Re: /Baudhuin

[Guest guest]

Dear Aimee, Baudhuin has changed so much since my son was there that I hesitate to speak knowledgeably about it. That said, it seems that everyone whose child has gone there has had either the "good" Baudhuin experience or the bad. My child had the good experience, it was a wonderful two years for him. I can only suggest that you observe a few classes there and compare it to what he's getting in Complex Place. Aimee Tamarit wrote: Hi, My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the

Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program. Thank you for any and all information! Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD Traci and all, Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong. What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it. My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a

combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT. Regards,

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[Guest guest]

Hi Aimee and list, Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are

considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that. With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem. I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him

in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done. I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met. Take care, Amy Cohen Aimee Tamarit wrote: Hi, My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School

System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program. Thank you for any and all information! Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD Traci and all, Thank you

for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong. What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it. My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of

behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT. Regards,

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[Guest guest]

Well said Amy. You are exactly right on all points. Great advice!!!

-----Original Message-----From: Amy Cohen Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

Hi Aimee and list,

Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that.

With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem.

I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done.

I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met.

Take care,

Amy Cohen

Aimee Tamarit wrote:

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

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[Guest guest]

My son currently attends Baudhuin. He spent a little over a year in complex place and I was unhappy with his teacher. We have had a great experience at Baudhuin. I am happy and I can tell my son is happier there too. I'm sure it all depends on the teacher you get and you can get a good or bad one anywhere. He has Joanna Gan and she's great. Aside from that they have a lot more therapists on staff. There is a seperate O/T room. They have beautiful play grounds and water play. They go to the gym every week and participate in moving and grooving every week as well. I wouldn't have moved him solely for these perks but I am happy that we have them. He is after all in preschool and I want him to have fun too.

I heard a lot of good and bad before I put him there. My husband and I did go and take a tour and I can't think of one unpleasant experience so far. Good luck.

- Original Message -----

From: Aimee Tamarit

To: sList

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:12 PM

Subject: /Baudhuin

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all the advice. If I can ask you a question about speech therapy......The speech therapist comes into the class once a week for 30 mins. I was used to him getting one on one ST up until he was 3....I just don't feel that the 30 mins of group ST is enough for him. For whatever reason he has turned from non-verbal to using about 30 words since October and I just want to reinforce his progress. I spoke with the speech therapist at his IEP meeting and she said that she doesn't feel that he would benefit from her seeing him one on one because he is not ready for what she can offer him (articulation) but if I wanted to get speech therapy privately then I should do that....anything that I can do for him would be beneficial. I guess I am just confused. Why wouldn't she see him, but I should seek out someone on my own?

I don't know if I am making any sense, but I would be greatly appreciative of any other input/advice that you might have for me.

Thanks so much,

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of Amy CohenSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

Hi Aimee and list,

Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that.

With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem.

I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done.

I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met.

Take care,

Amy Cohen

Aimee Tamarit wrote:

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much! I just might do that.

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:19 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

Dear Aimee,

Baudhuin has changed so much since my son was there that I hesitate to speak knowledgeably about it. That said, it seems that everyone whose child has gone there has had either the "good" Baudhuin experience or the bad. My child had the good experience, it was a wonderful two years for him. I can only suggest that you observe a few classes there and compare it to what he's getting in Complex Place.

Aimee Tamarit wrote:

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

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[Guest guest]

My son is 2 and he goes to speech twice a week, 45 min sessions. He goes to Miami Children's Dan Marino Center. How old is your son? That doesn't make any sense to me either. It was my understanding that any therapy we could get them would only help them in the long run. I would get a second opinion. My son therapist is Randi. She is wonderful with him. I see changes in him weekly. Traci (Aidans Mom)

RE: /Baudhuin

Thank you so much for all the advice. If I can ask you a question about speech therapy......The speech therapist comes into the class once a week for 30 mins. I was used to him getting one on one ST up until he was 3....I just don't feel that the 30 mins of group ST is enough for him. For whatever reason he has turned from non-verbal to using about 30 words since October and I just want to reinforce his progress. I spoke with the speech therapist at his IEP meeting and she said that she doesn't feel that he would benefit from her seeing him one on one because he is not ready for what she can offer him (articulation) but if I wanted to get speech therapy privately then I should do that....anything that I can do for him would be beneficial. I guess I am just confused. Why wouldn't she see him, but I should seek out someone on my own?

I don't know if I am making any sense, but I would be greatly appreciative of any other input/advice that you might have for me.

Thanks so much,

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of Amy CohenSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

Hi Aimee and list,

Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that.

With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem.

I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done.

I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met.

