(No subject)

[Guest guest]

wendy, i'm not trying to be rude, but i have a few questions and a few

comments...

first of all, i'm curious about your insistence that katie get ABA. is this

something that you KNOW works for her? is it possible that they think she's not

appropriate for it because she's too high functioning? do you think that if she

doesn't get it now, she can never get it?

second of all, i was wondering how much OT you were expecting to get. 1hr indiv

and 1hr grp is not so bad. in fact, it's pretty good to start with. if they see

that she needs more after having her for awhile, they can always add more.

third of all, the district ALWAYS has their own set of goals in mind before the

meeting. the idea is for them to list off what they think is appropriate for

katie and, if you agree to it, they will put it in the IEP. also, sometimes the

goals don't match what you would have thought they would because they don't

always teach things in a straight on manner.

fourth of all, while i understand your complaint of them only wanting katie to

make " meaningful progress " , that is truly all they're required to do. they are

not suppoed to be curing autism, they are supposed to be providing children with

the education they need to function in school and that's it. they are not

responsible for making sure katie can do EVERYTHING she can possibly do.

last of all, katie has a LONG school career ahead of her. she has plenty of

years to try different approaches. she will change and grow and sometimes she

will need certain services and sometimes she will need others. this meeting is

not the be all and all of everything. while i'm not suggesting you agree to what

they want if you're not comfortable with it, i do suggest at least trying some

of what they have to offer her. if you were to agree to today's IEP and a little

time went by and you, or even they, could see things obviously weren't working,

you can ALWAYS change plans and try something different.

i hope you're not pissed at me because i really am trying to be helpful. some of

these things you learn with time so i can understand why you'd be upset, but

just try and relax so you don't end up burned out before you even get started

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> i was wondering how much OT you were expecting to get. 1hr indiv and 1hr grp

is not so bad <

i see i misread that a little, sorry i didn't see the ST part, but i still think

that it's not a bad start and that it can always be changed later on

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Well, I have worked in County, and they had to get trucks from &

county to cover..... Fannin County has had to send trucks from

Western Fannin County to deep south eastern Fannin County to my former city to

cover.

That is exactly what it means. They have had to send trucks from Mineola to

Emory, from Delta County to Fannin County, and vice versa to " post " and cover

for calls. This is in addition from to County.

I did not " tank " ETMC as you call it- i just stated the fact. In fact, in 2000

I was on a call from where EMS was dispatched from Tyler to County-

because I had to lead the EMS unit to the residence due to them being unfamiliar

with the streets & lack of signage.

There has been times that EMS would send the County truck to go to

Galveston on a prison transfer and then have to send a truck from Tyler.

Jay

(no subject)

I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their ability in

your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to maintain the

truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola county

<sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result? Where is

the evidence and what are the implications?

Bob Kellow

[Guest guest]

Jay,

Has anyone been harmed as a result of your observations?

Bob Kellow

" J. Hoskins " wrote:

> Well, I have worked in County, and they had to get trucks

> from & county to cover..... Fannin County has had

> to send trucks from Western Fannin County to deep south eastern Fannin

> County to my former city to cover.

>

> That is exactly what it means. They have had to send trucks from

> Mineola to Emory, from Delta County to Fannin County, and vice versa

> to " post " and cover for calls. This is in addition from to

> County.

>

> I did not " tank " ETMC as you call it- i just stated the fact. In

> fact, in 2000 I was on a call from where EMS was dispatched from Tyler

> to County- because I had to lead the EMS unit to the

> residence due to them being unfamiliar with the streets & lack of

> signage.

>

> There has been times that EMS would send the County truck to

> go to Galveston on a prison transfer and then have to send a truck

> from Tyler.

>

> Jay

>

>

>

>

> (no subject)

>

>

> I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their ability

> in

> your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to maintain

> the

> truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola

> county

> <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result? Where

> is

> the evidence and what are the implications?

>

> Bob Kellow

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob, do you have any proof that there has or hasn't been anyone harmed?

