Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 " Bone cement " is not part of the articular surface of the artificial joint and so should not " wear " in the sense that the polypropylene cup is worn away by the metal femoral head of a THR joint. Concerns about cement in THRs are pretty well limited to the increased " clean up " involved when the old THR device is removed and the site is prepared for a new revision device. In the arena of resurfacing, the acetabular component is non-cemented and depends on a " press fit " for initial stabilization and eventual boney ingrowth for final strength and stability. The femoral component is cemented with varying amounts of space around it for the cement. This provides good initial fixation and seems to allow good survivability of the bone within. I have argued that a cementless femoral component would provide a better physiologic environment for this bone, but there have been technical problems that have limited the success of this type of device. For one thing, the intimate fit on the femoral head that is necessary for osteo-integration (boney ingrowth) seems to be difficult to achieve. I've included an excerpt from the JRI website with some discussion of this problem here: <<On the femoral side the cementless components almost without exception became fixed (whether TiAlloy/CP Ti mesh or the later beaded cobalt chrome) but the components often tilted during insertion creating gaps between the bone and the component in some areas which apparently added to the vulnerability to debris penetration.>> I happen to think that these problems will be overcome with better device designs and improved surgical techniques in the near future. In fact some surgeons are using cementless C2Ks in England with good success right now. Another extract from the Corin Group's discussion group: <<A few of our surgeons only ever use uncemented now in all their cases. One in the UK has done hundreds this way - every single one of which is doing well.>> This is very; intriguing to those of us who would prefer to avoid the cement issue altogether but at this time these devices are not available in the US where I am planning to have my surgery. In short, although I like the idea of a cementless femoral resurfacing component, I believe the outstanding results that are routinely achieved with the current cemented devices combined with my own level of discomfort and desire to proceed with the surgery ASAP make me comfortable with resurfacing techniques currently used. That said, I look forward to a time when a cementless option is available. MLTDMD Re: negatives for hip resurfacing? Has there been any info as to whether metal implants shed less wear particles than other materials? (eg., ceramic) Do all OSs use the same cement, which I assume also sheds wear particles? Also I wasn't quite clear on why you said that cement has been given a bad name (wrongly). If it sheds particles like all the other materials, isn't it just as bad as all the rest? Sharry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 hi micheal- thanks a ton for your repsponses and caveats. i think you are absolutely right in your approach to this board, strong opinions are not bad at all as long as they are backed up with clear thinking and offered for the benefit of our collective understanding.....as your comments most certainly are. sincerely, jeff DISCLAIMER..... read the schpeel at the bottom of micheal's last post! Re: Re: negatives for hip resurfacing? Jeff, a sidebar to the non-cemented femoral resurfacing head question.... You asked why various changes have beem made, specifically in the move towards cementing the head and changes in the " spherocity " of the acetabular component. Months ago, I came across some research that I've lost track of now. It described some early efforts with non-cemented resurfacing devices in England and reported that after suffering a 15% failure rate, the technique was abandoned. 15% is unnacceptable to the patients whose devices failed, but the other 85% may have results that are quite acceptable to them. It was my impression that many of the early resurfacing patients were actually in such poor condition that resurfacing would probably not be offered to them today. Their failure rates may have been much lower with better patient selection. At any rate, cementing the femoral head makes resurfacing surgery less technique sensitive and availabe to a broader patient population. The modifications to the acetabular cup have mostly been to reduce incomplete seating of the component. Since the cup is dependent on intimate contact with bone for " osteointegration " this is critical. Various fixation screws and fins are used with THR cups to ensure fixation and close approximation of implant to bone. Most manufacturers seem to have this worked out pretty well now and most surgeons seem to understand the importance of adhering to their crtieria. I'm intrigued by the cementless femoral cup and view it as a natural extension of the techology, requiring only more experience and research