Take care,

Amy Cohen

Aimee Tamarit wrote:

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

[Guest guest]

Aimee, After having spent many years fighting for more speech therapy in the classroom, I realized that with a couple of exceptions, your child will benefit much more from private speech therapy than with what he/she will get in school. If your insurance will pay for it, private is the way to go. Aimee Tamarit wrote: Thank you so much for all the advice. If I can ask you a question about speech therapy......The speech therapist comes into the class once a week for 30 mins. I was used to him getting one on one ST up until he was 3....I just don't feel that the 30 mins of group ST is enough for him. For whatever reason he has turned from

non-verbal to using about 30 words since October and I just want to reinforce his progress. I spoke with the speech therapist at his IEP meeting and she said that she doesn't feel that he would benefit from her seeing him one on one because he is not ready for what she can offer him (articulation) but if I wanted to get speech therapy privately then I should do that....anything that I can do for him would be beneficial. I guess I am just confused. Why wouldn't she see him, but I should seek out someone on my own? I don't know if I am making any sense, but I would be greatly appreciative of any other input/advice that you might have for me. Thanks so much, Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of Amy CohenSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin Hi Aimee and list, Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has

openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that. With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine

if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem. I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done. I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met. Take care, Amy Cohen Aimee Tamarit wrote: Hi, My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program. Thank you for any and all information! Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD Traci and all, Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong. What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and

support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it. My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT. Regards, What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Aimee, After having spent many years fighting for more speech therapy in the classroom, I realized that with a couple of exceptions, your child will benefit much more from private speech therapy than with what he/she will get in school. If your insurance will pay for it, private is the way to go. Aimee Tamarit wrote: Thank you so much for all the advice. If I can ask you a question about speech therapy......The speech therapist comes into the class once a week for 30 mins. I was used to him getting one on one ST up until he was 3....I just don't feel that the 30 mins of group ST is enough for him. For whatever reason he has turned from

non-verbal to using about 30 words since October and I just want to reinforce his progress. I spoke with the speech therapist at his IEP meeting and she said that she doesn't feel that he would benefit from her seeing him one on one because he is not ready for what she can offer him (articulation) but if I wanted to get speech therapy privately then I should do that....anything that I can do for him would be beneficial. I guess I am just confused. Why wouldn't she see him, but I should seek out someone on my own? I don't know if I am making any sense, but I would be greatly appreciative of any other input/advice that you might have for me. Thanks so much, Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of Amy CohenSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin Hi Aimee and list, Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has

openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that. With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine

if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem. I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done. I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met. Take care, Amy Cohen Aimee Tamarit wrote: Hi, My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program. Thank you for any and all information! Aimee~ From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD Traci and all, Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong. What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and

support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it. My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT. Regards, What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos __________________________________________________

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I want to respond to both questions regarding speech and the possible switch to Baudhuin.

First, I know it is very frustrating for parents (and some teachers) to understand why Pre-K students with Autism(complex PLACE and Baudhuin) get very limited speech services, if at all. The reasoning behind this is because it is a language based program... Meaning that what your child's teacher should be doing is language activities ALL day. They should be bombarding your child with language/communication all day- using all means possible (signs, pictures, and words)- teaching them HOW and WHY to communicate. This is very different than what they would receive from a typical class. So, basically the teacher is doing the exact thing that a speech path would except that a speech teacher may only see them for 30 minutes. So, really, they are getting MUCH more! I know you may be thinking, "yeah, but they are not a speech teacher" but they are consulting (or should be) with a Speech path to get suggestions and ideas if and when they need them. Now, not only is this the teacher's job but also yours as the parent to be constantly bombarding them with language at home. It needs to be nonstop- do not give them that juice or cookie until they communicate to you somehow to get it...Do NOT let them just go into the fridge and get it themselves- have them communicate to you somehow that they want something (have photos, Boardmaker pictures... on your fridge and they bring you the picture...or sign,...). Use these very powerful times to teach them communication. Make them work for EVERYTHING! Put their favorite toys in a locked cabinet where they cannot get to them unless they request it somehow... I know this is ALOT of extra work for you- but in the long run it is best for your child. (By the way, you may see your child get more frustrated, but as soon as they learn that all they have to do is communicate, those behaviors decrease). Don't expect your child's teacher or speech teacher to be a miracle worker- but together as a team- with you being part of that team- you will see progress- it may be slow- but appreciate those small victories.

Now, on the subject of switching to Baudhuin from Complex PLACE... I was a complex PLACE teacher in the past, so let me tell you from my experiences what I feel. It totally depends on what you want out of a program. Yes, Baudhuin is a CENTER school. So, yes, it completely caters to only your child- where complex PLACE is in a public school- so that is only one program of many at that school...HOWEVER, there is a drastic change for Baudhuin families when Kindergarten comes and they have to move to that BIG public school. It is a very BIG transition. Where, sometimes it is easier for the child if they have always been at the public school (in complex PLACE), so it is not as scary a transition when they start Kindergarten. Another point is that Baudhuin teachers and Complex PLACE teachers have the same trainings- so they both have the same knowledge and strategies. And just to reiterate what someone already said- there are great and not so great teachers at every school. I have heard great stories about Baudhuin and also not so great... but same goes for complex PLACE. If you tour Baudhuin- you will love it- because it is a beautiful building! But, remember a building is not what teaches your child- it is the people. So, I am not for either side- I think they are both great programs and we are lucky that we have options! Both programs are teaching great skills to our little guys! But, you as parents need to be knowledgeable about everything- talk to people, tour, and see what your gut tells you about what will fit you and your child. Most importantly, your child. But the bottom line is- you are your child's first teacher- you are who needs to be working with the teachers to help your child progress and be happy!

