ANTHRAX

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From: Carl Brisson- <brissonc@...>

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Clay' <clayk@...>

Subject: Anthrax

Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 3:51 PM

Date: July 27, 1998

From: AR Kizer, USN

Congressman McIntosh

Subject: Anthrax vaccinations

Sir,

My name is L. Kizer. I am from Muncie, Indiana. I have been in

the Navy for one year and one month. I am stationed on the USS C.

Stennis (CVN-74) which is currently on deployment. I am writing to you to

voice my opposition to the Anthrax vaccine.

February 26, 1998 USS C. Stennis left Naval Station Norfolk, Virginia

on the ship's maiden deployment. At that time the decision to issue

Anthrax vaccinations to the entire fleet was pending. In March 1998 the

Secretary of Defense ordered all U.S. military members in the Arabian Gulf

were to receive mandatory vaccinations to protect them against the threat

of the Anthrax virus. Many people had serious questions and concerns. Most

had no idea what Anthrax was. I had questions of my own. I wanted to make

sure that it was safe before I consented to receive the vaccine. I came

across an electronic message (e-mail) written by Dr. Meryl Nass out of

Freeport, Maine. Dr. Nass is a recognized expert on the Anthrax virus.

She has studied Anthrax for nine years. She works closely with the

organization called Veterans for Integrity in Government. After reading

her reports I realized there was more to this vaccine than the Navy was

telling us. One of my main concerns was reproductive studies had not been

conducted. Whether or not the vaccine would cause chemical reactions if

used in conjunction with other vaccines/ drugs, is unknown. One report

stated that three people have died as a result of the complete and/or

partial vaccination. Would the shot be effective considering there are new

strains of Anthrax continuously being developed?

How can I trust a government that admitted to conducting secret

experiments on military personnel in the past? What confuses me is during

Operation Desert Shield/Storm some people were vaccinated but never

deployed to hazardous areas, but still came down with Gulf War Syndrome.

While I utilized the Chain of Command to voice my concerns, I was met with

a fierce " do it or else " attitude. The Command issued a worthless pamphlet

that was intended to satisfy any doubts about Anthrax. The basic

implication of this pamphlet was the vaccination was mandatory and also

100% safe. Other than that we were not to be concerned. They sent us to

the Arabian Gulf where we had no access to civilian doctors or lawyers to

obtain a second opinion. I wonder how convenient it was that all means of

communication were not available at the time the decision was made to

inoculate us. They anticipated opposition to the vaccine if the crew

obtained any outside information. The Chain of Command took the necessary

precautions to avoid disorder onboard USS C. Stennis. They knew of the

unanswered questions about the vaccine. They tried to cover their backs

until we all had received the shots.

I continue to stay in contact with Dr. Nass, Mrs. Lori Greenleaf and Pat

Eddington. Mrs. Greenleaf is the mother of a USS Independence sailor who

initially refused the vaccine but decided to take it for fear of damaging

his career. Pat Eddington is the Executive Director of the organization

Veterans for Integrity in Government. Together, they have supplied me with

FDA reports, articles, interviews, email addresses. They also sent me

other means of obtaining information about the adverse vaccine. I read the

FDA report that stated the Anthrax batch LOT# 020 was shipped to troops in

the Arabian Gulf. It had expired 5 years before it was sent. It was

improperly re-labeled and not tested for contamination or safety first.

The 1994 Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee released this statement: " The

Anthrax vaccine should continue to be considered as a potential cause for

undiagnosed illnesses in Persian Gulf military personnel because many of

the support troops received the Anthrax vaccine, and because the Department

of Defense believes that the incidence of undiagnosed illnesses in support

troops may be higher than in combat troops. " This brings up the question I

stated earlier. How can the Pentagon claim that the vaccine is safe and

effective when reproductive, cancer, and long-term studies have not been

conducted? What is more, the vaccine has never proven effective against

the effects of Anthrax inhalation by humans. We are being forced to take

an inoculation that could do more damage than good.

I have expressed my concerns to several Hospital Corpsman, and the Senior

Medical Officer. I have also talked with the Command Master Chief, the Air

Boss, Mini Boss, Commanding Officer, and the Admiral. I informed them I

felt violated by being forced to take a shot I did not think was 100% safe.

I was dismissed as just an ignorant, female recruit. They did their best

to intimidate me. When I showed them the information I had obtained from

Dr. Nass and other sources they waved it off as a hoax. I was told not to

believe everything that I find on the Internet. If the information that I

had is false why could they not prove it wrong? They pointed out the fact

that I never questioned any shot I received in basic training. In boot

camp, recruits are too naïve and scared to ask questions about medical

procedures. I felt that Anthrax was different than polio or the flu

vaccine because it was being administered for protection against

biochemical warfare. With all the mutated strains of Anthrax world

terrorists have to choose from, why would they choose one that we are

already vaccinated against? This brings up my second theory that Anthrax

must not be so much of a threat as the Department of Defense claims. If

the Navy does care about the safety of its troops, then why have they kept

the unvaccinated personnel onboard? We have spent nearly the whole 6

months out here in the Gulf without the vaccine. Was it really as

mandatory as they wanted us to believe? They are hiding something. The

FDA narrowly approved this experimental vaccine because no human tests had

been conducted. Now, by order of the Secretary of Defense, they can have

2.4 million military service members injected with this vaccine to continue

their testing. We have no means of protection in this theatre of

experimentation. We have no voice. We are just like guinea pigs.

Seven people, including myself were rewarded Non-Judicial Punishment for

refusal of the Anthrax vaccine. We were charged and convicted of violating

Article 90, willful disobedience of a superior commissioned officer. Our

punishment was 30 days restriction, and extra military duties, forfeiture

one half months pay, and reduction in rank. Two of the six others were

discharged immediately because of conditions addressed in previous

Non-Judicial Punishments they had received. After some time, two others

gave in and took the vaccine. The Admiral promised to remove their

Non-Judicial Punishments from their records as though it never happened.

They were reimbursed every cent that was taken and their previous rank was

restored. As far as anyone was concerned, they had never went to Captain's

Mast. Now, the only people refusing the vaccine are two squadron personnel

and I. The command has made threats to discharge us since out first

moments of refusal. Had I known when I was a civilian that I could be

injected with experimental chemicals and medicines without my consent, I

would not have joined. I was totally appalled when I learned of the

regulation that grants the military permission to inject service members

with experimental vaccines and drugs without consent during times of war.

We fight for the rights of every citizen of the United States of America.

Why do those rights not apply to us once we have enlisted in the United

States military? The government wants to inject me with something that

they have not even done all the testing on yet. It could be potentially

harmful to my wellbeing. I am told that it is not my place to choose what

is and is not beneficial to my health. Is it not my decision? Have I no

say over what is injected into my body? This is implying that I am

government property. To be another persons' property is to be a slave.