Jay

(no subject)

>

>

> I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their ability

> in

> your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to maintain

> the

> truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola

> county

> <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result? Where

> is

> the evidence and what are the implications?

>

> Bob Kellow

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I'm going to bed will reply after my next shift.

N. Frazier LP

(no subject)

>

>

> I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their ability in

> your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to maintain the

> truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola county

> <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result? Where is

> the evidence and what are the implications?

>

> Bob Kellow

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't make the accusations and insinuations - you did. Are you

willing to be deposed? I'm sure that there are many plantiff's attorneys

out there that would be willing to listen to your " qualified " opinions.

The problem is that we've got a lot of people out there that are

" busting their hump " to " get the job done " - regardless of

organizational affiliation. It's not fair (or defensible) to advance

blanket indictments. when there's no supporting evidence of wrongdong.

Bob kellow

" J. Hoskins " wrote:

> Bob, do you have any proof that there has or hasn't been anyone

> harmed?

>

> Jay

>

> (no subject)

> >

> >

> > I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their

> ability

> > in

> > your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to

> maintain

> > the

> > truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola

>

> > county

> > <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result?

> Where

> > is

> > the evidence and what are the implications?

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have never made a the accusation that a patient was harmed.....I merely stated

that there has been issues of trucks having to cover other areas..... A former

ETMC paramedic has replied stating " I have been the one that has had to go cover

a area and been the one that would send a unit to cover a area, because there

was not a unit to cover that area. "

My question remains to you, do you have any proof as to otherwise in either

catagory?

Due to the fact that I have searched the Texas EMS certification query, and can

not find you listed as an EMS certificant, under , Bob, or any variations

on your name, can you please share with us your level of certification, if

certified?

Yours Truly,

J. Hoskins

EMT

EMS Instructor

(no subject)

> >

> >

> > I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their

> ability

> > in

> > your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to

> maintain

> > the

> > truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than Panola

>

> > county

> > <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a result?

> Where

> > is

> > the evidence and what are the implications?

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jay,

The burden of proof is not upon me. I didn't make the statements or

suggest that there was some wrongdoing on the part of two Texas EMS

providers.

As far as I am personally concerned - you're right - I'm not certified

or licensed. However, I can assure you that the last thing you want to

do is compare credentials in this forum.

Bob Kellow

" J. Hoskins " wrote:

> I have never made a the accusation that a patient was harmed.....I

> merely stated that there has been issues of trucks having to cover

> other areas..... A former ETMC paramedic has replied stating " I have

> been the one that has had to go cover a area and been the one that

> would send a unit to cover a area, because there was not a unit to

> cover that area. "

>

> My question remains to you, do you have any proof as to otherwise in

> either catagory?

>

> Due to the fact that I have searched the Texas EMS certification

> query, and can not find you listed as an EMS certificant, under

> , Bob, or any variations on your name, can you please share

> with us your level of certification, if certified?

>

> Yours Truly,

> J. Hoskins

> EMT

> EMS Instructor

>

>

>

> (no subject)

> > >

> > >

> > > I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their

>

> > ability

> > > in

> > > your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to

> > maintain

> > > the

> > > truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than

> Panola

> >

> > > county

> > > <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a

> result?

> > Where

> > > is

> > > the evidence and what are the implications?

> > >

> > > Bob Kellow

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bob, your suggestions that there are wrongdoing are jumping the gun. I have

never accused anyone of " wrongdoing " on the part of two Texas EMS providers.

I have:

1) Stated that AMR has failed in the past to maintain their contractual

obligations with the operation of MedStar, and that they have lost contracts

from major entities- including in the city in which they have their

headquarters. I provided the news articles from that issue.

2) I have stated that ETMC EMS has had to pull trucks from other areas to cover

their contracted area, IE Tyler to County, etc....

3) I have NEVER STATED in this discussion that ETMC EMS or AMR has failed to

maintain the standards of care, as outlined in Chapter 773, Texas Health &

Safety Code, nor Texas Administrative Code Chapter 157, in regards to injuries

or death to their patients. This is the only thing that could constitute wrong

doing under Texas Law.