to fine tune present systems and designs for the most successful application. There are questions about the physiology of the bone whithin the femoral component that I really don't know about and that I suspect will be large issues for resurfacing. Bone is an active tissue that requires a good blood supply to remain healthy, much less to heal. Bone recieves it blood via internal (marrow) and external (periosteum) sources. If you shave off the external surface of the femoral head, you've just eliminated one of the sources of blood supply. If the vessels of the marrow are compromised by AVN, diabetes, athrosclerosis or other conditions, there will be less potential for osteointegrations (boney ingrowth) and a cemented head might be a better solution. I doubt many surgeons, much less insurance companies will volunteer to do the screening, testing and metabolic scans that might be neccessary to determine the potential for good bone physiology within the femoral head post surgically, so the criteria will probably be more subjective. Is the patient young, generally healthy with good circulation? Do they smoke? Are they diabetic? Have they had any problems with healing broken bones in the past? Is the radiologic comformation of the femoral head relatively normal? Is there AVN or cystic development? How motivated is the patient to have non-cemented over cemented? These and other screening questions will probably be used to establish whether non-cemented femoral resurfacing is appropriate for an individual patient. If no " red flags " pop up, then my personal opinion is that a non-cemented femoral resurfacing would be preferable over cemented. BUT - I don't know... and I don't think the OSs know, what other conditions and situations might make non-cemented devices fail. Does the removal of the periostium reduce the blood supply too much? Does the insertion of the " stem " dissrupt the marrow's blood supply too much? What goes on under the femoral cap where x-rays don't penetrate and any direct examination is very invasive? These are BIG questions. When faced with the very good results we are getting with cemented femoral caps in the very clear and encouraging present, do I want to be one of the first to " try out " non-cementation? Do you? It's a very difficult question and I'm hard pressed to answer it, as my surgery approaches. I'm keeping my " ear to the ground " here in this discussion group and wherever I can glean more information. What a great thing it is to be facing this now when the choices are between good things instead of between THR and the misery of waiting. MLTDMD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 Sharry, It's very difficult to define the amount of debris accumulated from metal to metal hip surgery. The following factors being variables depending on the patient: Weight Size of joint Activity Life expectancy etc. etc. One thing that can be said is that metal to metal THR has a history of 40+ years with no known problems. There is conjecture and surveys carried out but nothing found of a detrimental nature. Debris does accumulate to some level in the body but in 40 years no evidence has been recorded against metal on metal. Polyethylene did have a problem but the debris of the latest cross linked grade is said to overcome this. A lack of history means short term data is the only confirmation Ceramic also has a lack of history. Cement was thought to cause Osteolysis in the 70's and as a result cementless THR became more prominent. In time the occurrence of Osteolysis was even more predominant in the cementless THR's. The culprit was the polyethylene liners in the joint (A different grade is used today which is claimed doesn't have the problem). Cementation was cleared but mud sticks. As far as I know all cement used is the same' Rog negatives for hip resurfacing? Hi Jeff To reinforce what has recently posted I attach the following Canadian site: http://www.canorth.org/thumbsup.htm There are a number of articles but the following is an excerpt from 'A Lasting Bond' A Lasting Bond Tissue resorption at the interface of implant and bone - what clinicians call " peri-prosthetic osteolysis " - remains the single greatest obstacle to hip-implant longevity. When osteolysis continues unchecked, the bone around the implant becomes porous and brittle. Components can loosen and eventually break away from the surrounding bone. Usually the remaining bone of the femural shaft is first to fracture and give way, since it's subjected to the combined mechanical forces of weight-bearing and motion. At first, scientists attributed the symptoms to " cement disease " - a localized inflammatory reaction supposedly caused by the body's rejecting PMMA bone cement as a foreign substance. This dominant school of thought inspired so-called " cementless " implants, which rely on bone tissue's natural tendency to grow into porous surfaces to form a strong and durable bond. The problem appeared to be solved. Then in the 1980s, osteolysis caused several porous-coated stem-designs to fail sooner, more severely and