Does the United States condone slavery? I work for the government. The

government does not own my body.

I was called into Legal today to sign my Administrative Separation Process

notification papers. The command plans to separate me under

Other-than-Honorable conditions. The grounds for this are " Pattern of

misconduct as evidenced by all Non- judicial punishments within your

current enlistment, and commission of a Serious Offense as evidence by

Commanding Officer's non-judicial punishment of 23 March 1998 for violation

of the UCMJ, Article 90, willfully disobey a lawful order given by

Commanding Officer, USS C. Stennis, to get your Anthrax shot. " While

I was on restriction, they took me to Mast a second time for being late for

muster. The punishment was an $100 fine and if I were to be late again, it

would have been three days confinement (bread and water) in the brig.

Before I first refused, I had never been charged with violating any article

of the UCMJ. I had never been awarded Captain's Mast before. I had not

received a bad evaluation or extra military duties. I had no counseling at

all. How can I be discharged under Other-than-Honorable if I do not have

any patterns of misconduct? The only thing I have done is refuse to take a

vaccine that has not been proven safe and effective.

What happens when the discovery is made that the Navy injected its sailors

with a possibly contaminated vaccine? Will anyone care? Why does it take

hundreds of people to become ill before anyone wants to investigate the

military's vaccination procedures? How would an individual be able to live

knowing that their own government injected them with an expired vaccine

that could possibly have adverse side effects? Years from now when their

children have cancer and birth defects, who will they have to answer their

questions? The Navy will probably deny that those side effects are related

to the Anthrax

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Lori,

May I send this out to some other lists....

Lori Greenleaf wrote:

> From: " Lori Greenleaf " <david.greenleaf@...>

>

> ----------

> From: Carl Brisson- <brissonc@...>

> 'mcintosh@...'; 'mnass@...';

> 'david.greenleaf@...'; 'eddington@...'; 'jepperso@...';

> 'zaidms@...'; 'smilensign@...'; 'hafemeis@...';

> 'proachsal@...' <proachsal@...>; 'Sara

> 'Sga sdi' Whitford' <sara@...>; 'sara@...'

> Cc: ' 'Bright Eyes' Kizer' <hurrellb@...>; 'Kimbretta

> Clay' <clayk@...>

> Subject: Anthrax

> Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 3:51 PM

>

> Date: July 27, 1998

> From: AR Kizer, USN

> Congressman McIntosh

> Subject: Anthrax vaccinations

>

> Sir,

>

> My name is L. Kizer. I am from Muncie, Indiana. I have been

in

> the Navy for one year and one month. I am stationed on the USS C.

> Stennis (CVN-74) which is currently on deployment. I am writing to you to

> voice my opposition to the Anthrax vaccine.

>

> February 26, 1998 USS C. Stennis left Naval Station Norfolk, Virginia

> on the ship's maiden deployment. At that time the decision to issue

> Anthrax vaccinations to the entire fleet was pending. In March 1998 the

> Secretary of Defense ordered all U.S. military members in the Arabian Gulf

> were to receive mandatory vaccinations to protect them against the threat

> of the Anthrax virus. Many people had serious questions and concerns. Most

> had no idea what Anthrax was. I had questions of my own. I wanted to make

> sure that it was safe before I consented to receive the vaccine. I came

> across an electronic message (e-mail) written by Dr. Meryl Nass out of

> Freeport, Maine. Dr. Nass is a recognized expert on the Anthrax virus.

> She has studied Anthrax for nine years. She works closely with the

> organization called Veterans for Integrity in Government. After reading

> her reports I realized there was more to this vaccine than the Navy was

> telling us. One of my main concerns was reproductive studies had not been

> conducted. Whether or not the vaccine would cause chemical reactions if

> used in conjunction with other vaccines/ drugs, is unknown. One report

> stated that three people have died as a result of the complete and/or

> partial vaccination. Would the shot be effective considering there are new

> strains of Anthrax continuously being developed?

>

> How can I trust a government that admitted to conducting secret

> experiments on military personnel in the past? What confuses me is during

> Operation Desert Shield/Storm some people were vaccinated but never

> deployed to hazardous areas, but still came down with Gulf War Syndrome.

> While I utilized the Chain of Command to voice my concerns, I was met with

> a fierce " do it or else " attitude. The Command issued a worthless pamphlet

> that was intended to satisfy any doubts about Anthrax. The basic

> implication of this pamphlet was the vaccination was mandatory and also

> 100% safe. Other than that we were not to be concerned. They sent us to

> the Arabian Gulf where we had no access to civilian doctors or lawyers to

> obtain a second opinion. I wonder how convenient it was that all means of

> communication were not available at the time the decision was made to

> inoculate us. They anticipated opposition to the vaccine if the crew

> obtained any outside information. The Chain of Command took the necessary

> precautions to avoid disorder onboard USS C. Stennis. They knew of the

> unanswered questions about the vaccine. They tried to cover their backs

> until we all had received the shots.

>

> I continue to stay in contact with Dr. Nass, Mrs. Lori Greenleaf and

Pat

> Eddington. Mrs. Greenleaf is the mother of a USS Independence sailor who

> initially refused the vaccine but decided to take it for fear of damaging

> his career. Pat Eddington is the Executive Director of the organization

> Veterans for Integrity in Government. Together, they have supplied me with

> FDA reports, articles, interviews, email addresses. They also sent me

> other means of obtaining information about the adverse vaccine. I read the

> FDA report that stated the Anthrax batch LOT# 020 was shipped to troops in

> the Arabian Gulf. It had expired 5 years before it was sent. It was

> improperly re-labeled and not tested for contamination or safety first.

> The 1994 Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee released this statement: " The

> Anthrax vaccine should continue to be considered as a potential cause for

> undiagnosed illnesses in Persian Gulf military personnel because many of

> the support troops received the Anthrax vaccine, and because the Department

> of Defense believes that the incidence of undiagnosed illnesses in support

> troops may be higher than in combat troops. " This brings up the question I

> stated earlier. How can the Pentagon claim that the vaccine is safe and

> effective when reproductive, cancer, and long-term studies have not been

> conducted? What is more, the vaccine has never proven effective against

> the effects of Anthrax inhalation by humans. We are being forced to take

> an inoculation that could do more damage than good.

>

> I have expressed my concerns to several Hospital Corpsman, and the

Senior

> Medical Officer. I have also talked with the Command Master Chief, the Air

> Boss, Mini Boss, Commanding Officer, and the Admiral. I informed them I

> felt violated by being forced to take a shot I did not think was 100% safe.