Therefore, the burden of proof is not on me. I have met the burden of proof for

the statements I stated as listed above, and stand behind them. I have supplied

the documentation and supporting positions in regards to AMR & ETMC, and have

provided examples of each thing I mentioned- ETMC pulling trucks to other

areas. As well as AMR not meeting their contract requirements in Fort Worth, as

well as them loosing contracts in other areas. The case with AMR was well

documented in both the Ambulance Authority records & the Fort Worth Star

Telegram.

I have personal, first hand knowledge of ETMC EMS sending trucks from other

areas to emergency calls- as I have responded to the same calls. This is in

addition to hearing ETMC dispatching trucks to other areas on their radio

frequencies. One of ETMC's former paramedics himself stated that this has

occurred. Bottom line. I have never had Palestine or ville EMS to

respond to any call for service, nor Paris-Lamar County, nor Hunt County

Memorial Hospital District into the ETMC EMS service area when EMS was needed.

AT NO TIME in this discussion have I said that patient care was compromised,

resulting in the death or serious bodily injury to any patient.

Your adding such comments, or suggesting that I have said that such things is

are egregious, flagrant, and are a bold disregard for the truth. I do not know

if you are misinterpreting my comments or what the situation is, but I would

like to formally ask you to cease such actions. Your attributing comments to

me, first stating that I had said the AMR statement stating that I had said that

in regards to ETMC was in fact not correct. Then you tried to insinuate that I

had talked about patient injuries/deaths, which is also highly inaccurate.

J. Hoskins

(no subject)

> > >

> > >

> > > I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on their

>

> > ability

> > > in

> > > your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able to

> > maintain

> > > the

> > > truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other than

> Panola

> >

> > > county

> > > <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a

> result?

> > Where

> > > is

> > > the evidence and what are the implications?

> > >

> > > Bob Kellow

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jay,

I didn't insinuate anything. I was attempting to determine if you knew

of anyone who had been harmed as a result of your observations. Nothing

more - nothing less. Absent any harm to the public, or verifiable

contract violations, I don't understand the basis of your posts.

Bob

" J. Hoskins " wrote:

> Bob, your suggestions that there are wrongdoing are jumping the gun.

> I have never accused anyone of " wrongdoing " on the part of two Texas

> EMS providers.

>

> I have:

>

> 1) Stated that AMR has failed in the past to maintain their

> contractual obligations with the operation of MedStar, and that they

> have lost contracts from major entities- including in the city in

> which they have their headquarters. I provided the news articles from

> that issue.

>

> 2) I have stated that ETMC EMS has had to pull trucks from other areas

> to cover their contracted area, IE Tyler to County, etc....

>

> 3) I have NEVER STATED in this discussion that ETMC EMS or AMR has

> failed to maintain the standards of care, as outlined in Chapter 773,

> Texas Health & Safety Code, nor Texas Administrative Code Chapter 157,

> in regards to injuries or death to their patients. This is the only

> thing that could constitute wrong doing under Texas Law.

>

> Therefore, the burden of proof is not on me. I have met the burden of

> proof for the statements I stated as listed above, and stand behind

> them. I have supplied the documentation and supporting positions in

> regards to AMR & ETMC, and have provided examples of each thing I

> mentioned- ETMC pulling trucks to other areas. As well as AMR not

> meeting their contract requirements in Fort Worth, as well as them

> loosing contracts in other areas. The case with AMR was well

> documented in both the Ambulance Authority records & the Fort Worth

> Star Telegram.

>

> I have personal, first hand knowledge of ETMC EMS sending trucks from

> other areas to emergency calls- as I have responded to the same

> calls. This is in addition to hearing ETMC dispatching trucks to

> other areas on their radio frequencies. One of ETMC's former

> paramedics himself stated that this has occurred. Bottom line. I

> have never had Palestine or ville EMS to respond to any call

> for service, nor Paris-Lamar County, nor Hunt County Memorial Hospital

> District into the ETMC EMS service area when EMS was needed.

