Re: glyset

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Dear D.J.,

I don't have your answer, but I looked up Glyset at RxList.com, and it says

the initial dose is usually 25 mg, 3 times daily (given with the first bite

of each main meal), gradually brought up to 50 mg, 3 x day. One-hour

postprandial testing is recommended to determine the minimum effective dose.

Maximum dose is 100 mg, 3 x day. As always, RxList emphasizes that diet and

weight loss are the primary treatment methods for type 2.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie, thanks for the information. I pasted it on to her. She is trying to

lose weight but its been hard for her. I think she would do better if she

could exercise more, but its very hard on her to do that at almost 400

pounds. She is trying to come to terms with a diet she can live with and

still lose weight. The dietitians keep trying to put her on a " normal " diet

and that doesn't work for her. She ends up falling off the diet. 1400

calories just don't work for her. Thanks again D.J.

Re: glyset

> Dear D.J.,

>

> I don't have your answer, but I looked up Glyset at RxList.com, and it

says

> the initial dose is usually 25 mg, 3 times daily (given with the first

bite

> of each main meal), gradually brought up to 50 mg, 3 x day. One-hour

> postprandial testing is recommended to determine the minimum effective

dose.

> Maximum dose is 100 mg, 3 x day. As always, RxList emphasizes that diet

and

> weight loss are the primary treatment methods for type 2.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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You might tell her to look at http://www.healthyexchanges.com

There are three free sample recipes.

Search for Healthy Exchanges or Joanna Lund on Amazon.com.

Re: glyset

>Susie, thanks for the information. I pasted it on to her. She is trying to

>lose weight but its been hard for her. I think she would do better if she

>could exercise more, but its very hard on her to do that at almost 400

>pounds. She is trying to come to terms with a diet she can live with and

>still lose weight. The dietitians keep trying to put her on a " normal "

diet

>and that doesn't work for her. She ends up falling off the diet. 1400

>calories just don't work for her. Thanks again D.J.

> Re: glyset

>

>

>> Dear D.J.,

>>

>> I don't have your answer, but I looked up Glyset at RxList.com, and it

>says

>> the initial dose is usually 25 mg, 3 times daily (given with the first

>bite

>> of each main meal), gradually brought up to 50 mg, 3 x day. One-hour

>> postprandial testing is recommended to determine the minimum effective

>dose.

>> Maximum dose is 100 mg, 3 x day. As always, RxList emphasizes that diet

>and

>> weight loss are the primary treatment methods for type 2.

>>

>> Susie

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Public website for Diabetes International:

>> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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[Guest guest]

1400 calories sounds like it's just not enough, especially to start out.

Perhaps if they started her at something more reasonable (2000-2200

calories) and then had her decrease after she's been successful at that

level, it would work better for her. It's hard to make changes; such a

drastic change is just too much for some people.

I wish her lots of luck.

Robin G.

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>Subject: Re: glyset

>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:01:48 -0800

>

>Susie, thanks for the information. I pasted it on to her. She is trying to

>lose weight but its been hard for her. I think she would do better if she

>could exercise more, but its very hard on her to do that at almost 400

>pounds. She is trying to come to terms with a diet she can live with and

>still lose weight. The dietitians keep trying to put her on a " normal "

>diet

>and that doesn't work for her. She ends up falling off the diet. 1400

>calories just don't work for her. Thanks again D.J.

> >

>

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I have two very overweight friends who have both lost 50-60 pounds in six

months by reducing their carbohydrate intake to 60 grams per day without

exercising. I have always seen lowcarb work for weight loss, but this is

only MHO. I recommend Carbohydrate Addicts for how and why it all works.

Barb

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It's hard to make changes; such a

> drastic change is just too much for some people.

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D.J. wrote:

<< ... I think she would do better if she could exercise more, but its very

hard on her to do that at almost 400 pounds. She is trying to come to terms

with a diet she can live with and still lose weight. The dietitians keep

trying to put her on a " normal " diet and that doesn't work for her. She

ends up falling off the diet. 1400 calories just don't work for her. >>

It's a terrible shock sometimes to people when their doctors tell them

they're morbidly obese, which means in short, " At this weight you'll

probably die soon! " Even people who weight 250-300 can be morbidly obese.

The threshhold is twice your ideal weight. A ketogenic-level low-carb diet

would probably work well for her. It's so hard to get the ball rolling. If

we have 20-30 pounds to lose, a diet doesn't seem so daunting, but when we

envision having to lose 250 pounds, even a two-pound weight loss per week

isn't enough encouragement to stay the course for months and months. The

beauty of low-carb for the very obese is that there is this amazing weight

loss during the first few weeks that spurs them on. And they don't have to

give up many of the foods they miss so much on very-long-term diets.

