Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Ella, Yes, that can be a sign of Hyper.... take your basal temp in the morning.... for right now... this may or may not happen, it depends on if you are hyper and how hyper. One of the symptoms they look for is to have you hold your hands out, palms down, parallel to the floor. Can you hold them still or do the fingers want to move around a bit on their own, no mater how hard you try to hold them still? If they are 'walking' on their own it can be a sign of hyper, the excess hormone makes your muscles fire, causing them to twitch. The fingers and eyelids are the twitches that show first. What are you taking now, brand and dose, how long have you been on it at that dose and what were you taking before this, brand and dose? Topper () *almost 14 years post RAI after hyper storm* On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:32:33 -0000 " Ella " writes: > Hi, guys: Some of you may already know that I had to stop T3 a while > > back, about two months ago. My HR prior to T3 was high 50's to no > more than 60bpm. I've not taken my HR for some time, but I was > getting ready to dry my hair upsidedown and when I started to bend > over I realized that my HR seemed a bit high. At one point I > stopped > drying my hair (I was sitting down to do it) and I looked at the tv. > > Again, I felt like my HR was a bit too high. I took my HR and it > was > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > 104bpm. > > I've never had a high HR before, unless I'm having palpitations, but > > I'm not having one right now, nor was I was it was 106bpm a few > minutes ago. Palpitations have a certain feel to them, and they're > much more than an increased, rapid HR. They're forceful and usually > > rock the body back and forth if you sit still while having one. > They > also make it difficult to breathe if they go on too long. But what > > I've been experiencing today has just been a really fast HR, WAY > above normal for me, sort of like the way you'd feel if you had > several cups of espresso when you're not used to drinking coffee. > > Can this be hypo symptoms? I've felt like this before, but I've > never taken my HR. Today it was just annoying me, especially since > I > was sitting down and hadn't done anything to raise it that high. > > Any ideas? > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Ella, Yes, that can be a sign of Hyper.... take your basal temp in the morning.... for right now... this may or may not happen, it depends on if you are hyper and how hyper. One of the symptoms they look for is to have you hold your hands out, palms down, parallel to the floor. Can you hold them still or do the fingers want to move around a bit on their own, no mater how hard you try to hold them still? If they are 'walking' on their own it can be a sign of hyper, the excess hormone makes your muscles fire, causing them to twitch. The fingers and eyelids are the twitches that show first. What are you taking now, brand and dose, how long have you been on it at that dose and what were you taking before this, brand and dose? Topper () *almost 14 years post RAI after hyper storm* On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:32:33 -0000 " Ella " writes: > Hi, guys: Some of you may already know that I had to stop T3 a while > > back, about two months ago. My HR prior to T3 was high 50's to no > more than 60bpm. I've not taken my HR for some time, but I was > getting ready to dry my hair upsidedown and when I started to bend > over I realized that my HR seemed a bit high. At one point I > stopped > drying my hair (I was sitting down to do it) and I looked at the tv. > > Again, I felt like my HR was a bit too high. I took my HR and it > was > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > 104bpm. > > I've never had a high HR before, unless I'm having palpitations, but > > I'm not having one right now, nor was I was it was 106bpm a few > minutes ago. Palpitations have a certain feel to them, and they're > much more than an increased, rapid HR. They're forceful and usually > > rock the body back and forth if you sit still while having one. > They > also make it difficult to breathe if they go on too long. But what > > I've been experiencing today has just been a really fast HR, WAY > above normal for me, sort of like the way you'd feel if you had > several cups of espresso when you're not used to drinking coffee. > > Can this be hypo symptoms? I've felt like this before, but I've > never taken my HR. Today it was just annoying me, especially since > I > was sitting down and hadn't done anything to raise it that high. > > Any ideas? > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Ella, when I was inadequately treated, as I know you are right now, I too had the high heartrate in response to various activities. It can be an adrenal overreaction since your body is not optimally treated with thyroid hormones right now. When I got on Armour, all that stopped. Janie I took my HR and it was > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > 104bpm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Ella, when I was inadequately treated, as I know you are right now, I too had the high heartrate in response to various activities. It can be an adrenal overreaction since your body is not optimally treated with thyroid hormones right now. When I got on Armour, all that stopped. Janie I took my HR and it was > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > 104bpm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 You know Janie, you just made a very good point.... Undertreated thyroid leaves the body to rely on the adrenals to cover for it.... an adrenaline rush can cause elevated heart rate..... good point... Topper () On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:25 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > Ella, when I was inadequately treated, as I know you are right now, I > too had the high heartrate in response to various activities. It can > be an adrenal overreaction since your body is not optimally treated > with thyroid hormones right now. When I got on Armour, all that > stopped. