Re: Mcs

[Guest guest]

Thank goodness some one said it, " high 5 " !

Mimi

Rick Lovegro wrote:

> I think the idea of a lawsuit is one of the silliest

> things I've ever heard.

>

> richard

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. It is because our society is so

quick to sue that we have all of the annoying CYA maneuvers from all these

companies.

We take a risk every time we choose to eat

out and put our health in the hands of someone who is truly not trained to deal

with the requirements.

In spite of that, I have cried today as I

dreaded telling my kids that one of the few options for eating with their friends

is no longer available. It is really upsetting. But, we’ll keep on

keeping on – fries or no fries. (After the tears!)

Becky

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Rick Lovegro

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006

9:53 AM

To: SillyYaks

Subject: Re: Re:

Mcs

I think the idea of a lawsuit

is one of the silliest

things I've ever heard.

richard

--- lucky3668@... wrote:

> Ahh, revenge! I bet a class action suit

would get

> their attention May

> not get us our fries but......

>

>

>

>

> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:29:02 -0000, cyebel

wrote

> > I keep wondering, as I am sitting in my

Law

> classes this morning,

> > whether there are any grounds to file

suit against

> Mc's based

> > on their reckless disregard for the

health of

> their consumers by

> > posting a GF list online, then quietly

listing a

> glutinous

> > ingredient later

> > (especially if it has always been

there!). While

> I wouldn't want to

> > put a chill on companies' willingness to

post a GF

> list, I think

> > that it would speak volumes to take the

World's

> biggest fast food

> > chain to task for this!

> >

> > C

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My last comment re: Mcs is that it occurs to me that if this is

the case, international travel will become slightly more of a PITA...

I especially had difficulty in France, because I don't speak french,

and a few times I was really relieved to come across a Mcs to

have a quick snack- fresh off the train and jet lagged. Heh heh.

Honestly, sometimes evil corporate chains are the happiest sight on

the horizon when you have weird dietary restrictions (no, not you

guys, I also try to eat vegetarian, so that cuts out a lot of things

as well.)

I really appreciated the interesting comment about peanut oil and

allergen glutens being removed in the processing- although if I had

anaphylactic reactions I still think I would avoid it! Thank goodness

I don't...

Oh Mcs, how you have let us down. But, maybe this will

encourage me to branch out and try other places- I notice In-N-Out

fries are actually vegetarian, so that will bother my conscience less

anyway.

Group hugs and lets not fight anymore! Now excuse me while i go

make tofu and broccoli for dinner. (seriously, am making our southern

fried tofu recipe, mmmm- NOT deep fried btw, just a little olive oil)

[Guest guest]

Becky,

I think this is my big fear with this new labeling law - that it will result in a massive CYA and will lead to a reduction of "gluten free" and other food allergy labeling. I hope this is not the case, but from a corporate liability standpoint I am not so sure. It seems to me that it would be easier/safer for corporation X to add "WHEAT" or "GLUTEN" to all its labels and lose out on any sales to food allergy sufferers (us) than it would be to comply with the law and be absolutely certain that items are GF and/or risk being sued for improper labeling. I am sure entire teams of business analysts are at work figuring out if it makes financial sense to retool production lines or setup separate GF facilities to capture the GF market, but I kinda doubt it makes sense in most cases. We are, after all, a niche market, and with the exception of the specialty companies we all know and love, I don't see many other companies (esp. fast food

restaurants) playing in that space at all. They seem to cater mostly to people who don't much care what they eat as long as it tastes good.

I remember reading earlier this week that Amy's stuff (I eat a LOT of Amy's stuff) now states that it is produced in a facility handling wheat. I also found another brand I really liked at Whole Foods (Green Guru) that plainly stated "gluten free" on the front of the box, but stated somewhere on the back (in fine print) that "this product may contain traces of wheat", etc.

--E (still mourning my lost fries, but not in a state of denial any longer).. RE: Re: Mcs

I agree. It is because our society is so quick to sue that we have all of the annoying CYA maneuvers from all these companies.

We take a risk every time we choose to eat out and put our health in the hands of someone who is truly not trained to deal with the requirements.

In spite of that, I have cried today as I dreaded telling my kids that one of the few options for eating with their friends is no longer available. It is really upsetting. But, we’ll keep on keeping on – fries or no fries. (After the tears!)

Becky

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Rick LovegroSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:53 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: Re: Mcs

I think the idea of a lawsuit is one of the silliestthings I've ever heard.richard--- lucky3668@... wrote:> Ahh, revenge! I bet a class action suit would get> their attention May > not get us our fries but......> > > > >

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:29:02 -0000, cyebel wrote> > I keep wondering, as I am sitting in my Law> classes this morning, > > whether there are any grounds to file suit against> Mc's based > > on their reckless disregard for the health of> their consumers by > > posting a GF list online, then quietly listing a> glutinous > > ingredient later > > (especially if it has always been there!). While> I wouldn't want to

> > put a chill on companies' willingness to post a GF> list, I think > > that it would speak volumes to take the World's> biggest fast food > > chain to task for this!> > > > C> > > >

[Guest guest]

If Mcd's now, according to new laws, accurately labels their products

for allergens, how are messing with your health, other than the fact

they serve high fat junk food?