> I was dismissed as just an ignorant, female recruit. They did their best

> to intimidate me. When I showed them the information I had obtained from

> Dr. Nass and other sources they waved it off as a hoax. I was told not to

> believe everything that I find on the Internet. If the information that I

> had is false why could they not prove it wrong? They pointed out the fact

> that I never questioned any shot I received in basic training. In boot

> camp, recruits are too naïve and scared to ask questions about medical

> procedures. I felt that Anthrax was different than polio or the flu

> vaccine because it was being administered for protection against

> biochemical warfare. With all the mutated strains of Anthrax world

> terrorists have to choose from, why would they choose one that we are

> already vaccinated against? This brings up my second theory that Anthrax

> must not be so much of a threat as the Department of Defense claims. If

> the Navy does care about the safety of its troops, then why have they kept

> the unvaccinated personnel onboard? We have spent nearly the whole 6

> months out here in the Gulf without the vaccine. Was it really as

> mandatory as they wanted us to believe? They are hiding something. The

> FDA narrowly approved this experimental vaccine because no human tests had

> been conducted. Now, by order of the Secretary of Defense, they can have

> 2.4 million military service members injected with this vaccine to continue

> their testing. We have no means of protection in this theatre of

> experimentation. We have no voice. We are just like guinea pigs.

>

> Seven people, including myself were rewarded Non-Judicial Punishment

for

> refusal of the Anthrax vaccine. We were charged and convicted of violating

> Article 90, willful disobedience of a superior commissioned officer. Our

> punishment was 30 days restriction, and extra military duties, forfeiture

> one half months pay, and reduction in rank. Two of the six others were

> discharged immediately because of conditions addressed in previous

> Non-Judicial Punishments they had received. After some time, two others

> gave in and took the vaccine. The Admiral promised to remove their

> Non-Judicial Punishments from their records as though it never happened.

> They were reimbursed every cent that was taken and their previous rank was

> restored. As far as anyone was concerned, they had never went to Captain's

> Mast. Now, the only people refusing the vaccine are two squadron personnel

> and I. The command has made threats to discharge us since out first

> moments of refusal. Had I known when I was a civilian that I could be

> injected with experimental chemicals and medicines without my consent, I

> would not have joined. I was totally appalled when I learned of the

> regulation that grants the military permission to inject service members

> with experimental vaccines and drugs without consent during times of war.

> We fight for the rights of every citizen of the United States of America.

> Why do those rights not apply to us once we have enlisted in the United

> States military? The government wants to inject me with something that

> they have not even done all the testing on yet. It could be potentially

> harmful to my wellbeing. I am told that it is not my place to choose what

> is and is not beneficial to my health. Is it not my decision? Have I no

> say over what is injected into my body? This is implying that I am

> government property. To be another persons' property is to be a slave.

> Does the United States condone slavery? I work for the government. The

> government does not own my body.

>

> I was called into Legal today to sign my Administrative Separation

Process

> notification papers. The command plans to separate me under

> Other-than-Honorable conditions. The grounds for this are " Pattern of

> misconduct as evidenced by all Non- judicial punishments within your

> current enlistment, and commission of a Serious Offense as evidence by

> Commanding Officer's non-judicial punishment of 23 March 1998 for violation

> of the UCMJ, Article 90, willfully disobey a lawful order given by

> Commanding Officer, USS C. Stennis, to get your Anthrax shot. " While

> I was on restriction, they took me to Mast a second time for being late for

> muster. The punishment was an $100 fine and if I were to be late again, it

> would have been three days confinement (bread and water) in the brig.

> Before I first refused, I had never been charged with violating any article

> of the UCMJ. I had never been awarded Captain's Mast before. I had not

> received a bad evaluation or extra military duties. I had no counseling at

> all. How can I be discharged under Other-than-Honorable if I do not have

> any patterns of misconduct? The only thing I have done is refuse to take a

> vaccine that has not been proven safe and effective.

>

> What happens when the discovery is made that the Navy injected its sailors

> with a possibly contaminated vaccine? Will anyone care? Why does it take

> hundreds of people to become ill before anyone wants to investigate the

> military's vaccination procedures? How would an individual be able to live

> knowing that their own government injected them with an expired vaccine

> that could possibly have adverse side effects? Years from now when their

> children have cancer and birth defects, who will they have to answer their

> questions? The Navy will probably deny that those side effects are related

> to the Anthrax

> ----------

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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| From: L Strauss <chrissybeans1@...>

| david.greenleaf@...

| Subject: ANTHRAX

| Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 6:44 PM

|

| -

|

| U.S. Pushes Court Martial In Soldier Anthrax Case

|

|

| TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force

| will push ahead with court martial proceedings against a mechanic

| who has refused mandatory

|

| vaccination against anthrax, a base spokesman said Wednesday.

|

|

| Brig. Gen. Roser, the commander of the 60th Air Mobility

| Wing, reviewed the case against Airman 1st Class Jeff Bettendorf

| earlier this week and

|

| determined he should face a special court martial, Air Force

| Base spokesman Maj. Mike Halbig said Wednesday.

|

|

| Halbig said that, if found guilty, Bettendorf could face a maximum

| penalty ranging from six months confinement to demotion and

| punitive discharge.

|

|

| Bettendorf, an aerospace equipment specialist, is one of a small

| but growing number of U.S. service members who object to

| Secretary of Defense Cohen's

|

| order last May that all members of the military submit to

| inoculations against anthrax, a biological warfare agent.

|

|

| Military officials say the vaccine, which has been in use since

| 1991, is completely safe and the only way to protect U.S. soldiers

| from biological attack in places like

|

| the Gulf.

|

|

| But critics allege the vaccine has not be properly tested, with some

| even drawing connections between it and the mysterious illness

| known as Gulf War Syndrome.

|

|

| Bettendorf, 25, refused an offer of a summary court martial, the

| lowest level of military court proceeding, declaring he wanted to put

| the issue before a jury of fellow

|

| soldiers. Halbig said that would now be scheduled.

|

|

| Separately, at the Camp Pendleton Marine base near San Diego,

| about 20 Marines have refused to take the anthrax vaccine and

| some of them could face possible

|

| court martial, a base legal officer said.

|

|

| Col. Jim of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force said that a

| number of them had already agreed to accept administrative

| punishment, but that a handful

|

| looked likely to follow Bettendorf into the military courts.

|

|

| ``Several cases are currently pending special court martial,''

| said, although he added that none were currently docketed for the

| court.

|

| <nofill>

|

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From: Boyden <richard@...>

Lori Greenleaf <david.greenleaf@...>

Subject: Fw: anthrax

Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 7:48 PM

anthrax

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST HERE AND VIET NAM COMBAT VETERAN.