>

> AT NO TIME in this discussion have I said that patient care was

> compromised, resulting in the death or serious bodily injury to any

> patient.

>

> Your adding such comments, or suggesting that I have said that such

> things is are egregious, flagrant, and are a bold disregard for the

> truth. I do not know if you are misinterpreting my comments or what

> the situation is, but I would like to formally ask you to cease such

> actions. Your attributing comments to me, first stating that I had

> said the AMR statement stating that I had said that in regards to ETMC

> was in fact not correct. Then you tried to insinuate that I had

> talked about patient injuries/deaths, which is also highly inaccurate.

>

> J. Hoskins

> (no subject)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'll not apologize because you chose to " tank " ETMC on

> their

> >

> > > ability

> > > > in

> > > > your post of 6:19PM, to wit, " I have not seen ETMC able

> to

> > > maintain

> > > > the

> > > > truck coverage in any county I have worked in, other

> than

> > Panola

> > >

> > > > county

> > > > <sic>... " . What does that mean? Have people died as a

> > result?

> > > Where

> > > > is

> > > > the evidence and what are the implications?

> > > >

> > > > Bob Kellow

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The winner is Bob Kellow. A lot fancier than the one I worked on over thirty

years ago. Bob has identifed it now what does it do?

By the way some things a new medic should do before going to work in EMS that

will lower the whine factor. Feel free to add to the list.

2-3 years in the military

1 year in the oil patch or construction

Henry

Bob Kellow wrote:

> Here's one, Henry.

>

> http://www.mathey-leland.com/images/mathey/logging.jpg

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey I had three hard years in radio brfore EMS and medicine. Sitting at a

control panel, playing records, talking on the radio, answering the phone. It

was brutal. It is hard to say KFJZ, KXOL, WOAI, and KRLY over and over.

BEB

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, Texas

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Re: (no subject)

Henry, add:

Work 3 years in the hay fields hauling 1,200 bails per day of Coastal Bermuda

and

over-sized Alfalfa with a three man crew.

Henry Barber wrote:

> The winner is Bob Kellow. A lot fancier than the one I worked on over thirty

> years ago. Bob has identifed it now what does it do?

>

> By the way some things a new medic should do before going to work in EMS

that

> will lower the whine factor. Feel free to add to the list.

>

> 2-3 years in the military

> 1 year in the oil patch or construction

>

> Henry

>

> Bob Kellow wrote:

>

> > Here's one, Henry.

> >

> > http://www.mathey-leland.com/images/mathey/logging.jpg

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Henry, add:

Work 3 years in the hay fields hauling 1,200 bails per day of Coastal Bermuda

and

over-sized Alfalfa with a three man crew.

Henry Barber wrote:

> The winner is Bob Kellow. A lot fancier than the one I worked on over thirty

> years ago. Bob has identifed it now what does it do?

>

> By the way some things a new medic should do before going to work in EMS that

> will lower the whine factor. Feel free to add to the list.

>

> 2-3 years in the military

> 1 year in the oil patch or construction

>

> Henry

>

> Bob Kellow wrote:

>

> > Here's one, Henry.

> >

> > http://www.mathey-leland.com/images/mathey/logging.jpg

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When I first started with the MS symptoms, my daughter who was about 16 at the

time gave me the hardest time. She really was in denial, and thought I was

looking for attention somehow. My boys, who are both younger, were always great.

My daughter is 27 now and has a completely different attitude, she's come to the

conclusion that this is for real. I'm 54, full time in a wheelchair and now

stuck in a nursing home. Thank God I have a wonderful husband, he visits me

every day. I have to say though, that most of my so called friends have turned

their backs on me.

When we were raising our children, I did alot of free babysitting for them,

along with alot invites to my home and swimming pool. Now that I'm not

usefull to them anymore, it's, see ya. Oh well, as the saying goes: " What goes

around comes around. "

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