Whether celiacs like it or not, McD's has the right to alter their

recipes any time they want. They don't owe us anything. I wish they

would and could guarantee us gluten-free fries, but I see no cause for

a class action suit. If you want healthy food, don't go to McD's in

the first place.

Maureen

p.s. also please remember that as of yet, " gluten-free " doesn't have a

legal meaning in this country. from what I've read it, until it does,

companies can use that phrase with impunity.

> I think there might be actual merit in a class-action suit here...it

> would be tricky, but it might be doable. Makes me wish it was 1.5

> years later so I'd be done Law School and be able to be sure!!

>

> C

>

[Guest guest]

I really don't want to start an argument here about legal aspects of this

issue however... I want to add a few comments here about the moral, ethical

and legal responsibilities of corporations.

I'm not a lawyer, I'm a stockbroker but I've seen many corporations sued

over ethical, moral and legal lapses. Many American's are disgusted with

the attitude many corporations have; that its only about the money. And

when a corporation appears to take that stance, even once, it turns a lot of

people off.

Again since I'm not a lawyer I'm certainly not going to comment here about

the merits of any lawsuit against Mcs, I simply don't know if their is

any case and I tend to agree with the people that advised against a lawsuit,

as a society, I feel we are way to quick to sue. Like the woman who sued

Mcs over their " hot " coffee. And I'm not sure it will help us get

more gluten free foods.

But this does seem a bit different in my eyes. Maureen you asked how

Mcs is messing with our health other then to serve heart " unfriendly "

foods. That is easy to answer, for years they told us that the french fries

were gluten free and now we find out that they are not and never were.

In my view Mcs has every right to serve heart " unfriendly " food, they

even have the right to serve food filled with gluten, or peanuts or whatever

they want. They certainly have the right to modify their recipies.

However, when we ask if the food has peanuts or gluten (or whatever...) in

it. They do have the moral, ethical, and legal requirement to say either:

" yes it has that in it " or " we don't know for sure. " I do not believe they

have the right to tell you that the offending item is NOT in their fries

when they KNOW it is.

[Guest guest]

Gluten free may not have a legal definition yet, but wheat certainly

does! They might not have restrictions on when something is GF, but

they should have disclosed that there is wheat. After all, they could

have avoided the whole issue, at least until the new labeling laws, by

not even putting the french fries on their GF list in the first place.

C

[Guest guest]

Well, don't give up international hope yet. Just remember, in the McD's in Finland and in Australia (?) they have GF BUNS for their sandwiches. And the international McD's always have different selections than we do here, so all hope is not lost....it's just abroad! ;-)

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of seamaiden399Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:58 PMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: Mcs

My last comment re: Mcs is that it occurs to me that if this is the case, international travel will become slightly more of a PITA... I especially had difficulty in France, because I don't speak french, and a few times I was really relieved to come across a Mcs to have a quick snack- fresh off the train and jet lagged. Heh heh. Honestly, sometimes evil corporate chains are the happiest sight on the horizon when you have weird dietary restrictions (no, not you guys, I also try to eat vegetarian, so that cuts out a lot of things as well.)I really appreciated the interesting comment about peanut oil and allergen glutens being removed in the processing- although if I had anaphylactic reactions I still think I would avoid it! Thank goodness I don't... Oh Mcs, how you have let us down. But, maybe this will encourage me to branch out and try other places- I notice In-N-Out fries are actually vegetarian, so that will bother my conscience less anyway. :DGroup hugs and lets not fight anymore! Now excuse me while i go make tofu and broccoli for dinner. (seriously, am making our southern fried tofu recipe, mmmm- NOT deep fried btw, just a little olive oil)

[Guest guest]

I heard today that McD’s announced

that their food has more trans-fats than previously announced, and they had to

publicly correct their error. Clearly, they are getting their ducks in a row to

prevent lawsuits from false labeling. They can put anything they want in their

food, the law says, so long as they are truthful about it.

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Rick Lovegro

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006

10:55 AM

To: SillyYaks

Subject: RE: Re:

Mcs

There's always been beef in

the fries (the oli). That

was a big stink a few years ago.

richard

--- " Calacci, Bridget "

wrote:

> And what about all the vegetarians in the

world who

> were eating these

> and now there is beef in their fries????

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The amount of trans fat in the food is much more likely to stop me

from going there than this fuss over wheat in the processing.

Maureen

>

> > And what about all the vegetarians in the world who

> > were eating these

> > and now there is beef in their fries????