Do daily talk show in Kansas City on KCXL 1140AM/www.kcxl.com. I have been

reporting on documented evidence over the past three years that the DOD has

lied about the Gulf War Illness, the anthrax vaccinations, etc. Lies,

Lies, and more LIES have spewed out of the mouth's of the likes of ,

Schwartzkoff, Cohen, and the liar/aduterer/coward/traitor-in-chief Clinton

and all at the expense and suffering of those who have willingly chosen to

wear the uniforms of the armed services of this country.

Your gutless position as a newspaper which will continue to uphold and

propagate the lies concerning anthrax vaccinations is symptomatic of the

neutered condition of the military media of this country. Not only is the

military saturated with cowards but it is those cowards who aid and abet

the enemies of this country who are determined to destroy the lives of

those among you who mean nothing to them except to futher their agenda of

destroying the United States of America.

Hey, but " it don't mean nothing " ...continue living in your fantasy world of

ranks, appearances, and kissing hind end...continue in your illusion and

plastic fabrication of reality which has decieved you into believing that

taking the anthrax vaccination is for your best welfare...and when you

begin to develop those symtoms found among the Gulf War Vets, be sure to

listen quietly and you might just hear the liars laughing at your

suffering.

SEMPER FI - 66-68 - REPUBLIC OF VIET NAM

Boyden

LORI...MY LETTER TO THE NAVY TIMES...FOR YOUR EDIFICATION

RICHARD BOYDEN

[Guest guest]

Get this month's vanity fair (may 1999). There is about 10 pages on

Anthrax vaccine.

I would not get it for ALL THE TEA IN CHINA.

in CT

Dlfnluvr@... wrote:

>

> From: Dlfnluvr@...

>

> Does anyone know anything about the Anthrax vaccine? The Air Force just told

> my husband that he has to have this next month or they will kick him out of

> the Reserves. They tell him it's a synthetic and not the real virus being

> injected. Does anyone have anymore information on it? Marcie

>

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***************************************************************

Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical

OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you

implement that decision is yours and yours alone.

[Guest guest]

Marcie,

There are really two questions you're asking I assume:

1--is the vaccine safe and effective? NO

2--what's the best way to proceed legally to refuse it?

contact Caroline Morelli (ppva@...) when she gets back from

Washington late this week. Also Dawn (prove@...) too.

And Contact also Congressman Shays (from Connecticutt) who chaired

hearings on the matter a couple of weeks ago. He's very sympathetic to

our side and his staff in Washington could give you your best legal

options (I don't know what they are) to resist taking the shot.

gary

Coalition For Informed Choice. Krasner, Director

PO Box 230426, Hollis, NY 11423

fax/phone: 718-479-2939, email: gk-cfic@...

" Protect your rights! Become an advocate and inform others "

On Sun, 16 May 1999 21:22:29 EDT Dlfnluvr@... writes:

>From: Dlfnluvr@...

>

>Does anyone know anything about the Anthrax vaccine? The Air Force

>just told

>my husband that he has to have this next month or they will kick him

>out of

>the Reserves. They tell him it's a synthetic and not the real virus

>being

>injected. Does anyone have anymore information on it? Marcie

>

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How do I get this month's vanity fair? I am so new at this.

[Guest guest]

Vanity Fair is a magazine. It is the May issue with Portman on the

cover. You will probably find it at a & Noble for sure. It is a

Conde Nast magazine, whose website is www.epicurious.com.

It is a very thorough, informative, and scary article.

Cathi

[Guest guest]

PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE...Read the article in last month's Vanity Fair magazine

(it is the one with Portman on the cover, not ). It

will give you all you need to know about this awful vaccination!!! Best of

Luck. Nadine

[Guest guest]

I would greatly appreciate any private emails you could send regarding

Anthrax. Thanks.

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From: G. Gowan <jgowan@...>

Lori Greenleaf <david.greenleaf@...>

Subject: Re: Anthrax

Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:33 PM

Dear Lori:

I read what you send me. Here are some comments on quoted parts of it.

The Military seems to forget that people who serve our Country have rights.

The Chadwell decision points out that the rights are significant. It is

sad that military commanders need to be told that servicemen and

servicewomen have legal and personal rights that must be respected.

In U.S. v. Chadwell et al., two Marines were tried and convicted by a

special court-martial under Articles 90 and 92 for having " willfully

disobeyed a lawful order of their superior officer to submit to certain

medical treatment, to wit: immunization against smallpox, typhoid,

paratyphoid and influenza ... " The Court recognized that " [t]here is no

doubt that the legality of an order may be questioned and the courts are

required to determine such issue when raised. Individual rights that are

protected by the Constitution and statute are not subject to military

orders which are arbitrary and unreasonable. " Chadwell reiterated a

conclusion now more than forty years old held by a prior military court

that:

Persons in the military service are neither puppets nor robots. They are

not subject to the willynilly push or pull of a capricious superior, at

least as far as trial and punishment by court-martial is concerned. In that

area they are human beings endowed with legal and personal rights which are

not subject to military order.

Congress left no room for doubt about that. It did not say that the

violation of any order was punishable by court-martial, but only that the

violation of a lawful order was.

So jurisdiction and rights are established. Now the questions to be

answered are: 1. Is this an experimental vaccine? and 2. Is it lawful

for the military commanders to order a person to take an experimental

vaccine?

Well, here is what the military has to say about the first question.

Remember this statement is coming from Army medical R & D commanders in 1990.

Curiously, in a 1990, article entitled " Military Immunizations: Past,

Present, and Future Prospects " , which was co-written by Drs. Ernest T.

Takafuji and Philip K. , both former Commanders of the U.S. Army

Medical Research and Development Command at Fort Detrick, it was stated

that:

Limited use vaccines and products are defined as those unlicensed

experimental vaccines, toxoids, and immunoglobulins that have been

developed against specific military threats associated with high morbidity.

These products would be used in specific contingency situations. Some of

the limited use vaccines could be considered to be experimental deployment

vaccines since they are directed against serious region-specific endemic

diseases. Limited use vaccines include ... anthrax.

This characterization of anthrax as " unlicensed " and " experimental " is, of

course, in contradiction to the current literature and present posture of

the Pentagon and FDA. In response to my request for elaboration as to what

this article was referring to, the Defense Department stated:

According to COL Takafuji, a co-author of the referenced article and a

previous Commander at the U.S. Army Medical Research and Development

Command, the anthrax vaccine referred to in the article is not the

FDA-licensed anthrax vaccine, but an experimental second generation anthrax

vaccine under development at USAMRIID. The experimental anthrax vaccine is

being developed utilizing emerging technologies that should require fewer

doses and be more cost-effective to produce and administer.

The Defense Department's response would seem to indicate that the anthrax

vaccine referenced in the article refers to the second generation vaccine

proposed in the IND, but is it? Setting aside the stringent

FDA-requirements now required to obtain a vaccine license or even to affect

a change to an existing license, one must question what is truly afoot

here. The purpose of the IND is not to change the composition of the

vaccine. It is not an attempt to make the vaccine itself stronger.

