Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 This is a kind of simplistic suggestion -- it can work if you are not clinically depressed (my experience, at least). Just do the next thing that has to be done. Wash the dishes. Get a frame for the picture you've been meaning to frame for years. That kind of thing has been very helpful in getting me out of a helpless hopeless mindset, but perhaps it's not a problem for you. In any case, I would abandon the plans and self-help books. I believe it's AA that made you believe you need something like that. Have you considered that nothing may be wrong with you, and you are only experiencing the kind of confusion that almost every human being feels at some time in his/her life? --- Kayleigh Zz zZ |\ z _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) >What were the first few months like? I have been out for about seven months. >I am still pretty confused about a lot of stuff, though I was confused to >start with. I think I was actually better off before I got into it in some >ways. Any suggestions on how to move forward would be welcome. I was in it >for less than a year this time around, though a while back I was in treatment >for six months and then went to meetings for several years after. I have had >a lot of interpersonal problems and self esteem problems before--it's >interesting how going through AA, buying into it, and then leaving can >actually amplify things like that. MY BRAIN HURTS > ><< This is a good question. For me, it is a feeling of guilt and shame > based on the subliminal messages and not-so-subliminal messages (i.e.; > If you don't go to meetings, you'll get drunk, or if your don't call > your sponsor...) > > Time has been a great healer for me. I have been away for about 3 > years-was a steadfast member of AA for 15. There was already an > abundance of guilt and shame in me when I walked in the doors of AA in > 1981. To feel stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard-place for > all that time, and at the same time denying myself the luxury of NOT > beating on myself-I really went through hell. > > I have good partner and a good therapist that help me see where I am > and are teaching me not to beat on myself. > > I don't know if this is what you meant, but all I know is that I feel > more human now and a lot less like obtaining spiritual perfection-which > is what I felt AA was pushing me to do; and I was pushing myself. And > those defects I THOUGHT were defects, well, they're just not so > important to worry over anymore. > > W. >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. >http://clickhere./click/1701 > > > >-- Check out your group's private Chat room >-- /ChatPage?listName=12-step-free & m=1 > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 It was a wonderful day that I stopped buying self-help books and picked up books on social systems & politics. Finally, the systems sucked too, it wasn't just me. Sheds a very different light on all of it. Apple " kayleigh s " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9825 > This is a kind of simplistic suggestion -- it can work if you are not clinically depressed (my experience, at least). > > Just do the next thing that has to be done. Wash the dishes. Get a frame for the picture you've been meaning to frame for years. That kind of thing has been very helpful in getting me out of a helpless hopeless mindset, but perhaps it's not a problem for you. > > In any case, I would abandon the plans and self-help books. I believe it's AA that made you believe you need something like that. Have you considered that nothing may be wrong with you, and you are only experiencing the kind of confusion that almost every human being feels at some time in his/her life? > --- > Kayleigh > > Zz > zZ > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > >What were the first few months like? I have been out for about seven months. > >I am still pretty confused about a lot of stuff, though I was confused to > >start with. I think I was actually better off before I got into it in some > >ways. Any suggestions on how to move forward would be welcome. I was in it > >for less than a year this time around, though a while back I was in treatment > >for six months and then went to meetings for several years after. I have had > >a lot of interpersonal problems and self esteem problems before--it's > >interesting how going through AA, buying into it, and then leaving can > >actually amplify things like that. MY BRAIN HURTS > > > ><< This is a good question. For me, it is a feeling of guilt and shame > > based on the subliminal messages and not-so-subliminal messages (i.e.; > > If you don't go to meetings, you'll get drunk, or if your don't call > > your sponsor...) > > > > Time has been a great healer for me. I have been away for about 3 > > years-was a steadfast member of AA for 15. There was already an > > abundance of guilt and shame in me when I walked in the doors of AA in > > 1981. To feel stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard-place for > > all that time, and at the same time denying myself the luxury of NOT > > beating on myself-I really went through hell. > > > > I have good partner and a good therapist that help me see where I am > > and are teaching me not to beat on myself. > > > > I don't know if this is what you meant, but all I know is that I feel > > more human now and a lot less like obtaining spiritual perfection-which > > is what I felt AA was pushing me to do; and I was pushing myself. And > > those defects I THOUGHT were defects, well, they're just not so > > important to worry over anymore. > > > > W. