Re: Binging on food you don't really like

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Janet, do you think this is all a " clean your plate " mentality? Do

you feel that you have to eat it because you paid for it or because

it was wasteful? Do you feel that you will upset the restaurant if

you don't eat it? None of these are good reasons to eat something

but they still drive us to do so sometimes.

If these are thoughts that you have, my IE book points out that even

if you do eat the extra food, it is still a waste. Anything that is

more than you need nutritionally is a waste. So, whether you throw

it away or allow it to sit around as fat on your body, it is

wasteful. If you feel really guilty about wasting food, consider

ways to donate it to someone else at your table, a pet, or maybe a

less fortunate person on the street.

Amy

>

> One of the things I'm struggling with right now is eating food

that seems appealing but really isn't. I'm talking about the type of

food I crave because I think it is going to taste really good, but

then isn't very tasty once I start eating it. I keep eating it

anyway. I can't quite figure out what is going on here. Maybe

someone can shed some light on this behavior - it's driving me crazy.

>

> Here's an example. I love Japanese food. I rarely make it for

myself, but I will go to a restaurant and have it. I try to follow

IE and ask myself what I am hungry for. I usually end up getting

sushi and miso soup - my body seems to want to combination of

protein and carbs, plus I feel good when I eat these foods that

taste good and are nutritious. However, another part of me craves

the high-fat, fried foods like gyoza and tempura. I always imagine

that I will enjoy these foods and therefore I order them along with

the sushi. But they rarely meet my expectations. They are usually

greasy and tasteless. I eat them anyway, even if they aren't very

good. I like the crunchy texture but I don't like the grease.

Afterwards I feel sick and am unhappy that I ate something I didn't

like. I say I won't do it again, but I do.

>

> I seem to focus on the few times I have a really good version of

tempura or gyoza somewhere (usually another city!) rather than

remembering that these dishes are usually a disappointment for me.

It's like my judgement is completely off when it comes to certain

foods, and I can't seem to readjust it.

>

> Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as

a " bad " food vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example,

tasted wonderful and was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was

full and then stopped, then under IE it would be OK. But the problem

is that I keep craving something I don't really like. Maybe others

have similar issues with junk food, etc.

>

> Janet

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Janet, do you think this is all a " clean your plate " mentality? Do

you feel that you have to eat it because you paid for it or because

it was wasteful? Do you feel that you will upset the restaurant if

you don't eat it? None of these are good reasons to eat something

but they still drive us to do so sometimes.

If these are thoughts that you have, my IE book points out that even

if you do eat the extra food, it is still a waste. Anything that is

more than you need nutritionally is a waste. So, whether you throw

it away or allow it to sit around as fat on your body, it is

wasteful. If you feel really guilty about wasting food, consider

ways to donate it to someone else at your table, a pet, or maybe a

less fortunate person on the street.

Amy

>

> One of the things I'm struggling with right now is eating food

that seems appealing but really isn't. I'm talking about the type of

food I crave because I think it is going to taste really good, but

then isn't very tasty once I start eating it. I keep eating it

anyway. I can't quite figure out what is going on here. Maybe

someone can shed some light on this behavior - it's driving me crazy.

>

> Here's an example. I love Japanese food. I rarely make it for

myself, but I will go to a restaurant and have it. I try to follow

IE and ask myself what I am hungry for. I usually end up getting

sushi and miso soup - my body seems to want to combination of

protein and carbs, plus I feel good when I eat these foods that

taste good and are nutritious. However, another part of me craves

the high-fat, fried foods like gyoza and tempura. I always imagine

that I will enjoy these foods and therefore I order them along with

the sushi. But they rarely meet my expectations. They are usually

greasy and tasteless. I eat them anyway, even if they aren't very

good. I like the crunchy texture but I don't like the grease.

Afterwards I feel sick and am unhappy that I ate something I didn't

like. I say I won't do it again, but I do.

>

> I seem to focus on the few times I have a really good version of

tempura or gyoza somewhere (usually another city!) rather than

remembering that these dishes are usually a disappointment for me.

It's like my judgement is completely off when it comes to certain

foods, and I can't seem to readjust it.

>

> Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as

a " bad " food vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example,

tasted wonderful and was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was

full and then stopped, then under IE it would be OK. But the problem

is that I keep craving something I don't really like. Maybe others

have similar issues with junk food, etc.

