Re: Re: Life as a fat person

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I appreciate your point and agree with you whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, I KNOW that she doesn't obsess about food...or her weight. She is a normal eater... sometimes underweight... she looks too thin to most people. She is one that forgets to eat.... and then when she remembers will order a dessert for 2 and make it her meal when we're at a restaurant. I apologize if I lead anyone to believe that the relationship was over because of this one issue... it's much more than that... just a matter of growing in different directions and the weight issue has seemed to become the straw that broke the camel's back.Thanks again... I welcome your input.amytherrien wrote: Hi , I hope this doesn't come off too defensive. In regard to the anger towards your skinny friend, remember that she might be just as tormented and obsessed with food as you. She might spend every minute of the daying worrying and stressing about how much and what to eat. If you can look past the weight numbers (like you would like other people to do to you, I'm sure), you might find that you have more in common that you previously thought. No matter what our sizes are, we will be better off with a healthy intuitive relationship with food. I also tend to believe that we have an easier time acheiving goals (like good health) if we work together instead of trying to emphasize

the differences between us. Good friends are so hard to come by. I hope you guys can work it out. Best of luck, Amy

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I appreciate your point and agree with you whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, I KNOW that she doesn't obsess about food...or her weight. She is a normal eater... sometimes underweight... she looks too thin to most people. She is one that forgets to eat.... and then when she remembers will order a dessert for 2 and make it her meal when we're at a restaurant. I apologize if I lead anyone to believe that the relationship was over because of this one issue... it's much more than that... just a matter of growing in different directions and the weight issue has seemed to become the straw that broke the camel's back.Thanks again... I welcome your input.amytherrien wrote: Hi , I hope this doesn't come off too defensive. In regard to the anger towards your skinny friend, remember that she might be just as tormented and obsessed with food as you. She might spend every minute of the daying worrying and stressing about how much and what to eat. If you can look past the weight numbers (like you would like other people to do to you, I'm sure), you might find that you have more in common that you previously thought. No matter what our sizes are, we will be better off with a healthy intuitive relationship with food. I also tend to believe that we have an easier time acheiving goals (like good health) if we work together instead of trying to emphasize

the differences between us. Good friends are so hard to come by. I hope you guys can work it out. Best of luck, Amy

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I appreciate your point and agree with you whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, I KNOW that she doesn't obsess about food...or her weight. She is a normal eater... sometimes underweight... she looks too thin to most people. She is one that forgets to eat.... and then when she remembers will order a dessert for 2 and make it her meal when we're at a restaurant. I apologize if I lead anyone to believe that the relationship was over because of this one issue... it's much more than that... just a matter of growing in different directions and the weight issue has seemed to become the straw that broke the camel's back.Thanks again... I welcome your input.amytherrien wrote: Hi , I hope this doesn't come off too defensive. In regard to the anger towards your skinny friend, remember that she might be just as tormented and obsessed with food as you. She might spend every minute of the daying worrying and stressing about how much and what to eat. If you can look past the weight numbers (like you would like other people to do to you, I'm sure), you might find that you have more in common that you previously thought. No matter what our sizes are, we will be better off with a healthy intuitive relationship with food. I also tend to believe that we have an easier time acheiving goals (like good health) if we work together instead of trying to emphasize

the differences between us. Good friends are so hard to come by. I hope you guys can work it out. Best of luck, Amy

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I don't want to get into a debate over whether my friend is a healthy eater or not. She eats when she is hungry... sometimes she eats outside of hunger. Sometimes she chooses to get dessert for her meal when she's is in the middle of PMS. Otherwise she eats very healthy choices. Some think she's underweight at 105 lbs and 5' 4"... She is thinner than I think she should be but her eating habits are healthy. IE teaches to eat when you're hungry... she does that. IE also teaches that you can eat dessert... just inside the boundaries of hunger and satiety.... she does that. I consider her behavior completely healthy... and that of a normal eater.amytherrien wrote: Wow, , those don't sound like very healthy eating habits: eating dessert for a meal, forgetting to eat, and being underweight. To me, it sounds like she has a lot of room for improvement in regard to living healthy. I remember reading in "Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program that works" how one of the author's clients spoke about how she looked up to another one of the author's clients. She wanted to be thin and healthy like other other client. It turned out the other skinny client was battling with well-hidden bulemia. I guess it can be hard to see sometimes.