more frequently than cemented stems. Cement disease had become " cementless disease. " The answer came to light, you might say, in 1992 when scientists used a special polarization microscope to examine activated white blood cells, called macrophages, that were collected from patients undergoing hip-revision surgery. Macrophages act as the immune system's gatekeepers, sounding the alert for a full-fledged inflammatory response when they encounter invaders. Macrophage means " big eater " in Greek, and the name is apt, since these immune-system cells gobble up foreign particles, protein fragments, bacterial by-products and so forth, which they seek in the bloodstream and lymphatic system. Under polarized light, the researchers noticed an unexplained colour shift in the macrophage's innards - somehow the cells had acquired reflectors that refracted light. The phenomenon could only be reproduced with other macrophages harvested near hip implants. More powerful electron microscopy subsequently revealed that the macrophages had consumed many, many, sub-micron particles (a micron equals a millionth of a metre) of polyethylene plastic - indigestible wear debris from the hip socket. Indeed, later experiments demonstrated that, if wear particles of any kind - cement, metal, ceramic, plastic - in the right size and in sufficient number are encountered by the immune system, it triggers a foreign-body inflammatory response that can accelerate bone resorption. Thus, the quest for the most elegant solution to osteolysis - a " no-wear " hip implant - continues. Rog P.S.There are plenty more sites that say the same sort of thing. Once cementation had been given a bad name (wrongly) mud sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Hi jeff, Couldn't help replying .......... it seems to me that you are really getting into a lot of worry here........... so I thought I would thow in a few more for you......... there are sadly several other points that can have long term implication which could well outweigh any decision made about the type of implant......... Like the surgeons skill, how his life is going right then, the infection rate of the hospital in which you get implanted, the state of your femur, your own bodies immune system, how your own health is right there and then and how you have treated your body up until then, what your family history is of health issues - i.e whether prone to osteoporosis etc, and last if not the most important, the sort of luck you as an individual have..........which is why I find the stats trotted out very suss. I personally know an owner operator truck driver with 2 THR;s of plastic nature who has gung ho operated his business for many a long year now accompanied by his bilateral replacements......... often working long hours and hauling/lifting etc. But this man is one of those people who has a certain degree of luck in his life........ you know the variety that always wins the local raffles etc. on a regular basis. BTW noone told him he had to worry about going to the dentist either or looking after this teeth...... so none of the problems of taking antibotics for dentist visits for him.......groan. Very typical of the Australian male attitude of 'she'll be right mate'.......... I am willing to bet he will be one of those stats of people doing well at 20 years......... whereas others trying to do a tiny bit of his life would have dislocated a dozen times by now.......... It is also interesting that all these prothesis issues seem of deadly importance preop, but once you have whatever prothesis you get, that one alone gets to be the best.........and life quickly finds many other facinating things as one regains the use of the body........... Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Sydney Australia 8/02 > > i just read that canadian article. > it seemed clear to me though, that polyethylene was the main culprit refered to in in this article for cases of osteolysis, cemented & non-cemented. i think it is unfortunate that it does not refer to any metal-on-metal statistics. perhaps this may show a difference in results, at least that is what the various hip resurfacing websites tell us. > > i would like to clarify my thinking/understanding on this, please tell me if it seems off : > > causes of osteolysis : > 1. poly-metal = non-absorbable wear debris = macrophages = osteoclasts = bone resorbtion = loosening = revision > 2. poly-ceramic = non-absorbable wear debris = macrophages = osteoclasts = bone resorbtion = loosening = revision > 3. ceramic-ceramic = non-absorbable wear debris = macrophages = osteoclasts = bone resorbtion = loosening = revision > 4. cr-cobalt metal-metal = absobable wear debris = no concentration of particles = no macrophages > > conclusion : lack of polyethylene = lack of osteolysis = much lower failure rates > > acetabular cups : > 1. any poly paticles present will comprimise any cup fixation > 2. cemented fixation = bad > 3. pressfit w/ porous surface & HA = good = standard practice > 4. pressfit with screws = good = used when necessary i.e. dysplasia