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

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No, it is definitely not a "clean your plate" behavior, although I can see why you might think so. It is more like "I expect this to be good, I refuse to believe it isn't, so I'm going to eat it anyway". It's a type of unconcious eating behavior that does not stop to assess the actual quality of the food, but rather just goes on "automatic pilot". There may be an element of not wanting to upset the restaurant, but if so it is minor. It is more like focusing on what you believe the food experience should be rather than on what it actually is, if that makes any sense. I convince myself I am eating something I like, when I know I'm not. Then I'm unhappy and disgusted with myself :-(

Janet

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Janet, do you think this is all a "clean your plate" mentality? Do you feel that you have to eat it because you paid for it or because it was wasteful? Do you feel that you will upset the restaurant if you don't eat it? None of these are good reasons to eat something but they still drive us to do so sometimes. Amy>> One of the things I'm struggling with right now is eating food that seems appealing but really isn't. I'm talking about the type of food I crave because I think it is going to taste really good, but then isn't very tasty once I start eating it. I keep eating it anyway. I can't quite figure out what is going on here. Maybe someone can shed some light on this behavior - it's driving me crazy.

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Janet, that also sounds like some of the loss experience that some

IEers face. Is it possible that food was more than just food for

you in the past? Did it provide emotional comfort? The book talks

about people who learn to deal with their emotions without food

experience a sadness that foods are no longer as fulfilling as they

used to be. That would be a sign of progress.

No matter what, don't beat yourself up. The fact that you are

highly observant of behavior means that you will get to where you

want to be in time. You'll get there...have patience. :-)

Amy

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> > One of the things I'm struggling with right now is eating food

> that seems appealing but really isn't. I'm talking about the type

of

> food I crave because I think it is going to taste really good, but

> then isn't very tasty once I start eating it. I keep eating it

> anyway. I can't quite figure out what is going on here. Maybe

> someone can shed some light on this behavior - it's driving me

crazy.

>

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Hi Janet --

Just a thought -- perhaps you're craving high quality fat? That

could explain the desire for the tempura. But fried foods aren't

usually high quality so the food ended up feeling greasy without

satisfying the craving?

The three macronutrients are protein, carbohyrates, and fats. Fat is

a nutrient. Did you know that cholestoral is the precurser to

*every* horomone? Bonus -- fat helps me get that " satified " feeling.

After spending I don't know how many years chasing low/no fat diets,

I *really* appreciate the difference.

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> Here's an example. I love Japanese food. I rarely make it for

myself, but I will go to a restaurant and have it. I try to follow

IE and ask myself what I am hungry for. I usually end up getting

sushi and miso soup - my body seems to want to combination of

protein and carbs, plus I feel good when I eat these foods that

taste good and are nutritious. However, another part of me craves

the high-fat, fried foods like gyoza and tempura. I always imagine

that I will enjoy these foods and therefore I order them along with

the sushi. But they rarely meet my expectations. They are usually

greasy and tasteless. I eat them anyway, even if they aren't very

good. I like the crunchy texture but I don't like the grease.

Afterwards I feel sick and am unhappy that I ate something I didn't

like. I say I won't do it again, but I do.

>

> I seem to focus on the few times I have a really good version of

tempura or gyoza somewhere (usually another city!) rather than

remembering that these dishes are usually a disappointment for me.

It's like my judgement is completely off when it comes to certain

foods, and I can't seem to readjust it.

>

> Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as

a " bad " food vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example,

tasted wonderful and was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was

full and then stopped, then under IE it would be OK. But the problem

is that I keep craving something I don't really like. Maybe others

have similar issues with junk food, etc.

>

> Janet

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Janet,

I completely understand what you are talking about. I find that now

that I pay so much more attention to my food when I am eating (instead

of distracting myself), the food doesn't always meet my over-hyped

expectations, particularly if it's a food that I used to fantasize

about as a dieter. I think you are on the verge of making a rule for

yourself that you should never eat food that doesn't taste awesome to

you. I think this is a good guideline, but if you make it an absolute

rule, you will probably just want to rebel against it and eat the

tempura anyway. The fact that you are aware that you are engaging in

this behavior that isn't really working for you is a good first step to

choosing to not eat the tempura if it doesn't taste good...now you will

be more conscious, and I bet that the next time it happens, you will

think, " hmm, this isn't tasting that great. I would prefer if it

tasted better, as good as it was in my head, but since it doesn't I

would prefer to eat my miso soup instead. "

>

> No, it is definitely not a " clean your plate " behavior, although I

can see why you might think so. It is more like " I expect this to be

good, I refuse to believe it isn't, so I'm going to eat it anyway " .

It's a type of unconcious eating behavior that does not stop to assess

the actual quality of the food, but rather just goes on " automatic

pilot " . There may be an element of not wanting to upset the restaurant,

but if so it is minor. It is more like focusing on what you believe the

food experience should be rather than on what it actually is, if that

makes any sense. I convince myself I am eating something I like, when I

know I'm not. Then I'm unhappy and disgusted with myself :-(

>

> Janet

>

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That's a really interesting idea - I never thought of that. Probably because I'm just starting to think about food as something my body needs. I'm more used to thinking about it as something I crave emotionally. I will try to consider if what I really want is something with extra virgin olive oil or flax oil instead of fried foods and see what happens. Thanks! - Janet

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Hi Janet --Just a thought -- perhaps you're craving high quality fat? That could explain the desire for the tempura. But fried foods aren't usually high quality so the food ended up feeling greasy without satisfying the craving? >>

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I have that crunch factor thing too Janet...and I think its the crunch factor, just like there is the fizz factor (soda) and the grease factor (though I dont like greasy food so I dont have to deal with that one)

I wonder if you ordered some of those crunchy noodles to throw in your soup if that would satisfy that urge, and save you money etc. too!