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I don't want to get into a debate over whether my friend is a healthy eater or not. She eats when she is hungry... sometimes she eats outside of hunger. Sometimes she chooses to get dessert for her meal when she's is in the middle of PMS. Otherwise she eats very healthy choices. Some think she's underweight at 105 lbs and 5' 4"... She is thinner than I think she should be but her eating habits are healthy. IE teaches to eat when you're hungry... she does that. IE also teaches that you can eat dessert... just inside the boundaries of hunger and satiety.... she does that. I consider her behavior completely healthy... and that of a normal eater.amytherrien wrote: Wow, , those don't sound like very healthy eating habits: eating dessert for a meal, forgetting to eat, and being underweight. To me, it sounds like she has a lot of room for improvement in regard to living healthy. I remember reading in "Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program that works" how one of the author's clients spoke about how she looked up to another one of the author's clients. She wanted to be thin and healthy like other other client. It turned out the other skinny client was battling with well-hidden bulemia. I guess it can be hard to see sometimes.

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I don't want to get into a debate over whether my friend is a healthy eater or not. She eats when she is hungry... sometimes she eats outside of hunger. Sometimes she chooses to get dessert for her meal when she's is in the middle of PMS. Otherwise she eats very healthy choices. Some think she's underweight at 105 lbs and 5' 4"... She is thinner than I think she should be but her eating habits are healthy. IE teaches to eat when you're hungry... she does that. IE also teaches that you can eat dessert... just inside the boundaries of hunger and satiety.... she does that. I consider her behavior completely healthy... and that of a normal eater.amytherrien wrote: Wow, , those don't sound like very healthy eating habits: eating dessert for a meal, forgetting to eat, and being underweight. To me, it sounds like she has a lot of room for improvement in regard to living healthy. I remember reading in "Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program that works" how one of the author's clients spoke about how she looked up to another one of the author's clients. She wanted to be thin and healthy like other other client. It turned out the other skinny client was battling with well-hidden bulemia. I guess it can be hard to see sometimes.

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Hi everyone, - I really appreciated your post. And about your friend - you're right in that her experience is not the same as yours and the two shouldn't be compared. It's one thing for her to be concerned about 5 lbs, but she should understand that there is a difference between being 5 lbs "overweight" and 70lbs overweight. I would be offended and frustrated in that situation. Your post also made me realize that it's pretty ridiculous for me to be so obsessed about 10 or so pounds. I recently made it down to a BMI in the healthy range, but I'm still concerned about 10 pounds. And why? Will my life be so much better? Will I be healthier? Will society treat me differently? Perhaps...I've found that i'm treated a little differently when I lose a little weight, but I think it's mostly because I become more confident, and it's the confidence

that results in the change in how I'm treated. But life is to short to be so concerned about that crap. Although knowing that doesn't mean that I'm able to feel that way all of the time. It's hard to get over the insecurities. Has anyone read - "Do I look fat in this? Life doesn't begin 5 pounds from now" by Weiner? I skimmed through it at and Noble about a year ago and enjoyed it. Just the title is important - because how many of us have thought - I'll get a new bathing suit when I lose __ pounds. Or I'll go to the beach when I look good in a bathing suit. I certainly have. About Self magazine - I thought it was "healthy" as well, but now i'm having doubts. Too much focus on dieting, and then a lot of their ads are for weight loss pills. Seems very hypocritical to me, especially when they have articles saying that weight loss pills are