cup > > conclusion : cup w/ no cement = current obvious choice > > articulation combinations : > 1. metal-poly = bad > 2. metal-metal thr w/ cement stem = pretty good > 3. metal-metal thr non-cement stem = very good > 4. metal-metal resurf = better......regardless of cement/non-cement head > 5. metal-metal resurf w/o cement head = still trying to find clear info to address this specific question > > general conclusions : > 1. poly = bad > 2. osteolysis is generally not a problem with metal-metal thr or resurf. > 3. large diameter metal cup - metal head is desirable for better ROM & lack of dislocation & natural feel. > 4. resurf is more desirable than thr if you expect to live for 20 more years due to eventual need for revision. > 5. cement fixation of femoral resurf head is common practice with great results for up to 10 years and probably more. > 6. non-cement fixation of femoral resurf head is less common practice w/o clear data for or against it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Jeff, You continue to ask some very good questions.... << i have also read that bone is an organic material that the body continually absorbs & regenerates, unlike glue and cement. and, that bone growth will bond to porous metal surfaces, but not to cement surfaces. true? not true? The bone / implant interface is studied very closely in dentistry. A true organic bond would histologically consist of hemidesmosomal units within living bone bonded to the substance of the implant. This does not occur. The best we get, even with up to six months of unloaded contact with the implant, is " intimate " boney ingrowth into surface irregularities of the implant surface. I have not seen any histology of living bone juxtaposed on PMMA. The idea of coating dental implants with plastic prior to implantation has never been seriously considered to my knowledge. Healthy and actively metabolizing bone must be reasonably tolerant of PMMA though. I presume the cement can be loaded immediately because of larger irregularities that mechanically lock the femoral cap in place. Later, boney ingrowth should increase retention, stability, and resistance to infiltration by osteolytic stimulating debris / bacteria / or whatever. For now, the initial fixation in non-cemented components is achieved by " press fitting " them into slightly under contoured boney cavities so they stick in place mechanically until bone can grow and stabilize them more securely. There are some mechanical problems with doing this using the resurfacing device's femoral component. It must fit intimately with the bone for boney ingrowth to occur. It must " seal " the margin between the cap and the neck of the femur so debris / clotted blood / serum / bacteria can't penetrate the spaces under the cap and wreak havoc with the delicate process of building bone. Until these problems can be addressed and reliably taken care of, cemented resurfacing caps will be the norm. Those nasty little macrophages you mentioned are products of the body's inflamatory response to irritating " junk " (listed in part above) present within it. They upset the normal physiology of bone which is constantly being removed by " osteoclasts " and renewed by " osteoblasts " by tilting this balance more toward inflammation and destruction of bone, hence the loosening and failure of implants, both dental and orthopeadic. I digress... as far as a true bond to either metal or PMMA goes, the best we can hope for is a connective tissue interface at a microscopic level and boney ingrowth into surface irregulatities at the macrosopic level. The width of this connective tissue interface can vary according to how happy the tissue in question is being close to the implant surface material, how much loading and movement is created by the patient's activities, as well as the health and resilience of the patient and their own tissue in question. I would give a nickel to see some actual histology of tissue/metal vs tissue/PMMA interfaces in patients of various ages and states of health and activity levels. <<if someone would invent some form of organic bone bondo that acts as cement in the short term and acts as bone food to encourage bone growth while it breaks down and get absorbed, i'd be psyched....any bio-chemists out there? AAHHHH.. the holy grail of implantology! The trouble is you want strength so you can go home and resume your life as soon as possible, but you want it to be soft and porous so blood vessels can infiltrate it and osteoclasts can produce new bone. So far we haven't found that magical substance yet. We have several types of grafting materials in dentistry that come close, but none that I know that you can walk on! I hope this helps... I certainly feel verbose in all the pontification I've been doing here. This is a fascinating subject to me. I hope I haven't become too much of a bore. MLTDMD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Rog Thanks for clearing up my questions Sharry negatives for hip resurfacing? Hi Jeff To reinforce what has recently posted I attach the following