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Hi Ella. I don't have answers for you but my HR can be between 80-100 and has done this for quite some time. Not sure when it started but it was before Armour. I've also been prone to shortness of breath. Need to get some more Coq10 as that plus LCarnitine is good for that. Hope you find your answers and that everything is ok. Hugs, Carol B > Hi, guys: Some of you may already know that I had to stop T3 a while > back, about two months ago. My HR prior to T3 was high 50's to no > more than 60bpm. I've not taken my HR for some time, but I was > getting ready to dry my hair upsidedown and when I started to bend > over I realized that my HR seemed a bit high. At one point I stopped > drying my hair (I was sitting down to do it) and I looked at the tv. > Again, I felt like my HR was a bit too high. I took my HR and it was > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > 104bpm. > > I've never had a high HR before, unless I'm having palpitations, but > I'm not having one right now, nor was I was it was 106bpm a few > minutes ago. Palpitations have a certain feel to them, and they're > much more than an increased, rapid HR. They're forceful and usually > rock the body back and forth if you sit still while having one. They > also make it difficult to breathe if they go on too long. But what > I've been experiencing today has just been a really fast HR, WAY > above normal for me, sort of like the way you'd feel if you had > several cups of espresso when you're not used to drinking coffee. > > Can this be hypo symptoms? I've felt like this before, but I've > never taken my HR. Today it was just annoying me, especially since I > was sitting down and hadn't done anything to raise it that high. > > Any ideas? > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 In my medical practice, I see many women whose heart rate goes up when on thyroid medications. In many cases taking 1. additional Magnesium (about 500 mg/day) will help substantially. 2. If this is not enough, especially in women I put them on Progesterone and it helps a lot. 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better Dr. Shah > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: NaturalThyroidHormones >Subject: Re: Rapid HR question >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:15:20 -0000 > >Hi Ella. I don't have answers for you but my HR can be between 80-100 >and has done this for quite some time. Not sure when it started but >it was before Armour. I've also been prone to shortness of breath. >Need to get some more Coq10 as that plus LCarnitine is good for that. >Hope you find your answers and that everything is ok. Hugs, Carol B > > > > Hi, guys: Some of you may already know that I had to stop T3 a >while > > back, about two months ago. My HR prior to T3 was high 50's to no > > more than 60bpm. I've not taken my HR for some time, but I was > > getting ready to dry my hair upsidedown and when I started to bend > > over I realized that my HR seemed a bit high. At one point I >stopped > > drying my hair (I was sitting down to do it) and I looked at the >tv. > > Again, I felt like my HR was a bit too high. I took my HR and it >was > > 106bpm. I took it again and got 102, then a third time and got > > 104bpm. > > > > I've never had a high HR before, unless I'm having palpitations, >but > > I'm not having one right now, nor was I was it was 106bpm a few > > minutes ago. Palpitations have a certain feel to them, and they're > > much more than an increased, rapid HR. They're forceful and >usually > > rock the body back and forth if you sit still while having one. >They > > also make it difficult to breathe if they go on too long. But what > > I've been experiencing today has just been a really fast HR, WAY > > above normal for me, sort of like the way you'd feel if you had > > several cups of espresso when you're not used to drinking coffee. > > > > Can this be hypo symptoms? I've felt like this before, but I've > > never taken my HR. Today it was just annoying me, especially since >I > > was sitting down and hadn't done anything to raise it that high. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Ella > _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Remember, Carol, that L-Carnitine is not good for people with thyroid problems. Hugs, Zina > Hi Ella. I don't have answers for you but my HR can be between 80- 100 > and has done this for quite some time. Not sure when it started but > it was before Armour. I've also been prone to shortness of breath. > Need to get some more Coq10 as that plus LCarnitine is good for that. > Hope you find your answers and that everything is ok. Hugs, Carol B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Dr. Shah... In your opinion, what is a 'normal' heart rate for person at rest... just sitting at the computer typing? I don't want to take advantage of you, but having a doctor in our group, well, it's tempting to ask questions of someone that has already proved himself to have a much better appreciation for those of us with poor (or no) thyroid function than most of the docs that we've worked with on a doctor/patient basis. Topper () On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:04:02 -0800 " Hitendra Shah " writes: > In my medical practice, I see many women whose heart rate goes up > when on > thyroid medications. In many cases taking > 1. additional Magnesium (about 500 mg/day) will help substantially. > 2. If this is not enough, especially in women I put them on > Progesterone and > it helps a lot. > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding > small > amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better > > Dr. Shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got higher would help with heartrate! