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Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a

question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a

protection against celiac.

I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of

breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I

have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been

suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not

clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of

torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be

such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am

aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration)

" protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these

studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood

celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm

not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I

always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if

asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all

along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my

sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than

he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the

record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts?

Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA

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I breastfeed my oldest son exclusively for 6 months and then he weans by age 3. He was diagnosed just resently with celiac at 11. My youngest nursed exclusively until he was 16 months (due to a swallowing disfunction, he couldn't eat solids without aspirating) and then weaned totally by 3. He is 8 now and his Promethus test came back negative last week. I think I read that breastfeeding helps to delay the onset on celiac. btw, are you treating your son for the yeast infection also? If not, your are probably passing the yeast back and forth between the two of you.kayce_compton wrote: Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have aquestion for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as

aprotection against celiac.I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits ofbreastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, Ihave been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have beensuffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is notclearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks oftorture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not besuch a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I amaware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration)"protects" against celiac. Does anyone know anything about thesestudies and/or what "protects" means? I guess I always understoodceliac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'mnot sure how breastfeeding could "protect" someone against it - Ialways thought either you would test positive for celiac (even ifasymptomatic) or not. It

could be that I have misunderstood this allalong. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for mysanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk thanhe already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for therecord, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts?Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA

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Thanks, . Yes, my lactation specialist prescribed both me and

baby Nystatin, which we've been on for two weeks to no avail, and I've

just been prescribed the stronger Difulcan (which I'm not really

optimistic about, but I guess I'll try).

Thanks again for your message.

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> I breastfeed my oldest son exclusively for 6 months and then he

weans by age 3. He was diagnosed just resently with celiac at 11.

My youngest nursed exclusively until he was 16 months (due to a

swallowing disfunction, he couldn't eat solids without aspirating) and

then weaned totally by 3. He is 8 now and his Promethus test came

back negative last week.

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> I think I read that breastfeeding helps to delay the onset on celiac.

>

> btw, are you treating your son for the yeast infection also? If

not, your are probably passing the yeast back and forth between the

two of you.

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Hi Kayce,

I'm sorry to hear about the infection. I know how much that hurts. I

don't have any advice in that area. I did nurse all three of my dc

for more than 12 mos. each. From what I understand, breastfeeding

will not keep a child from developing CD, but it may delay onset, and

the symptoms will be less severe/different. My 5.5yo dd is a typical

example. She was nursed exclusively until 6mo, then weaned at 21mo.

We discovered she has CD last summer through a family screening and

then biopsy. She was always a little constipated, and seemed to be

not growing as much as I thought she should, was tired and lacked

energy, had a small appetite,and was irritable. As far as we knew

those were the only symptoms (though since then she's told me she had

stomach aches). From what I've read on this list it could have been

much worse. So far my other dc are negative for CD, and we are

waiting for gene test results.

HTH,

Laurie

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> Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a

> question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a

> protection against celiac.

>

> I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of

> breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I

> have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been

> suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not

> clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of

> torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be

> such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am

> aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration)

> " protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these

> studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood

> celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm

> not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I

> always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if

> asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all

> along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my

> sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than

> he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the

> record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA

>

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I don't believe BFing " prevents " CD. It is supposed to keep CD from

developing while BFing which is the critical age of development and

need for nutrition. Although that was not the case in my ds2, he was

reacting to Gluten in my breastmilk at birth (arguments are out there

that gluten is not in BM, but if dairy protiens are then so can gluten

protiens and our Pedi GI agrees!!!), I may have had a leaky gut

allowing more protiens into my blood stream thus affecting my BM --

I'll never know. I BF him until he quit at 14mo old, not knowing my

BM was part of the constant problem. I would have changed my diet, I

was already completely 100% dairy free, I would not have stopped

nursing, I would have gone GF had I known.

I truly hope you can get relief from the yeast to continue BFing. I'm

glad you have the aid of a LC, they can be very helpful. A La Leche

League meeting might also give you some advice, support and hope for a

cure.

Massaging the affected breasts while nursing or pumping can

dramatically speed up the healing process. Nurse very often, every

hour if you can. I got mastitis when my dd was 13 months old (which I

thought was unusual), I didn't need antibiotics, I did home treatment

and thankfully it worked. I felt ill, feverish, etc -- awful. I can't

imagine w/ a newborn feeling that way.