Apparently studies have demonstrated that the six dose regiment now in

place is unnecessarily excessive. Therefore, a mere modification of the

dose schedule will apparently enable an individual to develop greater

immune protection to the anthrax spores. Was the dose modification truly

what was being referenced in the article that led two distinguished

military medical commanders to term the anthrax vaccine as " unlicensed " and

" experimental " ? Or has the composition of the vaccine now in use been

modified in some way?

Seems pretty clear to me that these two former commanders from the lead

service for the AVIP, who were making a medical statement rather than a

political statement, were unequivocally characterizing the Anthrax vaccine

as experimental. So the answer to question 1. is: The vaccine is

" experimental " according to informed military sources.

The second question can be addressed by the following.

For over twenty years the Department of Defense (DoD) or their contractors

were allowed to use the American people as " Guinea pigs " for testing of

chemical or biological agents. Since July 30th, 1977, the United States

Code annotated Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 remained on the books

until drawn into the arena of public discussion on talk radio.

Due to overwhelming public outcry, section 1520 was quietly repealed by the

passing of H. R. 1119, the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal

years 1998 and 1999. Section 1078 of this bill prohibits the DoD, either

directly or by contract, from conducting tests or experiments using

chemical or biological agents on human subjects (with exceptions). The DoD

is permitted to conduct such a test or experiment if informed consent is

obtained. According to U. S. Senator Olympia Snowe (ME), the conference

report on H. R. 1119 was passed by the Senate, by a vote of 90-10 on

November 6, 1997 and signed into law by President Clinton on November 18th,

1997.

So HR 1119 says: no experimentation. Therefore, giving an experimental

drug to anyone without their consent is illegal. Therefore, ordering

anyone to take the vaccine is an illegal order. Any commander who is

ordering his subordinates to take the Anthrax vaccine is issuing an illegal

order and breaking the law. Remember, this conclusion is the logical

result of a reading of the military's own statements and a reading of the

law.

Clearly, the wrong people are on trial.

G. Gowan, jgowan@...

LIBERTAD, Advocates for Civil Rights

PS You can post this one if you like, too.

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I have been monitoring the " " massage traffic for a few weeks now.

I got the address from Lori and I would like to thank her again! I am an

active duty Air Force member who was recently demoted for refusing the

vaccine. I have more troubled waters ahead and I am looking for options.

Please understand that I have to be careful how I say and do things with

regard to this situation. Because I'm active duty (over twelve years now) I

am bound by special laws that are sometimes difficult for civilians to

understand. I must obey military protocol and ensure that I do not say

anything that could be considered provocative to the Air Force. It would

only make my situation worse.

I am writing with regard to the attached message. I would like to know if

anyone has copies of, or knows where I can find copies of, this US Code.

This information, in conjuction with solid evidence about the classification

of the vaccine, could prove helpful to all members involved. If I can find

this " law " below, in writing, and I can prove that the vaccine now being

used is a second generation vaccine, I would be willing to go to my

Inspector General with the evidence. Although I doubt that it will produce

any imediate results, I do believe that it will be one more step, for all

concerned, in the path toward the truth; the whole truth, and nothing but

the truth.

Everyday I listen to military people lie about the safety of the vaccine and

the fact that it has been in use for over thirty years. I know what went on

during the Gulf War and there's no doubt in my mind that something is being

left out of the picture here.

Hope to hear from someone soon. Remember, I need facts, references and real

evidence. Speculation is not the resolution to this situation.

Best wishes to those at 29 Palms. Even though we wear different uniforms,

we are all on the same team. Well, most of us.......

>From: " Lori Greenleaf " <david.greenleaf@...>

>Reply-onelist

><onelist>

>Subject: Fw: Anthrax

>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:01:25 -0600

>

>From: " Lori Greenleaf " <david.greenleaf@...>

>

>

>

>----------

>From: G. Gowan <jgowan@...>

>Lori Greenleaf <david.greenleaf@...>

>Subject: Re: Anthrax

>Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:33 PM

>

>Dear Lori:

>

>I read what you send me. Here are some comments on quoted parts of it.

>

>The Military seems to forget that people who serve our Country have rights.

> The Chadwell decision points out that the rights are significant. It is

>sad that military commanders need to be told that servicemen and

>servicewomen have legal and personal rights that must be respected.

>In U.S. v. Chadwell et al., two Marines were tried and convicted by a

>special court-martial under Articles 90 and 92 for having " willfully

>disobeyed a lawful order of their superior officer to submit to certain

>medical treatment, to wit: immunization against smallpox, typhoid,

>paratyphoid and influenza ... " The Court recognized that " [t]here is no

>doubt that the legality of an order may be questioned and the courts are

>required to determine such issue when raised. Individual rights that are

>protected by the Constitution and statute are not subject to military

>orders which are arbitrary and unreasonable. " Chadwell reiterated a

>conclusion now more than forty years old held by a prior military court

>that:

>

>Persons in the military service are neither puppets nor robots. They are

>not subject to the willynilly push or pull of a capricious superior, at

>least as far as trial and punishment by court-martial is concerned. In that

>area they are human beings endowed with legal and personal rights which are

>not subject to military order.

>

>Congress left no room for doubt about that. It did not say that the

>violation of any order was punishable by court-martial, but only that the

>violation of a lawful order was.

>

>So jurisdiction and rights are established. Now the questions to be

>answered are: 1. Is this an experimental vaccine? and 2. Is it lawful

>for the military commanders to order a person to take an experimental

>vaccine?

>

>Well, here is what the military has to say about the first question.

>Remember this statement is coming from Army medical R & D commanders in 1990.

>

>Curiously, in a 1990, article entitled " Military Immunizations: Past,

>Present, and Future Prospects " , which was co-written by Drs. Ernest T.

>Takafuji and Philip K. , both former Commanders of the U.S. Army

>Medical Research and Development Command at Fort Detrick, it was stated

>that:

>

>Limited use vaccines and products are defined as those unlicensed

>experimental vaccines, toxoids, and immunoglobulins that have been

>developed against specific military threats associated with high morbidity.

>These products would be used in specific contingency situations. Some of

>the limited use vaccines could be considered to be experimental deployment

>vaccines since they are directed against serious region-specific endemic

>diseases. Limited use vaccines include ... anthrax.

>

>This characterization of anthrax as " unlicensed " and " experimental " is, of

>course, in contradiction to the current literature and present posture of

>the Pentagon and FDA. In response to my request for elaboration as to what

>this article was referring to, the Defense Department stated:

>

>According to COL Takafuji, a co-author of the referenced article and a

>previous Commander at the U.S. Army Medical Research and Development

>Command, the anthrax vaccine referred to in the article is not the

>FDA-licensed anthrax vaccine, but an experimental second generation anthrax

>vaccine under development at USAMRIID. The experimental anthrax vaccine is

>being developed utilizing emerging technologies that should require fewer

>doses and be more cost-effective to produce and administer.