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 It was a wonderful day that I stopped buying self-help books and picked up books on social systems & politics. Finally, the systems sucked too, it wasn't just me. Sheds a very different light on all of it. Apple " kayleigh s " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9825 > This is a kind of simplistic suggestion -- it can work if you are not clinically depressed (my experience, at least). > > Just do the next thing that has to be done. Wash the dishes. Get a frame for the picture you've been meaning to frame for years. That kind of thing has been very helpful in getting me out of a helpless hopeless mindset, but perhaps it's not a problem for you. > > In any case, I would abandon the plans and self-help books. I believe it's AA that made you believe you need something like that. Have you considered that nothing may be wrong with you, and you are only experiencing the kind of confusion that almost every human being feels at some time in his/her life? > --- > Kayleigh > > Zz > zZ > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > >What were the first few months like? I have been out for about seven months. > >I am still pretty confused about a lot of stuff, though I was confused to > >start with. I think I was actually better off before I got into it in some > >ways. Any suggestions on how to move forward would be welcome. I was in it > >for less than a year this time around, though a while back I was in treatment > >for six months and then went to meetings for several years after. I have had > >a lot of interpersonal problems and self esteem problems before--it's > >interesting how going through AA, buying into it, and then leaving can > >actually amplify things like that. MY BRAIN HURTS > > > ><< This is a good question. For me, it is a feeling of guilt and shame > > based on the subliminal messages and not-so-subliminal messages (i.e.; > > If you don't go to meetings, you'll get drunk, or if your don't call > > your sponsor...) > > > > Time has been a great healer for me. I have been away for about 3 > > years-was a steadfast member of AA for 15. There was already an > > abundance of guilt and shame in me when I walked in the doors of AA in > > 1981. To feel stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard-place for > > all that time, and at the same time denying myself the luxury of NOT > > beating on myself-I really went through hell. > > > > I have good partner and a good therapist that help me see where I am > > and are teaching me not to beat on myself. > > > > I don't know if this is what you meant, but all I know is that I feel > > more human now and a lot less like obtaining spiritual perfection-which > > is what I felt AA was pushing me to do; and I was pushing myself. And > > those defects I THOUGHT were defects, well, they're just not so > > important to worry over anymore. > > > > W. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 It was a wonderful day that I stopped buying self-help books and picked up books on social systems & politics. Finally, the systems sucked too, it wasn't just me. Sheds a very different light on all of it. Apple " kayleigh s " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9825 > This is a kind of simplistic suggestion -- it can work if you are not clinically depressed (my experience, at least). > > Just do the next thing that has to be done. Wash the dishes. Get a frame for the picture you've been meaning to frame for years. That kind of thing has been very helpful in getting me out of a helpless hopeless mindset, but perhaps it's not a problem for you. > > In any case, I would abandon the plans and self-help books. I believe it's AA that made you believe you need something like that. Have you considered that nothing may be wrong with you, and you are only experiencing the kind of confusion that almost every human being feels at some time in his/her life? > --- > Kayleigh > > Zz > zZ > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > >What were the first few months like? I have been out for about seven months. > >I am still pretty confused about a lot of stuff, though I was confused to > >start with. I think I was actually better off before I got into it in some > >ways. Any suggestions on how to move forward would be welcome. I was in it > >for