BFing does also help protect children against developing asthma and

allergies. It's not a 100% science, but with the rise of asthma and

allergies in children, it makes sense to do whatever you can to help

give your child the best possible health no matter what their genetics

are like.

Rejoyce

Winchester, VA

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> Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have a

> question for you regarding the benefits of breastfeeding as a

> protection against celiac.

>

> I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of

> breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I

> have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been

> suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not

> clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc. After weeks of

> torture, I really, really want to quit nursing. This would not be

> such a difficult decision if it were not for the studies that I am

> aware of that suggest that breastfeeding (for a longer duration)

> " protects " against celiac. Does anyone know anything about these

> studies and/or what " protects " means? I guess I always understood

> celiac to be more controlled by genetics than anything else, so I'm

> not sure how breastfeeding could " protect " someone against it - I

> always thought either you would test positive for celiac (even if

> asymptomatic) or not. It could be that I have misunderstood this all

> along. Anyway, I guess I really would like to quit nursing for my

> sanity's sake, but don't want to put my son at any greater risk than

> he already is (my older son, 2 years old, has celiac (and for the

> record, was breastfed exclusively for 3 months)). Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA

>

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I nursed 2 of my children until they were 11 months then I nursed my third child until she was 20 months but then cut down to once a day or less until I was 20 weeks pregnant with child number 4. We are still nursing even though he is 22 months because what I read is that it is better to nurse a baby until you introduce gluten and the studies I read at the time said to add gluten at 2. That is our plan now and I am in a lot of ways ready to be done but also realize this is my last baby so it is kind of a bitter sweet thing.

I thought we were done at Christmas time but then he started back again so now we are still going.

I would strongly advise you to get in touch with a lactation consultant and get help with the nursing. I finally had to give my daughter Gingen Violet (I am not sure how to spell it for sure though) and that killed the yeast infection in both myself and baby in a day that it was comfortable again to nurse and took care of it in my baby.

SPRING IS HERE!

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Congrats on the birth of your new baby!

One thing that caught my eye is that antibiotics CAUSE yeast

infections.They will not clear them up.You need another treatment.I am

sure a lactation consultant can help.

Remember that breast feeding is suppose to be a wonderful experience

for both of you and if it's not, it's time to stop and make life

better for both of you.

I wish you all the happiness in the world.Feel better soon

Doreen- who BTW is being treated for thrush from a short round of

antibiotics.

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> Hi all. I've been out of touch for awhile with a newborn - and have

a

>

>

> I don't really want to spark a debate about the benefits of

> breastfeeding - I know that it is the best thing for baby. However, I

> have been breastfeeding my son for almost 6 weeks now, and have been

> suffering through a very painful breast (yeast) infection that is not

> clearing up despite rounds of antibiotics, etc.

> Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks a bunch, Kayce in VA

>

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Thanks to all who responded regarding my question about breastfeeding

and celiac. Thanks in particular to all those who shared their own

breastfeeding experiences (positive and negative). I guess I should

have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections.

I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though,

who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin

(for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem. I've also been

using a vinegar solution and other home remedies, etc. The Difulcan

is supposed to be quite strong, so I basically don't know what I'll do

if it doesn't clear it up. One person gave very good advice regarding

pumping, and Gingen Violet (sp?) was also mentioned.

Anyway, I know breastfeeding is supposed to be wonderful, pain-free,

etc., which is why it is so frustrating when it is not (and indeed

has not been at any time since the little guy's birth - bad latch,

which I think caused the yeast infection to begin with). Anyway, I

appreciate everyone's advice about CD and breastfeeding in general.

Kayce in VA

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Hi Kayce,

When I read your post I thought I was reliving my own resistant yeast

experience. My dd and I struggled with thrush for well over 4 months and it

was EXTREMELY painful. I tried everything (Nystatin, Gentian Violet,

vinegar, Diflucan, and finally raw garlic). Has the yeast gotten into your

ductal system? Do you feel sharp ductal pain when you nurse or just nipple

pain? Once yeast gets into your ducts it's extremely hard to get rid. Make

sure that you have the proper prescribed dosage of Diflucan before you start

or it can just result in a more resistant form of yeast. I think it's 400mg

the 1st day and 200mg for the next 13 days and possibly longer.