>

>The Defense Department's response would seem to indicate that the anthrax

>vaccine referenced in the article refers to the second generation vaccine

>proposed in the IND, but is it? Setting aside the stringent

>FDA-requirements now required to obtain a vaccine license or even to affect

>a change to an existing license, one must question what is truly afoot

>here. The purpose of the IND is not to change the composition of the

>vaccine. It is not an attempt to make the vaccine itself stronger.

>Apparently studies have demonstrated that the six dose regiment now in

>place is unnecessarily excessive. Therefore, a mere modification of the

>dose schedule will apparently enable an individual to develop greater

>immune protection to the anthrax spores. Was the dose modification truly

>what was being referenced in the article that led two distinguished

>military medical commanders to term the anthrax vaccine as " unlicensed " and

> " experimental " ? Or has the composition of the vaccine now in use been

>modified in some way?

>

>Seems pretty clear to me that these two former commanders from the lead

>service for the AVIP, who were making a medical statement rather than a

>political statement, were unequivocally characterizing the Anthrax vaccine

>as experimental. So the answer to question 1. is: The vaccine is

> " experimental " according to informed military sources.

>

>The second question can be addressed by the following.

>

>For over twenty years the Department of Defense (DoD) or their contractors

>were allowed to use the American people as " Guinea pigs " for testing of

>chemical or biological agents. Since July 30th, 1977, the United States

>Code annotated Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 remained on the books

>until drawn into the arena of public discussion on talk radio.

>

>Due to overwhelming public outcry, section 1520 was quietly repealed by the

>passing of H. R. 1119, the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal

>years 1998 and 1999. Section 1078 of this bill prohibits the DoD, either

>directly or by contract, from conducting tests or experiments using

>chemical or biological agents on human subjects (with exceptions). The DoD

>is permitted to conduct such a test or experiment if informed consent is

>obtained. According to U. S. Senator Olympia Snowe (ME), the conference

>report on H. R. 1119 was passed by the Senate, by a vote of 90-10 on

>November 6, 1997 and signed into law by President Clinton on November 18th,

>1997.

>

>So HR 1119 says: no experimentation. Therefore, giving an experimental

>drug to anyone without their consent is illegal. Therefore, ordering

>anyone to take the vaccine is an illegal order. Any commander who is

>ordering his subordinates to take the Anthrax vaccine is issuing an illegal

>order and breaking the law. Remember, this conclusion is the logical

>result of a reading of the military's own statements and a reading of the

>law.

>

>Clearly, the wrong people are on trial.

>

> G. Gowan, jgowan@...

>

>LIBERTAD, Advocates for Civil Rights

>

>PS You can post this one if you like, too.

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

,

Go to the AF JAG web site. I am unable it to you as it is a protected .mil

site and can only be accessed through a military server. Go to the main AF

site and it's easy to find from there. You'll find all sorts of helpful

information to include the UCMJ. I've used it extensively over the past few

months. I understand where your coming from, I have 14 years both active and

guard. Stick to the facts you can never go wrong. Good Luck and keep the

faith!

Robi

[Guest guest]

From: " Carol Stutts " <cstutts@...>

.. fyi.. here is the reply I sent .. thanks for sharing this persons

email. We must support each

other.

Love,

Carol

re: anthrax

whatever they do to you is nothing compared to the illness that could result!

Refuse and accept the

consequences. You have the right to your own body!! check out

www.usaweekend.com check out the poll question and look at the questbook, you

will find my comments there! my husband is ill. he is a physician with 32 yrs

of service. when he became ill the first thing they did was give him an appt

with the pychiatrist! That is the concern they have when you can no longer be

used by them. He did not, nor does he need a shrink! He has brain damage, bone

damage, muscle damage,nerve damage, etc. He now sees many specialist. He was

just hospitalized Thurs - Sunday... this is our life... don't let it

happen to you!

Keep your chin up....

Love life and live,

Carol Stutts

[Guest guest]

Dear list readers,

I asked the American Veterinary Medical Association the question on my

mind.

" How many veterinarians have been getting the vaccine? "

Below is my correspondence with them. Check it out.

Chipper

--- " Dr. Lyle P. Vogel " <LVogel@...> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:24:13 -0500

> From: " Dr. Lyle P. Vogel " <LVogel@...>

> chipper65@...

> Subject: Re: Anthrax

>

> Anthrax vaccine has been used for many years to

> protect

> veterinarians and others who are occupationally

> exposed to

> anthrax. However, the number of veterinarians who

> are vaccinated

> is not large because the disease in animals is

> sporadic in the

> United States so the risk of exposure is small.

>

> The reports of adverse reactions are similar to

> other human

> vaccines.

>

> Lyle Vogel, DVM, MPH

> Director, Scientific Activities

> American Veterinary Medical Association

>

> >>> <chipper65@...> 07/12/99

> 05:29PM >>>

> Hello,

> My name is Randy and I am in the military. The

> Department of

> Defense

> has ordered all military personnel be given the

> Anthrax vaccine.

> They

> have stated that the veterinarian field has given

> the vaccine to

> a lot

> of people and with no side effects.

>

> My question is:

> Has your field given this vaccine to humans? If so,

> when and

> what

> were their short and long term effects?

>

> Please respond, our military may be being used as a

> test bed for

> human

> anthrax vaccine.

>

> Thank you

> Randy

>

[Guest guest]

----------

From: Audrey Hudson <jerrysmith@...>

david.greenleaf@...

Subject: anthrax

Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:26 PM

Anthrax shots come under GOP fire

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

----

By Audrey Hudson

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

----

ouse Republicans want the Defense Department to eliminate mandatory anthrax

vaccines until long-term health studies on potential harmful side effects

can be done.

They said yesterday that reports of adverse reactions to the vaccine

have damaged military morale and prompted many military people to resign.

" Our military readiness is at stake, " said Rep. Walter B. Jr.,

North Carolina Republican.

Mr. , along with Rep. A. Gilman, New York Republican and

chairman of the International Relations Committee, announced two pieces of

legislation during a press briefing. One bill would make the program

voluntary rather than mandatory, the other would suspend the program until

the National Institutes of Health conducted a study.

" The two bills differ in their approach to the problem, but they have

a common goal to halt the mandatory aspect of the anthrax vaccination

program, " Mr. Gilman said.

" Since the announcement of the mandatory vaccination program in 1997,

a growing number of military personnel -- particularly Guard and Reservists

-- have chosen to resign rather than take what may be an unsafe anthrax

vaccine, " Mr. said.