The other problem is they are putting her on what can feel like a starvation

diet to a person who is half her weight. I've driven tractor-trailers that

make less than 4 miles per gallon. She has a big engine to keep going. If

you can educate her and encourage her to try, just for a few months, one of

the ketogenic diets, and she can lose even 50 pounds, she'll be more able to

exercise. At her present weight, any exercise is probably dangerous. I hope

she can find doctors and dietitians who don't blame her for her weight. Many

of us are just born with different genes. We cannot tolerate a diet that is

high in processed grains such as pasta, rice, cereal, bread, etc. It sets up

food cravings. I assume she is not diabetic - yet? If so, there are some

online groups that don't focus on diabetes but on successful weight loss. In

the process, they teach us not to lose self-esteem, just because our bodies

cannot adjust to our modern diet. I'd be happy to dig up the subscription

info for those groups, if your friend can access the internet.

This is the beauty of the group, D.J. - we educate ourselves and help each

other, and the next thing you know, we're reaching out to others as well.

All five of my sisters are now moderately low-carbing - even the vegetarian

.... even the rheumatoid arthritis/Sjogren's sister, who used to declare,

" I'll never follow a diet that doesn't include chocolate! "

Susie )

Susie

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Robin, you would think that but they always start her out so low, she is

unable to stick to it. I want so much to help her, we have been friends for

over 20 years.I was hoping the glyset would help her, but she hasn't lose

any weight yet from it. I don't want to lose her. The doctor told her to get

some of those weight watchers meals at the store, but she is hungry after

even 2 of them. Also that makes her sugar go sky high. I'm trying to help

her get counseling on her medical program {she is on SSI and S.S. } but its

hard to find a program that will take her that can give her the kind of help

she needs.As much as I want to help her, I know I'm not the one who can,I

have my own problems with food,and she is what I afraid of becoming, and I'm

a reminded of what she is not.We know weight gives her an excuse for what

isn't right in her life { this after many talks thur the years} and I was

always told to be fat was to be unlovable.She doesn't have a computer,and

I've told her she can come over to use mine.It is hard for her to get out of

the house as her legs swell up so bad. Thanks D.J.

Re: glyset

> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:01:48 -0800

> >

> >Susie, thanks for the information. I pasted it on to her. She is trying

to

> >lose weight but its been hard for her. I think she would do better if

she

> >could exercise more, but its very hard on her to do that at almost 400

> >pounds. She is trying to come to terms with a diet she can live with and

> >still lose weight. The dietitians keep trying to put her on a " normal "

> >diet

> >and that doesn't work for her. She ends up falling off the diet. 1400

> >calories just don't work for her. Thanks again D.J.

>

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi D.J. -

I have spent a good part of the last five years trying to find a *diet* I

could live with. Six months ago I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, and

that gave me the kick-start I needed to make some more significant changes

in my life, but I'm still changing gradually.

The key for me was making the changes gradually. I started out with a

nutritionist who basically put me on a *normal* but low carb diet. It was

too much of a change all at once. People don't go from eating Mc's

value meals to eating salads and healthy food overnight. I survived a few

months at a time, but always wound up back where I started.

Reluctantly, I finally got around to filling out a food survey totally

honestly, and then agreed to keep a food diary for 4 weeks, writing down

every single thing that went in my mouth. The agreement was that I would

make no attempts to change my diet in any way during that period, so that my

nutritionist and I could have a totally honest exchange about how to

proceed.

Writing everything down was an eye opener for me. Coming clean with my

nutritionist was an extremely difficult but worthwhile experience. Having

her give me free access to a dietician once a week for the next 6 months or

so was a godsend. We made gradual changes in my diet, switching me over to

healthier foods slowly.

I still have a major weight problem. I'm 5'4 " tall and weigh 259 as of this

morning. That is down from a peak of 272. But I hardly ever eat candy

anymore. I've found substitutes that help me deal with my chocolate

cravings. For instance, there is a good product called Stevia Delight that

contains cocoa and stevia. It makes great hot chocolate or cold chocolate

milk. I am allowed to have milk, so that is a great way for me to deal with

chocolate cravings.