less than a year this time around, though a while back I was in treatment > >for six months and then went to meetings for several years after. I have had > >a lot of interpersonal problems and self esteem problems before--it's > >interesting how going through AA, buying into it, and then leaving can > >actually amplify things like that. MY BRAIN HURTS > > > ><< This is a good question. For me, it is a feeling of guilt and shame > > based on the subliminal messages and not-so-subliminal messages (i.e.; > > If you don't go to meetings, you'll get drunk, or if your don't call > > your sponsor...) > > > > Time has been a great healer for me. I have been away for about 3 > > years-was a steadfast member of AA for 15. There was already an > > abundance of guilt and shame in me when I walked in the doors of AA in > > 1981. To feel stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard-place for > > all that time, and at the same time denying myself the luxury of NOT > > beating on myself-I really went through hell. > > > > I have good partner and a good therapist that help me see where I am > > and are teaching me not to beat on myself. > > > > I don't know if this is what you meant, but all I know is that I feel > > more human now and a lot less like obtaining spiritual perfection-which > > is what I felt AA was pushing me to do; and I was pushing myself. And > > those defects I THOUGHT were defects, well, they're just not so > > important to worry over anymore. > > > > W. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Hi . I feel as frustruated as you. Thought the surgery would be over with and things back to normal and getting PG w/in a few months. I also have been wondering why we would be having problems--when my Dr.'s seen many cases(one was Amy) of pregnancies around 4mm. My mind wanders and I think- " what if theres a little fragment of scar tissue inside my uterus and it's acting like an IUD? " My husband thinks Im obsessing and Dr. Malo also thinks it's highly unlikely, but I can't help it. The Hsg last May showed an open cavity with a slightly indented fundus(apparently that is also seen in " normal " cases too). But I can't help the 'what if's'. My period is not due for another week(was on fertility shots this cycle) but I feel very pessimistic today. I keep thinking that I'd feel " something " which is probably crazy anyway. Tell your Dr. you'd feel more confident being on injectibles. If more eggs are released, theres more chance of 1 implanting. I will ask on mon. when I see my Dr.--about your implantation question. cheryl > >Reply-To: Ashermansegroups >To: <Ashermansegroups> >Subject: question >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:17:46 -0600 > >Hello everyone, I would like to ask you all favor, the next time you each >see your doctors, if it wouldn't be a pain in the butt, could you ask them >what would cause an embryo to not implant if your lining and everything >else looks good? I'm at a loss as to what could possibly be wrong with me, >and it is driving me nuts!! If you are not comfortable asking your doctors, >then please don't. I want you to be comfortable, and not cause any of you >any unnecessary stress!! Thanks.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 I will be seeing my Dr on Tuesday and giving her my results. I am thinking I may try Thyrolar 1/4 but I have a question. Should I take it in the morning or should I try to take it in the evening. I work 10-630 so I would take it well after 7pm. Or should I try to take one to work each day and take it there. I would rather start out with a small dose than trying the 1/2. Thanks Louise PS Luckily my Dr will listen to my symptoms so I am pretty positive she'll increase my prescription. > Well I got my results. I'll post the results for the past year. (On > Jan 16 I was in a serious car accident with a serious head injury. On > March 27th or so started Thyrolar - 1 - similiar in dosage to 1 grain > Armour.) > > April 5 > TSH .80 (.40 - 5.5) > > May 22 > TSH 1.10 (.40 - 5.5) > > Sept 26 > > Free T4 1.0 (.8 - 1.8) > Free T3 3.2 (2.3 - 4.2) > 3rd gen TSH 1.662 (.35 - 5.50) > > > > Note - 1st 2 from Quest diagnostics - last one from Health Check USA) > > Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 It was either that or 5am - 130pm and guess who is NOT a morning person. I think I'll ask for 1/2 = than if it is too much I can cut it in half. (Starting in Jan for a long term prescription I need to do mailorder or pay through the nose for it.) I'll let ya all know what my Dr says. Louise > Okay.. I thought night shift.... cool.. they I'd take it in the morning > and then in mid afternoon... just like a regular day person....... > > *smile* > > Topper () > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:43:28 -0000 " lestatl382 " <LestatL382@y...> > writes: > > ok I should have clarified - I work 10am to 630pm. > > > > Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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