I'm so sorry your going through this. Yeast SUCKS!! My daughter was

diagnosed at age 2 after 18 months of Bfing. There is definitely a strong

correlation between yeast imbalance and celiac. My dd was diagnosed with

classic celiac symptoms and when I look back on it I wonder if she had it

all along and was unable to balance her system out because I was eating so

much gluten and triggering her (I'M not celiac - but I'm GF now). I don't

know if that made any sense, but hopefully you get the gist of it.

Your DS is so lucky to have such a caring mommy:)

Christie - S. CA

> Thanks to all who responded regarding my question about breastfeeding

> and celiac. Thanks in particular to all those who shared their own

> breastfeeding experiences (positive and negative). I guess I should

> have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections.

> I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though,

> who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin

> (for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem. I've also been

> using a vinegar solution and other home remedies, etc. The Difulcan

> is supposed to be quite strong, so I basically don't know what I'll do

> if it doesn't clear it up. One person gave very good advice regarding

> pumping, and Gingen Violet (sp?) was also mentioned.

>

> Anyway, I know breastfeeding is supposed to be wonderful, pain-free,

> etc., which is why it is so frustrating when it is not (and indeed

> has not been at any time since the little guy's birth - bad latch,

> which I think caused the yeast infection to begin with). Anyway, I

> appreciate everyone's advice about CD and breastfeeding in general.

>

> Kayce in VA

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> have clarified - I know that antibiotics can cause yeast infections.

> I have been meeting with a lactation consultant for weeks now though,

> who has finally prescribed Difulcan after a two week dose of Nystatin

> (for both me and baby) failed to clear up the problem.

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In South AFrica the treatment of choice for this problem is Gentian

Violet. You paint it on your nipples and sometimes in the child's

mouth. I think my friends just paint it on their nipples. It makes

your nipples purple but it works and is cheap, cheap, cheap.

http://www.bflrc.com/newman/breastfeeding/gentviol.htm

Shez

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>This is sort of off topic at this point, but I did want to thank both

Christie and for your positive posts. I have been struggling

with the breastfeeding decision for weeks now, not just because of the

celiac question, but also because I so much wanted it to work (it

didn't with my first, and I had to pump exclusively the whole time he

took my milk). But, it has also been a total nightmare, to the point

that I absolutely dread every feeding, and can't even hold DS properly

because I am so sore. Although I know he is still getting the

nutritional benefits of my milk, we certainly are not bonding through

the experience. Yes, Christie, I feel stinging pain through my entire

breast during nursing, and often shooting pain afterwards. My

lactataion specialist said that this sounded like the yeast was in the

ducts, which could be why the Nystatin did nothing. Oh joy. I have

been prescribed Difulcan, which I stated yesterday (and the dosage

does sound like what you wrote below). However, I have decided on my

own to just give myself a break and pump for now. If I heal in a few

days I will try to put him back on the breast and if not, well,

pumping at least gets the milk in him for as long as I can stay sane

enough to do it. After 6 weeks of nonstop pain, I'm just tired of

being depressed by the whole experience.

Anyway, thanks again to you both.

Kayce in VA

When I read your post I thought I was reliving my own resistant yeast

> experience. My dd and I struggled with thrush for well over 4

months and it

> was EXTREMELY painful. I tried everything (Nystatin, Gentian Violet,

> vinegar, Diflucan, and finally raw garlic). Has the yeast gotten

into your

> ductal system? Do you feel sharp ductal pain when you nurse or just

nipple

> pain? Once yeast gets into your ducts it's extremely hard to get

rid. Make

> sure that you have the proper prescribed dosage of Diflucan before

you start

> or it can just result in a more resistant form of yeast. I think

it's 400mg

> the 1st day and 200mg for the next 13 days and possibly longer.

>

> I'm so sorry your going through this. Yeast SUCKS!! My daughter was

> diagnosed at age 2 after 18 months of Bfing. There is definitely a

strong

> correlation between yeast imbalance and celiac. My dd was diagnosed

with

> classic celiac symptoms and when I look back on it I wonder if she

had it

> all along and was unable to balance her system out because I was

eating so

> much gluten and triggering her (I'M not celiac - but I'm GF now). I

don't

> know if that made any sense, but hopefully you get the gist of it.

>

> Your DS is so lucky to have such a caring mommy:)

>

> Christie - S. CA

>

>

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