" Now military personnel across the country are struggling with their

options, " Mr. said.

The legislation is getting support from the other side of the aisle.

" When five Republicans are questioning the Department of Defense, you

know something is wrong, " said Rep. Bob Filner, California Democrat.

" When five Marines are court-martialed because they are concerned they

may not be fit for duty if they take a vaccine, and when 30 percent of the

pilots in a reserve unit resign rather than take this vaccine, we have

clear signals that something is wrong, " said Rep. Dan Burton, Indiana

Republican.

Anthrax is a potentially fatal bacterial infection and is the primary

biological warfare threat faced by U.S. forces.

Mr. Burton, who chairs the House Committee on Government Reform, also

held a hearing yesterday on whether the risks of many vaccines outweigh

public benefits.

One Defense Department employee testified that her health deteriorated

severely after receiving an anthrax vaccine. She said she was concerned

about her daughter, a first lieutenant in the Air Force, who also was being

ordered to take the vaccine.

" I believe that I experienced deleterious effects from the vaccines

and that my daughter would also since she shares my biological makeup, "

said Antonia Spaith, international project manager in the chemical and

biological elimination branch.

Mr. Burton's committee, which has been investigating the vaccine

program, says members of the military are afraid to come forward.

" We learned that there is fear in the ranks about reporting and that

the Department of Defense filters their reports before sending them to the

Food and Drug Administration, " Mr. Burton said.

[Guest guest]

http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/army.html

http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/anthrax.html

www.whale.to

anthrax

> From: Theodore W Born <thebornhome@...>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am the mother of two children, one up to date on vaccinations and the

> other who will most likely never get any. Let's just say I think we

> finally stopped believing the " party line " and did our own research.

>

> Anyway....I am also the wife of a wonderful man who will be an officer in

> the Air Force soon. Anthrax possibilities are looming. Could anyone

> please direct me to info I can get on the shot, developments on whether

> there might be an exemption, etc.?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Holly

>

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[Guest guest]

Vanity Fair, May 1999 had a big article on it.

Theodore W Born wrote:

>

> From: Theodore W Born <thebornhome@...>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am the mother of two children, one up to date on vaccinations and the

> other who will most likely never get any. Let's just say I think we

> finally stopped believing the " party line " and did our own research.

>

> Anyway....I am also the wife of a wonderful man who will be an officer in

> the Air Force soon. Anthrax possibilities are looming. Could anyone

> please direct me to info I can get on the shot, developments on whether

> there might be an exemption, etc.?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Holly

>

> ________________________________________________________________

> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!

> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!

> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:

> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Theodore W Born <thebornhome@...> wrote:

> Anyway....I am also the wife of a wonderful man who will be an officer in

> the Air Force soon. Anthrax possibilities are looming. Could anyone

> please direct me to info I can get on the shot, developments on whether

> there might be an exemption, etc.?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Holly

I've been on the list at Onelist and found it helpful. Since I've

unsubcribed I can't search their archives right now. If you join that list I

suggest you search for post from Meryl Nash (at least I think that was the name)

a doctor whose done much research on the anthrax vaccine and testified often

before congress. The

list decription also suggests visiting http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/cyberella/

Onelist also hosts two smaller lists called Anthraxvaccine (with a public

archive you could search) and Anthrax Guard (for reservists.) I have no

experience with these two list so can only tell you they exist.

HTH,

Cheryl Overley

[Guest guest]

Check Out http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/anthrax_update.htm

Cory

[Guest guest]

what I heard is he got the form that is contracted by inhaling. Hey are

wondering where he could have inhaled it. Now remember, even if, God forbid.

anyone should get it, it is CURED EASILY WITH ANTIBIOTICS.

IT IS NOT CONTAGIOUS

Anthrax and Durham???

> >

> > Hi,

> > I found this article on iwon.com, and was somewhat alarmed to

find

> > that this poor man who has an inhaled form of Anthrax had

traveled to

> > the Durham area the week of the MGB picnic. They are saying that

it

> > is an isolated case, but it can take seven days to six weeks to

start

> > showing symptoms, so time will tell. Here is part of the article

> > (http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20011005/D7EUPHS80.html)that

tells

> > where the man went while in NC...

> >

> > >>Health officials said they were tracing where s had been

and

> > what he had done.

> >

> > He traveled to North Carolina on Sept. 27 and left three days

later

> > because he wasn't feeling well, said Debbie Crane, spokeswoman

for

> > the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Service. He

visited

> > Charlotte, Duke University in Durham and Chimney Rock Park where

he

> > participated in outdoor activities, Crane said.

> >

> > The CDC has canvassed hospitals and health departments in the

two

> > states and found no one else with similar symptoms, Koplan

said.<<

> >

> > The article did not say how that man traveled to or from

Florida. I

> > hope and pray that this was indeed an isolated case!

> >

> > Stormy MGB 8/11/00

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________________

> Send a cool gift with your E-Card

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the article. I found the fact that " USA Today named the

man as Bob s, a photographer for a supermarket tabloid "

interesting. With an occupation like that, there is no telling where

he might have contracted the illness.

There are so many conflicting reports about how this stuff is

contracted that I am confused. I sure hope that it is indeed an

isolated case. I was more worried about the people who might have

traveled in places(like an airport)where Anthrax could have been

released than those who were actually from the Durham area.

I'm did not make it to the picnic, but have been reading all the

posts about how much fun you all had. I hope to make it next year.

Stormy

> Doubt if the guy got it here cause Anthrax can have a 60 day

incubation

> period.

>

> http://news.excite.com/news/r/011005/08/news-attack-anthrax-dc

>

> That's just the latest on the story.

>

> I think y'all are going to be fine and it really an isolated case.

>

> -Ginny

> >

> > Message: 4

> > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:43:02 -0000

> > From: talachee@h...

> > Subject: Anthrax and Durham???

> >

> > Hi,

> > I found this article on iwon.com, and was somewhat alarmed to

find

> > that this poor man who has an inhaled form of Anthrax had

traveled to

> > the Durham area the week of the MGB picnic. They are saying that

it

> > is an isolated case, but it can take seven days to six weeks to

start

> > showing symptoms, so time will tell. Here is part of the article

> > (http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20011005/D7EUPHS80.html)that

tells

> > where the man went while in NC...

> >

> > >>Health officials said they were tracing where s had been

and

> > what he had done.

> >

> > He traveled to North Carolina on Sept. 27 and left three days

later

> > because he wasn't feeling well, said Debbie Crane, spokeswoman

for

> > the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Service. He

visited

> > Charlotte, Duke University in Durham and Chimney Rock Park where

he

> > participated in outdoor activities, Crane said.

> >

> > The CDC has canvassed hospitals and health departments in the

two

> > states and found no one else with similar symptoms, Koplan

said.<<

> >

> > The article did not say how that man traveled to or from

Florida. I

> > hope and pray that this was indeed an isolated case!