I started out cutting back on fast food by just eliminating french fries. I

still like cheeseburgers, but when I go out I generally try to eat them

without the bun. My husband and I had lunch at Chili's yesterday, and I

ordered a cheeseburger with cheddar cheese, mushrooms and onions. I had

them make it with no bun and give me the veggie of the day instead of fries.

The waiter even said it looked and smelled great to him. It satisfied my

need for a cheeseburger and worked fine within my diet guidelines. Veggie

of the day was a medley of zucchini, summer squash, broccoli, carrots and

cauliflower.

I started on glucophage last week. I'm hoping that it will help me lose

more weight, but I know that what I need to do most is increase the amount

of exercise I get. My BG is stable, peaking at around 130 2 hours after

meals on what I've been eating. I won't get bloodwork results from my endo

until I see him again at the end of January.

Please try to get your friend to have a frank talk with a dietician.

Overeating is an addiction that some of us have, and I honestly believe that

its roots are chemical and psychological, just like alcohol abuse. I also

grew up being fed the message that noone loves fat people. Well, my husband

and friends would disagree with that. I have terrible bouts of depression

and one of my difficulties is that I feel noone could possibly love me. It

is a horrible feeling, and to a certain extent a self-fulfilling prophecy,

because when I used to feel like that all the time I didn't let anyone get

to know me enough to have a relationship.

I hope your friend finds help in working gradually toward a diet she can

live with. I think it is more important to make progress and get there

eventually than it is to make drastic changes all at once that eventually

backfire.

Anne

> Re: glyset

>

>

> Susie, thanks for the information. I pasted it on to her. She is trying to

> lose weight but its been hard for her. I think she would do better if she

> could exercise more, but its very hard on her to do that at almost 400

> pounds. She is trying to come to terms with a diet she can live with and

> still lose weight. The dietitians keep trying to put her on a

> " normal " diet

> and that doesn't work for her. She ends up falling off the diet. 1400

> calories just don't work for her. Thanks again D.J.

> Re: glyset

>

>

> > Dear D.J.,

> >

> > I don't have your answer, but I looked up Glyset at RxList.com, and it

> says

> > the initial dose is usually 25 mg, 3 times daily (given with the first

> bite

> > of each main meal), gradually brought up to 50 mg, 3 x day. One-hour

> > postprandial testing is recommended to determine the minimum effective

> dose.

> > Maximum dose is 100 mg, 3 x day. As always, RxList emphasizes that diet

> and

> > weight loss are the primary treatment methods for type 2.

> >

> > Susie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Public website for Diabetes International:

> > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

> >

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[Guest guest]

Susie, she is diabetic, has been for a couple of months now. The doctor

wouldn't put her on glyset until after she became diabetic.I wonder why you

have to get that far before you can get some help.Her weight is killing

her,we both know that. Still she is unable to give up all the food. I know

some will say she chooses not to, but I know how hard this has been for

her, she really tries.Also her health has never been the same after she got

her stomach stapled, even after they un did it. She ended up in the hospital

for almost a year, it almost killed her. She is on blood thinners because of

the blood clods that cause her legs to swell so bad the skin has broken. She

has gained back all the weight she had lost plus a little more. And now her

health is worst then it was before she surgery. That is why we was hopeing

the glyset would get her weight down,so that we can work on some of the

other issues.She is trying to diet, she is trying less fat less

calories,sugar free.She wants a life like everyone else.I'm trying to get

her a computer to open her life up some more. She lives a pretty shut in

life right now.She does have food cravings, I've seen first hand how hard

she has tried to resist.She does care, she does try,to me I see it as

someone trying to give up drinking or drugs.Besides I think if she could get

her weight down a little so she could get around better, me and her daughter

can try getting her in to other programs so she could have more in her life

besides food. So far she has lost any weight on the glyset, but we are still

hoping.We thought it would help her lose 1or 2 pounds a week by keeping her

from abosbing all the carbs.Her sugar has been better but not great.Because

of different health problems she is unable to go on glucaphage, or insulin

at this time. D.J.

Re: glyset

> D.J. wrote:

>

> << ... I think she would do better if she could exercise more, but its

very

> hard on her to do that at almost 400 pounds. She is trying to come to

terms

> with a diet she can live with and still lose weight. The dietitians keep

> trying to put her on a " normal " diet and that doesn't work for her. She

> ends up falling off the diet. 1400 calories just don't work for her. >>

>

> It's a terrible shock sometimes to people when their doctors tell them

> they're morbidly obese, which means in short, " At this weight you'll

> probably die soon! " Even people who weight 250-300 can be morbidly obese.