McKee Palelis

Reply-To: sList To: <sList >Subject: RE: /BaudhuinDate: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:41:42 -0500

My son is 4. He used to go to Dan Marino Center and see Helen. I know of Randi and I hear that she is really good. He used to go twice a week for 30 min sessions. I changed his therapist because I didn't think that she was right for him. I ended up getting in home therapy and she was wonderful. She really worked well with him and we were all sad when he turned 3. I still keep in touch with her. I guess I should ask her opinion. I know that she had always told me that he should get all the therapy he could as early as possible....that's when the language part of their brain is really developing.

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of TraciSent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:24 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

My son is 2 and he goes to speech twice a week, 45 min sessions. He goes to Miami Children's Dan Marino Center. How old is your son? That doesn't make any sense to me either. It was my understanding that any therapy we could get them would only help them in the long run. I would get a second opinion. My son therapist is Randi. She is wonderful with him. I see changes in him weekly. Traci (Aidans Mom)

RE: /Baudhuin

Thank you so much for all the advice. If I can ask you a question about speech therapy......The speech therapist comes into the class once a week for 30 mins. I was used to him getting one on one ST up until he was 3....I just don't feel that the 30 mins of group ST is enough for him. For whatever reason he has turned from non-verbal to using about 30 words since October and I just want to reinforce his progress. I spoke with the speech therapist at his IEP meeting and she said that she doesn't feel that he would benefit from her seeing him one on one because he is not ready for what she can offer him (articulation) but if I wanted to get speech therapy privately then I should do that....anything that I can do for him would be beneficial. I guess I am just confused. Why wouldn't she see him, but I should seek out someone on my own?

I don't know if I am making any sense, but I would be greatly appreciative of any other input/advice that you might have for me.

Thanks so much,

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of Amy CohenSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:20 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: /Baudhuin

Hi Aimee and list,

Regarding your question of Complex PLACE and Baudhuin. I teach a Complex PLACE class. The way I understand it is the following. The Complex PLACE classes and classes at Baudhuin are supposed to be comparable, in that they are supposed to meet the educational needs of children with autism and other complex disabilities. I think that Baudhuin is specifically for children with autism while Complex PLACE can have other children with disabilities in it (although my personal experience is that they almost never do). I know that if Baudhuin has openings when their child is being enrolled, parents have the option to enroll their child there instead of in their neighborhood Complex PLACE class. However, if Baudhuin is full, then the children are served in the Complex PLACE class. I also am pretty sure that you can request for your child to go there next year (while there are still openings). However, because there are no more openings and the programs are considered equally appropriate for a child with autism, I think you will not be able to get him there this year. Any listers please correct me if I am wrong with all of that.

With that being said, if you feel that your child's educational needs are not being met, speak up! No matter where he is, his needs should be met in an educationally appropriate manner. Make sure his IEP goals are relevant and appropriate. If the goals are inappropriate, ask for an interim IEP (it's your right). Ask to see the teacher's data to determine if goals are met. Try to brainstorm together if they are not to find a solution to the problem.

I guess my point here is that I think a class is as good as the staff involved. I have met many excellent Complex PLACE teachers as well as excellent teachers at Baudhuin. Ask to observe at Baudhuin (also something you can do) and if you think it's the right placement, then work to get him in there. With that said, maybe I'm an idealist but I feel if your son is appropriately placed, the Complex PLACE class should be able to meet his needs. If it's not, then that's where the team needs to reconvene and figure out how to get it done.

I wish you well. I can imagine that it is hard to send him to a place where you feel his needs aren't being met.

Take care,

Amy Cohen

Aimee Tamarit wrote:

Hi,

My name is Aimee and I have a 4yr old boy who is autistic. He attends Complex Place through the Broward School System but I was thinking about a preschool specificily for special needs/autistic children like Baudhuin. Can you tell me anything about it? Have you been happy with it? I just feel that my son isn't getting all that he can from this program.

Thank you for any and all information!

Aimee~

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of KarpSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AMTo: sList Subject: Re: Chelatin Therapy is Quackery By R. Laidler, MD

Traci and all,

Thank you for recognizing that it is my aim, to keep a "fair and balanced" list, and not support one viewpoint over another, even (or especially) when I have a strong feeling that one side is right and the other wrong.

What I will not tolerate on this list is one side being bullied by those who are strong adherents on one side or another. In this complicated spectrum called autism, there is no right or wrong, only what works for each one of us. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to stick together and support all the efforts made to solve this terrifying puzzle, rather than bashing one group or another because they're not spending their money or research hours on what one faction deems to be the right place to spend it.

My own child, who is far from "cured," if there is such a thing, has nevertheless come an astonishingly long way since Baudhuin, without biomedical treatments, using a combination of behavioral and educational interventions, and constant speech and OT.

Regards,

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