> >

> > Stormy MGB 8/11/00

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________________

> Send a cool gift with your E-Card

> http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, I am wondering where he could have inhaled it. That is what has

me confused. I know that there are three types of Anthrax, one that

you can get from the soil that could get into cuts and such, one that

you get from eating foods that have the virus, and the most rare

inhaled form. CBS.com has a great bioweapons explanation that gives

symptoms and types of transmissions of the most popular bioweapons.

Here is part of what is said there about Anthrax...

>>Inhalation anthrax is usually fatal. Deaths are rare with

appropriate anti-microbial therapy in cases of cutaneous anthrax.

Intestinal anthrax results in death in 25-60 percent of cases. <<

You are right that antibiotics can treat it, but only certain forms

of the illness and ONLY if you can get treatment well before you show

symptoms of illness. That's what is so troublesome. We should know in

a few days if there are any other cases reported. It's just awful

that the world has to worry about such things because of the likes of

people with terrorist mindsets.

Stormy

> > Doubt if the guy got it here cause Anthrax can have a 60 day

> incubation

> > period.

> >

> > http://news.excite.com/news/r/011005/08/news-attack-anthrax-dc

> >

> > That's just the latest on the story.

> >

> > I think y'all are going to be fine and it really an isolated

case.

> >

> > -Ginny

> > >

> > > Message: 4

> > > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:43:02 -0000

> > > From: talachee@h...

> > > Subject: Anthrax and Durham???

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I found this article on iwon.com, and was somewhat alarmed to

> find

> > > that this poor man who has an inhaled form of Anthrax had

> traveled to

> > > the Durham area the week of the MGB picnic. They are saying

that

> it

> > > is an isolated case, but it can take seven days to six weeks

to

> start

> > > showing symptoms, so time will tell. Here is part of the

article

> > > (http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20011005/D7EUPHS80.html)that

> tells

> > > where the man went while in NC...

> > >

> > > >>Health officials said they were tracing where s had

been

> and

> > > what he had done.

> > >

> > > He traveled to North Carolina on Sept. 27 and left three days

> later

> > > because he wasn't feeling well, said Debbie Crane, spokeswoman

> for

> > > the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Service. He

> visited

> > > Charlotte, Duke University in Durham and Chimney Rock Park

where

> he

> > > participated in outdoor activities, Crane said.

> > >

> > > The CDC has canvassed hospitals and health departments in the

> two

> > > states and found no one else with similar symptoms, Koplan

> said.<<

> > >

> > > The article did not say how that man traveled to or from

> Florida. I

> > > hope and pray that this was indeed an isolated case!

> > >

> > > Stormy MGB 8/11/00

> > >

> > >

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stormy, how do you know that you need the meds before symptoms, and only

certain forms, I hadn't heard that. If that were the case, then everyone

who contracted it would die from it since they wouldn't be taking meds

without symptoms. Just curious. We are all scared, and it would be easy for

us to get hysterical, I know I can be, so we need to be patient and kind and

knowledgeable with this information.

Anthrax and Durham???

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> > > Hi,

> > > I found this article on iwon.com, and was somewhat alarmed to

> find

> > > that this poor man who has an inhaled form of Anthrax had

> traveled to

> > > the Durham area the week of the MGB picnic. They are saying

that

> it

> > > is an isolated case, but it can take seven days to six weeks

to

> start

> > > showing symptoms, so time will tell. Here is part of the

article

> > > (http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20011005/D7EUPHS80.html)that

> tells

> > > where the man went while in NC...

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> > > >>Health officials said they were tracing where s had

been

> and

> > > what he had done.

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> > > He traveled to North Carolina on Sept. 27 and left three days

> later

> > > because he wasn't feeling well, said Debbie Crane, spokeswoman

> for

> > > the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Service. He

> visited

> > > Charlotte, Duke University in Durham and Chimney Rock Park

where

> he

> > > participated in outdoor activities, Crane said.

> > >

> > > The CDC has canvassed hospitals and health departments in the

> two

> > > states and found no one else with similar symptoms, Koplan

> said.<<

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> > > The article did not say how that man traveled to or from

> Florida. I

> > > hope and pray that this was indeed an isolated case!

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I have been watching the reports that started yesterday when this man

got sick, and granted, MANY of the news reports are wrong or

conflicting.

The bioweapon form of Antrax, or inhaled form is the one that is 90%

fatal. There is a vaccine that is said to be 93% effective in

preventing the illness. CBS says " Inhalational: Initial symptoms may

resemble a common cold. After several days, the symptoms may progress

to severe breathing problems and shock. " There is alot more

information at the CBS site, as well as other sites on the web.

Hopefully, if there is a bio-attack, there will be enough notice for

people to be treated early enough.

You are so right about the fact that information can and has already

been getting out of hand. I did not post about this to alarm anyone,

but they(the center for disease control, according to CNN)have been

saying that anyone in the areas that this man traveled should see

their doctors early on about any type of cold symptoms until they

find out the source of his exposure.

I live in a very rural area, so my risk of an attack is probably less

that some others. My husband, however, travels internationally by

plane on a weekly basis. That is the main reason that I have been so

concerned about the risk of bio and chemical warfare. I have a young

son, and I want to be informed about ways to decrease his risk of

infection if my husband happened to contract something such as

smallpox in a bio-attack. It's a real shame that this stuff is going

on!

> stormy, how do you know that you need the meds before symptoms, and

only

> certain forms, I hadn't heard that. If that were the case, then

everyone

> who contracted it would die from it since they wouldn't be taking

meds

> without symptoms. Just curious. We are all scared, and it would be

easy for

> us to get hysterical, I know I can be, so we need to be patient and

kind and

> knowledgeable with this information.

>

> Re: Anthrax

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> Hi ,

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> Yes, I am wondering where he could have inhaled it. That is what

has

> me confused. I know that there are three types of Anthrax, one that

> you can get from the soil that could get into cuts and such, one

that

> you get from eating foods that have the virus, and the most rare

> inhaled form. CBS.com has a great bioweapons explanation that gives

> symptoms and types of transmissions of the most popular bioweapons.

> Here is part of what is said there about Anthrax...

>

> >>Inhalation anthrax is usually fatal. Deaths are rare with

> appropriate anti-microbial therapy in cases of cutaneous anthrax.

> Intestinal anthrax results in death in 25-60 percent of cases. <<

>

> You are right that antibiotics can treat it, but only certain forms

> of the illness and ONLY if you can get treatment well before you

show

> symptoms of illness. That's what is so troublesome. We should know

in

> a few days if there are any other cases reported. It's just awful

> that the world has to worry about such things because of the likes

of

> people with terrorist mindsets.