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'm curious about that too, now that you point it out..... Topper () On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:25:46 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding > small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level > better > > Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR > got > higher would help with heartrate! > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 1. According to Dr. 's Protocol (www.wilsonthyroidsyndrome.com) patients who are on sustained release T3, are advised to keep some Synthroid or any other T4 medications with them. According to him if T4/T3 levels are balanced, one should not get palpitations. I have some patients who are on this sustained release T3, if they get palpitations, they take small amount of T4, and most often, their palpitation subsided. T3 Hormones function is to stimulate cells. Dr. Wlson has a detailed explanation for this in his book and in his Docotr's manuel. He has a good web site, but unfortunately now he is mainly promoting his own brand of natural supplements! 2. Hypoglycemia can also cause fast HR and palpitations. Regards. Dr. Shah Re: Rapid HR question > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got higher would help with heartrate! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 1. According to Dr. 's Protocol (www.wilsonthyroidsyndrome.com) patients who are on sustained release T3, are advised to keep some Synthroid or any other T4 medications with them. According to him if T4/T3 levels are balanced, one should not get palpitations. I have some patients who are on this sustained release T3, if they get palpitations, they take small amount of T4, and most often, their palpitation subsided. T3 Hormones function is to stimulate cells. Dr. Wlson has a detailed explanation for this in his book and in his Docotr's manuel. He has a good web site, but unfortunately now he is mainly promoting his own brand of natural supplements! 2. Hypoglycemia can also cause fast HR and palpitations. Regards. Dr. Shah Re: Rapid HR question > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got higher would help with heartrate! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 1. According to Dr. 's Protocol (www.wilsonthyroidsyndrome.com) patients who are on sustained release T3, are advised to keep some Synthroid or any other T4 medications with them. According to him if T4/T3 levels are balanced, one should not get palpitations. I have some patients who are on this sustained release T3, if they get palpitations, they take small amount of T4, and most often, their palpitation subsided. T3 Hormones function is to stimulate cells. Dr. Wlson has a detailed explanation for this in his book and in his Docotr's manuel. He has a good web site, but unfortunately now he is mainly promoting his own brand of natural supplements! 2. Hypoglycemia can also cause fast HR and palpitations. Regards. Dr. Shah Re: Rapid HR question > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got higher would help with heartrate! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Amazing, and it makes no sense to me. T4 is a storage hormone. It converts to T3, the main hormone. SO, if someone is adding T4, and their palps cease, wouldn't it be because they are getting MORE T3, since T4 converts to T3?? Or, is there more going on with T4, than we know?? Janie > 1. According to Dr. 's Protocol (www.wilsonthyroidsyndrome.com) patients who are on sustained release T3, are advised to keep some Synthroid or any other T4 medications with them. According to him if T4/T3 levels are balanced, one should not get palpitations. I have some patients who are on this sustained release T3, if they get palpitations, they take small amount of T4, and most often, their palpitation subsided. T3 Hormones function is to stimulate cells. Dr. Wlson has a detailed explanation for this in his book and in his Docotr's manuel. He has a good web site, but unfortunately now he is mainly promoting his own brand of natural supplements! > > 2. Hypoglycemia can also cause fast HR and palpitations. > > Regards. > Dr. Shah > > Re: Rapid HR question > > > > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding > small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better > > Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got > higher would help with heartrate! > > Janie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Amazing, and it makes no sense to me. T4 is a storage hormone. It converts to T3, the main hormone. SO, if someone is adding T4, and their palps cease, wouldn't it be because they are getting MORE T3, since T4 converts to T3?? Or, is there more going on with T4, than we know?? Janie > 1. According to Dr. 's Protocol (www.wilsonthyroidsyndrome.com) patients who are on sustained release T3, are advised to keep some Synthroid or any other T4 medications with them. According to him if T4/T3 levels are balanced, one should not get palpitations. I have some patients who are on this sustained release T3, if they get palpitations, they take small amount of T4, and most often, their palpitation subsided. T3 Hormones function is to stimulate cells. Dr. Wlson has a detailed explanation for this in his book and in his Docotr's manuel. He has a good web site, but unfortunately now he is mainly promoting his own brand of natural supplements! > > 2. Hypoglycemia can also cause fast HR and palpitations. > > Regards. > Dr. Shah > > Re: Rapid HR question > > > > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding > small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better > > Please explain why a " storage hormone " added to Armour if ones HR got > higher would help with heartrate! > > Janie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Me, hyper? Naaahhh, can't be. It comes and goes really. I don't know what it is, it just happens. I'm too chubby to be hyper! LOL Ella > Ella, > > Yes, that can be a sign of Hyper.... take your basal temp in the > morning.... > > for right now... this may or may not happen, it