irritable. As far as we knew those were the only symptoms (though since then she's told me she had stomach aches). From what I've read on this list it could have been much worse. So far my other dc are negative for CD, and we are waiting for gene test results. HTH, Laurie > > Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a > question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a > protection against celiac. > > I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of > breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I > have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been > suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not > clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of > torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be > such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am > aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration) > " protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these > studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood > celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm > not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I > always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if > asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all > along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my > sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than > he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the > record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts? > > Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I don't believe BFing " prevents " CD. It is supposed to keep CD from developing while BFing which is the critical age of development and need for nutrition. Although that was not the case in my ds2, he was reacting to Gluten in my breastmilk at birth (arguments are out there that gluten is not in BM, but if dairy protiens are then so can gluten protiens and our Pedi GI agrees!!!), I may have had a leaky gut allowing more protiens into my blood stream thus affecting my BM -- I'll never know. I BF him until he quit at 14mo old, not knowing my BM was part of the constant problem. I would have changed my diet, I was already completely 100% dairy free, I would not have stopped nursing, I would have gone GF had I known. I truly hope you can get relief from the yeast to continue BFing. I'm glad you have the aid of a LC, they can be very helpful. A La Leche League meeting might also give you some advice, support and hope for a cure. Massaging the affected breasts while nursing or pumping can dramatically speed up the healing process. Nurse very often, every hour if you can. I got mastitis when my dd was 13 months old (which I thought was unusual), I didn't need antibiotics, I did home treatment and thankfully it worked. I felt ill, feverish, etc -- awful. I can't imagine w/ a newborn feeling that way. BFing does also help protect children against developing asthma and allergies. It's not a 100% science, but with the rise of asthma and allergies in children, it makes sense to do whatever you can to help give your child the best possible health no matter what their genetics are like. Rejoyce Winchester, VA > > Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a > question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a > protection against celiac. > > I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of > breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I > have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been > suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not > clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of > torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be > such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am > aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration) > " protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these > studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood > celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm > not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I > always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if > asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all > along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my > sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than > he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the > record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts? > > Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I nursed 2 of my children until they were 11 months then I nursed my third child until she was 20 months but then cut down to once a day or less until I was 20 weeks pregnant with child number 4. We are still nursing even though he is 22 months because what I read is that it is better to nurse a baby until you introduce gluten and the studies I read at the time said to add gluten at 2. That is our plan now and I am in a lot of ways ready to be done but also realize this is my last baby so it is kind of a bitter sweet thing. I thought we were done at Christmas time but then he started back again so now we are still going. I would strongly advise you to get in touch with a lactation consultant and get help with the nursing. I finally had to give my daughter Gingen Violet (I am not sure how to spell it for sure though) and that killed the yeast infection in both myself and baby in a day that it was comfortable again to nurse and took care of it in my baby. SPRING IS HERE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Congrats on the birth of your new baby! One thing that caught my eye is that antibiotics CAUSE yeast infections.They will not clear them up.You need another treatment.I am sure a lactation consultant can help. Remember that breast feeding is suppose to be a wonderful experience for both of you and if it's not, it's time to stop and make life better for both of you. I wish you all the happiness in the world.Feel better soon Doreen- who BTW is being treated for thrush from a short round of antibiotics. > > Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a > > > I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of > breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I > have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been > suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not > clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. > Any thoughts? > > Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thanks to all who responded regarding my question about breastfeeding and celiac. Thanks in particular to all those who shared their own breastfeeding experiences (positive and negative). I guess I should