Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 What's really scary is how little we truly know about the human body and its processes. That's why it's called PRACTICING medicine. As for hidden cancers, I think cancer may actually be a " natural " part of our bodies. I saw a piece one time years ago where it was discovered that no matter what the cause of death was, if they looked hard enough, they would find cancer in every cadaver they examined. The examinations they did were in everything from stillborns to people who had died of " old age " . There were accident victims, heart attack victims, you name it. They ALL had cancer. I don't know if any further studies were done about this, or if it was just blown off. - Jackie >From: Cbcarolyn@... >Reply-To: urticariaegroups >To: urticariaegroups >Subject: Re: a Theory >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:43:09 EDT > >Jackie,That is scary. I had cancer in 1998 they said they " got it all " . >What >if it is the cancer in another part of my body? Or even it others bodies. I >am >going to a Derm. / Plastic Sur. He doesn't think it could be cancer. How >can >we know? Carolyn ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie, I have wondered the same thing. I test positive for exposure and have in my system all of the Herpes viruses even though I have never had a symptom of herpes, ever. I also have EBV (Epstein Barr Virus). Prior to the hiving, I was seeing an environmental allergist (Dr. that retired and did research) on viruses, environment and the immune system. He would give me antigen therapy with low-dose diluted flu serum. It always seemed to keep me stable. Theory--he stated that I suffered from " chronic viral syndrome " because of the herpes and EBV. By giving the antigen, it would negate the effects of the virus in the system. Also, whenever I got really sick (when I would feel better and go off therapy for 6 mos) then he would give me a shot of heparin to thin the blood. Viruses can live long when your blood is thinned. It also negates the effect of auto-immune process. I am giving traditional medicine a try and have been for the last 2 years. By fall, I am making a decision to go back to these non-traditional therapies; go see Dr. Ray in Texas--whom is an associate of this doctor and believed in these non-traditional theories back in the eighties or keep trying to knock the wall down on traditional medicine. If anyone is interested, Dr. Ray has published a few books (off hand I don't know the titles, but they are pretty technical ---good read for Myra---and has helped alot of people with CFIDS, lupus, EBV, chemical allergies, etc. I don't know about the hiving, but I am sure he has seen it before. SJJ in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie, I have wondered the same thing. I test positive for exposure and have in my system all of the Herpes viruses even though I have never had a symptom of herpes, ever. I also have EBV (Epstein Barr Virus). Prior to the hiving, I was seeing an environmental allergist (Dr. that retired and did research) on viruses, environment and the immune system. He would give me antigen therapy with low-dose diluted flu serum. It always seemed to keep me stable. Theory--he stated that I suffered from " chronic viral syndrome " because of the herpes and EBV. By giving the antigen, it would negate the effects of the virus in the system. Also, whenever I got really sick (when I would feel better and go off therapy for 6 mos) then he would give me a shot of heparin to thin the blood. Viruses can live long when your blood is thinned. It also negates the effect of auto-immune process. I am giving traditional medicine a try and have been for the last 2 years. By fall, I am making a decision to go back to these non-traditional therapies; go see Dr. Ray in Texas--whom is an associate of this doctor and believed in these non-traditional theories back in the eighties or keep trying to knock the wall down on traditional medicine. If anyone is interested, Dr. Ray has published a few books (off hand I don't know the titles, but they are pretty technical ---good read for Myra---and has helped alot of people with CFIDS, lupus, EBV, chemical allergies, etc. I don't know about the hiving, but I am sure he has seen it before. SJJ in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie,That is scary. I had cancer in 1998 they said they " got it all " . What if it is the cancer in another part of my body? Or even it others bodies. I am going to a Derm. / Plastic Sur. He doesn't think it could be cancer. How can we know? Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie, This is what I have been thinking lately too. Next doc visit, I am going run this by him. There must be something to it. If I take antifungals I stop hiving for a short while. So, at the very least I think I must be allergic to Candida, or have one heck of a fungal infection somewhere. Just a lay opinion but... a Theory > I find it very interesting how many of us seem to fight infections and > illnesses so well while we're hiving. I did some heavy thinking last night > about the possible hidden infection relationship to CU. I came up with a > theory I'd like to share with everyone. > > What if there is an undetected infection in the body? It builds up and up, > until the body screams out " I can't take this any more!! " and starts some > heavy duty fighting. It goes into overdrive to fight the infection, and at > the same time this produces CU. Finally the body beats the infection down to > the point that it can " relax " and the CU goes into remission. But the > infection isn't completely gone.... it builds up and builds up and pretty > soon the body is feeling overwhelmed again, and kicks back into high gear. > And here come the hives again... > > Is this possible? Can such a vicious circle be happening? Any thoughts? - > Jackie > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria (hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide cyber-family. > > We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle with Chronic Urticria. > > Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post with a prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish to read such postings. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie, This is what I have been thinking lately too. Next doc visit, I am going run this by him. There must be something to it. If I take antifungals I stop hiving for a short while. So, at the very least I think I must be allergic to Candida, or have one heck of a fungal infection somewhere. Just a lay opinion but... a Theory > I find it very interesting how many of us seem to fight infections and > illnesses so well while we're hiving. I did some heavy thinking last night > about the possible hidden infection relationship to CU. I came up with a > theory I'd like to share with everyone. > > What if there is an undetected infection in the body? It builds up and up, > until the body screams out " I can't take this any more!! " and starts some > heavy duty fighting. It goes into overdrive to fight the infection, and at > the same time this produces CU. Finally the body beats the infection down to > the point that it can " relax " and the CU goes into remission. But the > infection isn't completely gone.... it builds up and builds up and pretty > soon the body is feeling overwhelmed again, and kicks back into high gear. > And here come the hives again... > > Is this possible? Can such a vicious circle be happening? Any thoughts? - > Jackie > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria (hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide cyber-family. > > We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle with Chronic Urticria. > > Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post with a prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish to read such postings. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Interesting. I have CFS and lately there is alot of research being done on therapies that thin the blood - done by HEMEX labs in AZ I think. > Also, whenever I got really sick (when I would feel better and go off therapy > for 6 mos) then he would give me a shot of heparin to thin the blood. > Viruses can live long when your blood is thinned. It also negates the effect > of auto-immune process. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Jackie: I think that sounds reasonable, (whether our doctors believe it or not! Ha Ha!) Especially when I had my hives with the positive ANA titer. The lab made a notation that even though my ANA was positive, it was not high enough compared to people with active autoimmune disorders. It said the lower ANA value is sometimes associated with recent infection, inflammatory state, or reaction to a medication. The fact that my outbreak of urticaria occurred about a week after starting a new job made me wonder if I got sick at work. (They have had trouble with TB in the deparment, but I tested negative so far). Perhaps being nervous just lowered my resistance and being stressed just made me vulnerable to something.... Of course, the doctor says it's genetics, but I still think, genetic or not, it was influenced by some outside source, my own state of " nervousness " , etc. My dermatologist believes that hives can be aggravated by stress--not caused by it---just aggravated. But yes, I do think it's possible to have acquired a subtle illness along the way, and our bodies react to the invaders in its own peculiar way. I also read somewhere that sometimes the body encounters a substance that is so close to being normal, but different in some way, the body can't tell whether to attack it or let it be, and when it attacks erronously, that's the autoimmune disease part (the best I can explain it). ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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