depends on if you are > hyper and how hyper. One of the symptoms they look for is to have you > hold your hands out, palms down, parallel to the floor. Can you hold them > still or do the fingers want to move around a bit on their own, no mater > how hard you try to hold them still? > > If they are 'walking' on their own it can be a sign of hyper, the excess > hormone makes your muscles fire, causing them to twitch. The fingers and > eyelids are the twitches that show first. > > What are you taking now, brand and dose, how long have you been on it at > that dose and what were you taking before this, brand and dose? > > Topper () *almost 14 years post RAI after hyper storm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Hmmnn. Interesting. I don't know what it is, but it comes and goes. Geez...getting older stinks. Ella > You know Janie, you just made a very good point.... Undertreated thyroid > leaves the body to rely on the adrenals to cover for it.... an adrenaline > rush can cause elevated heart rate..... good point... > > Topper () > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:55:25 -0000 " loboshe " <usns@r...> writes: > > Ella, when I was inadequately treated, as I know you are right now, I > > too had the high heartrate in response to various activities. It can > > be an adrenal overreaction since your body is not optimally treated > > with thyroid hormones right now. When I got on Armour, all that > > stopped. > > > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Thank you for the information, Dr. Shah. But...I'm not on any thyroid medication right now. This is why it perplexes me a bit. May be nothing, I guess, but I thought it was a bit strange since I was sitting down at the time. Ella > In my medical practice, I see many women whose heart rate goes up when on > thyroid medications. In many cases taking > 1. additional Magnesium (about 500 mg/day) will help substantially. > 2. If this is not enough, especially in women I put them on Progesterone and > it helps a lot. > 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small > amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better > > Dr. Shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Carol, you're hypo, though, right? Ella > Remember, Carol, that L-Carnitine is not good for people with thyroid > problems. > > Hugs, > > Zina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 It can be adrenal issues, heart issues or with me low ferritin makes my heart do that. Re: Rapid HR question Me, hyper? Naaahhh, can't be. It comes and goes really. I don't know what it is, it just happens. I'm too chubby to be hyper! LOL Ella > Ella, > > Yes, that can be a sign of Hyper.... take your basal temp in the > morning.... > > for right now... this may or may not happen, it depends on if you are > hyper and how hyper. One of the symptoms they look for is to have you > hold your hands out, palms down, parallel to the floor. Can you hold them > still or do the fingers want to move around a bit on their own, no mater > how hard you try to hold them still? > > If they are 'walking' on their own it can be a sign of hyper, the excess > hormone makes your muscles fire, causing them to twitch. The fingers and > eyelids are the twitches that show first. > > What are you taking now, brand and dose, how long have you been on it at > that dose and what were you taking before this, brand and dose? > > Topper () *almost 14 years post RAI after hyper storm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 I've had racing heart during times when I was off meds.... I don't know for sure what it is.. but I always thought that it was my heart doing weird stuff cause I was without enough thyroid hormone..... now that I'm on meds I dont' have it like that anymore.... Topper () On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:27:06 -0000 " Ella " writes: > Thank you for the information, Dr. Shah. But...I'm not on any > thyroid medication right now. This is why it perplexes me a bit. > May be nothing, I guess, but I thought it was a bit strange since I > > was sitting down at the time. > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 I've gotten palpitations my whole life practically, ever since about age 13 or 14 (MVP), and I get flutters, 3rd heartbeats, etc... but when I was on thyroid hormone...I didn't get them! And I used to get them for stupid reasons like sneezing, hiccuping (sp?), bending over to pick something up, laughing, but most of the time for no reason at all. Third heartbeats and flutters, though, were very different. But again, all that stopped while on thyroid meds. Pretty wild. Ella > Amazing, and it makes no sense to me. T4 is a storage hormone. It > converts to T3, the main hormone. SO, if someone is adding T4, and > their palps cease, wouldn't it be because they are getting MORE T3, > since T4 converts to T3?? Or, is there more going on with T4, than > we know?? > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 That's interesting. Maybe there's something to it then. Ella > I've had racing heart during times when I was off meds.... I don't know > for sure what it is.. but I always thought that it was my heart doing > weird stuff cause I was without enough thyroid hormone..... now that I'm > on meds I dont' have it like that anymore.... > > Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 That's interesting. It was the top doc Dr. Odom who put me on it and he's the one that started me on Armour. Suprised he didn't know that. he seemed pretty knowlagble. Hugs, Carol B > > Hi Ella. I don't have answers for you but my HR can be between 80- > 100 > > and has done this for quite some time. Not sure when it started but > > it was before Armour. I've also been prone to shortness of breath. > > Need to get some more Coq10 as that plus LCarnitine is good for > that. > > Hope you find your answers and that everything is ok. Hugs, Carol B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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