Canadian site: http://www.canorth.org/thumbsup.htm There are a number of articles but the following is an excerpt from 'A Lasting Bond' A Lasting Bond Tissue resorption at the interface of implant and bone - what clinicians call " peri-prosthetic osteolysis " - remains the single greatest obstacle to hip-implant longevity. When osteolysis continues unchecked, the bone around the implant becomes porous and brittle. Components can loosen and eventually break away from the surrounding bone. Usually the remaining bone of the femural shaft is first to fracture and give way, since it's subjected to the combined mechanical forces of weight-bearing and motion. At first, scientists attributed the symptoms to " cement disease " - a localized inflammatory reaction supposedly caused by the body's rejecting PMMA bone cement as a foreign substance. This dominant school of thought inspired so-called " cementless " implants, which rely on bone tissue's natural tendency to grow into porous surfaces to form a strong and durable bond. The problem appeared to be solved. Then in the 1980s, osteolysis caused several porous-coated stem-designs to fail sooner, more severely and more frequently than cemented stems. Cement disease had become " cementless disease. " The answer came to light, you might say, in 1992 when scientists used a special polarization microscope to examine activated white blood cells, called macrophages, that were collected from patients undergoing hip-revision surgery. Macrophages act as the immune system's gatekeepers, sounding the alert for a full-fledged inflammatory response when they encounter invaders. Macrophage means " big eater " in Greek, and the name is apt, since these immune-system cells gobble up foreign particles, protein fragments, bacterial by-products and so forth, which they seek in the bloodstream and lymphatic system. Under polarized light, the researchers noticed an unexplained colour shift in the macrophage's innards - somehow the cells had acquired reflectors that refracted light. The phenomenon could only be reproduced with other macrophages harvested near hip implants. More powerful electron microscopy subsequently revealed that the macrophages had consumed many, many, sub-micron particles (a micron equals a millionth of a metre) of polyethylene plastic - indigestible wear debris from the hip socket. Indeed, later experiments demonstrated that, if wear particles of any kind - cement, metal, ceramic, plastic - in the right size and in sufficient number are encountered by the immune system, it triggers a foreign-body inflammatory response that can accelerate bone resorption. Thus, the quest for the most elegant solution to osteolysis - a " no-wear " hip implant - continues. Rog P.S.There are plenty more sites that say the same sort of thing. Once cementation had been given a bad name (wrongly) mud sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Hi , Please delete me from this list, I'll be back! thanks , john Re: negatives for hip resurfacing? " It takes a lot of guts to fly in the face of a surgeon that you respect, but I urge you to come to your own decision " Hi, I just wanted to add my two cents worth here as far as deciding whether or not to listen to the advice of your OS. I am 32 so resurfacing offers real advantages in terms of saving bone and low dislocation risks etc. etc. For a certain time I was convinced that I would choose to have a BHR more or less as soon as possible, in other words as soon as I found the surgeon....but I didn't feel ready to go for THR and felt that it was BHR or nothing...just more waiting and hobbling. I consulted with five OS specialists, one in the UK, our famous friend in Belgium, and three local specialists, two of which are the most senior orthos in my country. BHR is possible in my case but nobody really wants to do it due to leg lenght and bio mechanics that cannot be restored with a resurface. I insisted, I went from one OS to another but although they all proposed different implants according to their own experience, none of them were convinced that BHR would be right for me. I have experienced hip surgery and I have some knowledge of what is available to me, whether it's poly, ceramic, MoM or whatever as I have been researching this for a year now. I am not qualified however to decide that I know better than these professionals. I am only qualified to know what I feel about what these specialists tell me. I am scheduled for a custom built large head MoM in October and I am happy with my decision to do it. I am sure that these surgeons are reluctant to give me a BHR because it could well last a lot longer than expected which would mean I would be stuck with a short leg and weak muscles (bio mechanics will never allow for 100%) indefinitely. Anyway, my advice is also to be prepared to fly in the face of a surgeon you respect, if you are not 100% convinced of what they are proposing. Sooner or later you will figure out what's best. Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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