I had a crunch attack aroiund Thanksgiving and bought Mothers Gingerbread cookies and YUM I ate so many but then I started to feel icky every time I ate them so I bought Crackerjack rice cakes and those are now satisfying the same urge. It is not about dieting, it is about satisfying a crunch attack without really over eating.

And for me it is NOT emotional. It is simply, a crunch attack. LOL.

If I eat soup, I need whole wheat bread or crackers to go with it or I don't feel satisfied so I am always sure to include something crunchy in my meals even if it is nuts.

Janet, do you think this is all a " clean your plate " mentality? Do you feel that you have to eat it because you paid for it or because it was wasteful? Do you feel that you will upset the restaurant if you don't eat it? None of these are good reasons to eat something but they still drive us to do so sometimes. If these are thoughts that you have, my IE book points out that even if you do eat the extra food, it is still a waste. Anything that is more than you need nutritionally is a waste. So, whether you throw it away or allow it to sit around as fat on your body, it is wasteful. If you feel really guilty about wasting food, consider ways to donate it to someone else at your table, a pet, or maybe a less fortunate person on the street.Amy>> One of the things I'm struggling with right now is eating food that seems appealing but really isn't. I'm talking about the type of food I crave because I think it is going to taste really good, but then isn't very tasty once I start eating it. I keep eating it anyway. I can't quite figure out what is going on here. Maybe someone can shed some light on this behavior - it's driving me crazy.

> > Here's an example. I love Japanese food. I rarely make it for myself, but I will go to a restaurant and have it. I try to follow IE and ask myself what I am hungry for. I usually end up getting

sushi and miso soup - my body seems to want to combination of protein and carbs, plus I feel good when I eat these foods that taste good and are nutritious. However, another part of me craves the high-fat, fried foods like gyoza and tempura. I always imagine that I will enjoy these foods and therefore I order them along with the sushi. But they rarely meet my expectations. They are usually greasy and tasteless. I eat them anyway, even if they aren't very good. I like the crunchy texture but I don't like the grease. Afterwards I feel sick and am unhappy that I ate something I didn't like. I say I won't do it again, but I do.> > I seem to focus on the few times I have a really good version of tempura or gyoza somewhere (usually another city!) rather than remembering that these dishes are usually a disappointment for me. It's like my judgement is completely off when it comes to certain foods, and I can't seem to readjust it.> > Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as a " bad " food vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example, tasted wonderful and was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was full and then stopped, then under IE it would be OK. But the problem is that I keep craving something I don't really like. Maybe others have similar issues with junk food, etc. > > Janet> > > > __________________________________________________________

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I do this sometimes, but I'm getting better about not eating something if I

don't really like it. If a dessert looks delish and I take a bite and it's

not so great, I try not to eat it. I know " try " sounds odd, but sometimes I

don't want to insult the hostess or I'm just sitting there and everyone else

is eating and I start picking at it. I then feel annoyed at myself for

eating something that really didn't taste very good. I've gotten much, much

better about sending food back in restaurants too. If I order french fries

and they're not hot, I'm sending them back!

Sometimes there's a food you haven't allowed yourself for a long time and

when you finally decide to eat it, you've built it up to be soooo great --

and it turns out it's not really that great. It's disappointing, but eating

it anyway isn't going to make it taste any better.

>

>Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as a " bad " food

>vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example, tasted wonderful and

>was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was full and then stopped, then

>under IE it would be OK. But the problem is that I keep craving something I

>don't really like. Maybe others have similar issues with junk food, etc.

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I do this sometimes, but I'm getting better about not eating something if I

don't really like it. If a dessert looks delish and I take a bite and it's

not so great, I try not to eat it. I know " try " sounds odd, but sometimes I

don't want to insult the hostess or I'm just sitting there and everyone else

is eating and I start picking at it. I then feel annoyed at myself for

eating something that really didn't taste very good. I've gotten much, much

better about sending food back in restaurants too. If I order french fries

and they're not hot, I'm sending them back!

Sometimes there's a food you haven't allowed yourself for a long time and

when you finally decide to eat it, you've built it up to be soooo great --

and it turns out it's not really that great. It's disappointing, but eating

it anyway isn't going to make it taste any better.

>

>Does anyone else have this problem? I don't really see this as a " bad " food

>vs. " good " food issue. If the tempura, for example, tasted wonderful and

>was what I wanted to eat, and I ate until I was full and then stopped, then

>under IE it would be OK. But the problem is that I keep craving something I

>don't really like. Maybe others have similar issues with junk food, etc.

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