> The threshhold is twice your ideal weight. A ketogenic-level low-carb diet

> would probably work well for her. It's so hard to get the ball rolling. If

> we have 20-30 pounds to lose, a diet doesn't seem so daunting, but when we

> envision having to lose 250 pounds, even a two-pound weight loss per week

> isn't enough encouragement to stay the course for months and months. The

> beauty of low-carb for the very obese is that there is this amazing weight

> loss during the first few weeks that spurs them on. And they don't have to

> give up many of the foods they miss so much on very-long-term diets.

>

> The other problem is they are putting her on what can feel like a

starvation

> diet to a person who is half her weight. I've driven tractor-trailers that

> make less than 4 miles per gallon. She has a big engine to keep going. If

> you can educate her and encourage her to try, just for a few months, one

of

> the ketogenic diets, and she can lose even 50 pounds, she'll be more able

to

> exercise. At her present weight, any exercise is probably dangerous. I

hope

> she can find doctors and dietitians who don't blame her for her weight.

Many

> of us are just born with different genes. We cannot tolerate a diet that

is

> high in processed grains such as pasta, rice, cereal, bread, etc. It sets

up

> food cravings. I assume she is not diabetic - yet? If so, there are some

> online groups that don't focus on diabetes but on successful weight loss.

In

> the process, they teach us not to lose self-esteem, just because our

bodies

> cannot adjust to our modern diet. I'd be happy to dig up the subscription

> info for those groups, if your friend can access the internet.

>

> This is the beauty of the group, D.J. - we educate ourselves and help each

> other, and the next thing you know, we're reaching out to others as well.

> All five of my sisters are now moderately low-carbing - even the

vegetarian

> ... even the rheumatoid arthritis/Sjogren's sister, who used to declare,

> " I'll never follow a diet that doesn't include chocolate! "

>

> Susie )

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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Dear Anne,

Thanks once again for that excellent post to D.J. Your contributions to the

group are much appreciated.

Susie )

[Guest guest]

Dear D.J.

I really do need new glasses! The topic is " Glyset " and I asked you if she's

a diabetic ... sheesh! You wrote:

<< ... her health has never been the same after she got her stomach stapled,

even after they un did it. She ended up in the hospital for almost a year,

it almost killed her. She is on blood thinners because of the blood clods

that cause her legs to swell so bad the skin has broken. >>

High insulin levels can also cause the ankles/lower legs to swell, as can

heart and kidney trouble. I've read on the internet of many people whose

health suffered tragically after stomach stapling. I'm sorry for both of you

that she is in such a terrible predicament. About the only thing the doctors

suggest for the swelling is to elevate the legs. That, plus regular

exercise, which of course she cannot do. Are they giving her enough fluid

pills? That can help a lot, at least temporarily. And she should drink lots

and lots of water. Is she taking any supplements? If her glucose levels are

high, she is probably urinating like mad, and she may well be deficient in

water-soluble vitamins and electrolytes.

Susie

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In a message dated 12/30/00 11:40:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

RainbowFarm@... writes:

> I have two very overweight friends who have both lost 50-60 pounds in six

> months by reducing their carbohydrate intake to 60 grams per day without

> exercising. I have always seen lowcarb work for weight loss, but this is

> only MHO. I recommend Carbohydrate Addicts for how and why it all works.

>

>

Hi,

My name is and I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes a couple of

weeks ago.....I am 53 years old and am overweight by 100 lbs....My blood

glucose was 272....I was placed on Glucovance 250 mg. twice daily....I was

also given a 1800 calorie diabetic diet.....My blood glucose at last office

visit was 199 and I had lost 7 lbs....I am very much interested in the low

carbohydrate diet.....I don't seem to be getting my glucose down that

well.....Is there a diet called Carbohydrate Addicts? I have Dr. Atkin's diet

book......Any help is very much appreciated....

Thanks and blessings your way.....

[Guest guest]

, there are a lot of people on this list who have had great success

lowering their BG and their weight by low carbing. The very best way to

learn about it (and just about everything else about diabetes) is to read a

book called " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein,

M.D. It's the best single book about diabetes, in my opinion. If your local

library doesn't have it you can buy it through Amazon or 's on the net.

Dr. Bernstein also has a very good website with excerpts of his book on it;

the URL is one of the links on our own website, URL bottom of this page.

Vicki

In a message dated 00-12-30 21:59:34 EST, you write:

<< ..Is there a diet called Carbohydrate Addicts? I have Dr. Atkin's diet

book......Any help is very much appreciated....

Thanks and blessings your wa >>