have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections. I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though, who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin (for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem. I've also been using a vinegar solution and other home remedies, etc. The Difulcan is supposed to be quite strong, so I basically don't know what I'll do if it doesn't clear it up. One person gave very good advice regarding pumping, and Gingen Violet (sp?) was also mentioned. Anyway, I know breastfeeding is supposed to be wonderful, pain-free, etc., which is why it is so frustrating when it is not (and indeed has not been at any time since the little guy's birth - bad latch, which I think caused the yeast infection to begin with). Anyway, I appreciate everyone's advice about CD and breastfeeding in general. Kayce in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hi Kayce, When I read your post I thought I was reliving my own resistant yeast experience. My dd and I struggled with thrush for well over 4 months and it was EXTREMELY painful. I tried everything (Nystatin, Gentian Violet, vinegar, Diflucan, and finally raw garlic). Has the yeast gotten into your ductal system? Do you feel sharp ductal pain when you nurse or just nipple pain? Once yeast gets into your ducts it's extremely hard to get rid. Make sure that you have the proper prescribed dosage of Diflucan before you start or it can just result in a more resistant form of yeast. I think it's 400mg the 1st day and 200mg for the next 13 days and possibly longer. I'm so sorry your going through this. Yeast SUCKS!! My daughter was diagnosed at age 2 after 18 months of Bfing. There is definitely a strong correlation between yeast imbalance and celiac. My dd was diagnosed with classic celiac symptoms and when I look back on it I wonder if she had it all along and was unable to balance her system out because I was eating so much gluten and triggering her (I'M not celiac - but I'm GF now). I don't know if that made any sense, but hopefully you get the gist of it. Your DS is so lucky to have such a caring mommy:) Christie - S. CA > Thanks to all who responded regarding my question about breastfeeding > and celiac. Thanks in particular to all those who shared their own > breastfeeding experiences (positive and negative). I guess I should > have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections. > I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though, > who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin > (for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem. I've also been > using a vinegar solution and other home remedies, etc. The Difulcan > is supposed to be quite strong, so I basically don't know what I'll do > if it doesn't clear it up. One person gave very good advice regarding > pumping, and Gingen Violet (sp?) was also mentioned. > > Anyway, I know breastfeeding is supposed to be wonderful, pain-free, > etc., which is why it is so frustrating when it is not (and indeed > has not been at any time since the little guy's birth - bad latch, > which I think caused the yeast infection to begin with). Anyway, I > appreciate everyone's advice about CD and breastfeeding in general. > > Kayce in VA > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 > d > have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections. > I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though, > who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin > (for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem. =========== In South AFrica the treatment of choice for this problem is Gentian Violet. You paint it on your nipples and sometimes in the child's mouth. I think my friends just paint it on their nipples. It makes your nipples purple but it works and is cheap, cheap, cheap. http://www.bflrc.com/newman/breastfeeding/gentviol.htm Shez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 >This is sort of off topic at this point, but I did want to thank both Christie and for your positive posts. I have been struggling with the breastfeeding decision for weeks now, not just because of the celiac question, but also because I so much wanted it to work (it didn't with my first, and I had to pump exclusively the whole time he took my milk). But, it has also been a total nightmare, to the point that I absolutely dread every feeding, and can't even hold DS properly because I am so sore. Although I know he is still getting the nutritional benefits of my milk, we certainly are not bonding through the experience. Yes, Christie, I feel stinging pain through my entire breast during nursing, and often shooting pain afterwards. My lactataion specialist said that this sounded like the yeast was in the ducts, which could be why the Nystatin did nothing. Oh joy. I have been prescribed Difulcan, which I stated yesterday (and the dosage does sound like what you wrote below). However, I have decided on my own to just give myself a break and pump for now. If I heal in a few days I will try to put him back on the breast and if not, well, pumping at least gets the milk in him for as long as I can stay sane enough to do it. After 6 weeks of nonstop pain, I'm just tired of being depressed by the whole experience. Anyway, thanks again to you both. Kayce in VA When I read your post I thought I was reliving my own resistant yeast > experience. My dd and I struggled with thrush for well over 4 months and it > was EXTREMELY painful. I tried everything (Nystatin, Gentian Violet, > vinegar, Diflucan, and finally raw garlic). Has the yeast gotten into your > ductal system? Do you feel sharp ductal pain when you nurse or just nipple > pain? Once yeast gets into your ducts it's extremely hard to get rid. Make > sure that you have the proper prescribed dosage of Diflucan before you start > or it can just result in a more resistant form of yeast. I think it's 400mg > the 1st day and 200mg for the next 13 days and possibly longer. > > I'm so sorry your going through this. Yeast SUCKS!! My daughter was > diagnosed at age 2 after 18 months of Bfing. There is definitely a strong > correlation between yeast imbalance and celiac. My dd was diagnosed with > classic celiac symptoms and when I look back on it I wonder if she had it > all along and was unable to balance her system out because I was eating so > much gluten and triggering her (I'M not celiac - but I'm GF now). I don't > know if that made any sense, but hopefully you get the gist of it. > > Your DS is so lucky to have such a caring mommy:) > > Christie - S. CA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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