not the way to lose weight. I also found that the Self forums were not especially healthy either - really focusing on numbers of calories eaten, etc. And Kirstie Alley - she does look good. I hope she's not lying about her weight, because that would be frustrating considering how open she's been about her weight loss process. And it's nice that she lost the weight without hiring a chef or a personal trainer. anyways, all for now. :)Sara Day wrote: I don't want to get into a debate over whether my friend is a healthy eater or not. She eats when she is hungry... sometimes she eats outside of hunger. Sometimes she chooses to get dessert for her meal when she's is in the middle of PMS. Otherwise she eats very healthy choices. Some think she's underweight at 105 lbs and 5' 4"... She is thinner than I think she should be but her eating habits are healthy. IE teaches to eat when you're hungry... she does that. IE also teaches that you can eat dessert... just inside the boundaries of hunger and satiety.... she does that. I consider her behavior completely healthy... and that of a normal eater.amytherrien <amytherrien> wrote: Wow, , those don't sound like very healthy eating habits: eating dessert for a meal, forgetting to eat, and being underweight. To me, it sounds like she has a lot of room for improvement in regard to living healthy.I remember reading in "Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program that works" how one of the author's clients spoke about how she looked up to another one of the author's clients. She wanted to be thin and healthy like other other client. It turned out the other skinny client was battling with well-hidden bulemia. I guess it can be hard to see sometimes. Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

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Sara... thanks for your support... I appreciate your response.btw... Kirstie Alley does have a personal trainer... and NutraSystem provides the food in the first phase of their program... and then slowly you are taught how to eat on your own. I do question what she proclaims her weight to be... it would be sad if she's lying about her weight... because it would appear that she still has some work to do on the inside rather than just on her eating.I haven't read the book you mention by Weiner but I have read her other chick-lit books. I really enjoy them!Sara wrote: Hi everyone, - I really appreciated your post. And about your friend - you're right in that her experience is not the same as yours and the two shouldn't be compared. It's one thing for her to be concerned about 5 lbs, but she should understand that there is a difference between being 5 lbs "overweight" and 70lbs overweight. I would be offended and frustrated in that situation. __________________________________________________

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not just jenny craig, but her personal trainer and nutritionist as well. Oh, if only we all could afford that. haha. I''d hate to rag on her because she has done something wonderful for herself...but i think jenny craig is sort of taking it to the extreme saying look what can happen if you join! which is sort of a lie.Sandi wrote: Isn't Kirstie Alley doing what we aren't supposed to be doing--dieting restrictively. I think it's great for her to have lost so much weight, but she's done it on

JENNY CRAIG, the antithesis of Intuitive Eating. Her weight has gone up and down so many times, I doubt she has a clue about what hunger is and how entrenched she is in the diet mentality.Sorry, it's just something that struck me as I read these posts about her.Sandi > Hi everyone,> > - I really appreciated your post. And about your friend -you're right in that her experience is not the same as yours and the two shouldn't be compared. It's one thing for her to be concerned about 5 lbs, but she should understand that there is a difference between being 5 lbs "overweight" and 70lbs overweight. I would be offended and frustrated in that situation. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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Yes, Kirstie is dieting, and we hope for

her sake that she doesn’t end up like most people and put all that weight

back on.

It is fun to watch her shrink and have

fun and make money doing it.

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[mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of Sandi

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006

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Re: Life as a fat person

Isn't Kirstie Alley doing what we aren't supposed to

be doing--

dieting restrictively. I think it's great for her to have lost so

much weight, but she's done it on JENNY CRAIG, the antithesis of

Intuitive Eating. Her weight has gone up and down so many times, I

doubt she has a clue about what hunger is and how entrenched she is

in the diet mentality.

Sorry, it's just something that struck me as I read these posts about

her.

Sandi

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> - I really appreciated your post. And about your friend -

you're right in that her experience is not the same as yours and the

two shouldn't be compared. It's one thing for her to be concerned

about 5 lbs, but she should understand that there is a difference

between being 5 lbs " overweight " and 70lbs overweight. I would be

offended and frustrated in that situation.

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