Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 In a message dated 10/7/2006 10:30:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Where could I get Ketostix? You can get them at any Pharmacy. There are about 11.00 at Wal-mart. H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 In a message dated 07/10/2006 14:39:23 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: Also other things can effect your blood sugar including exercise and excitement (adrenalin). Thanks Linn. Do the above INCREASE blood sugar as I have been exercising to bring it down! thanks. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 That is a good point you make Linn, however, the apple is not much better in glycemic index than sucrose or fructose, so some fruits and juices are almost as bad for the blood sugar as refined sugar. There are several on-line lists of foods and the glycemic index for those foods (glycemic index refers to how much the blood sugar is raised upon eating the item). www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_diet/glycemic_index.php -- Re: HC Efftects Mo, What you eat would definitely have an effect on what your blood sugar level would be when you test it. If you eat something that is high in carbs or simple sugars it will raise your blood sugar a lot higher than if you eat protein and fiber. In particular fiber is a very important thing to eat a lot of if you have blood sugar problems. It slows does the rise of the blood sugar. Doctors and dieticians may tell you that it doesn't matter what you eat, they are fond of saying that a carb is a carb, and will raise your blood sugar the same regardless of what the food is. For instance pure sugar versus eating an apple. Their thinking on this shows they know nothing of how the body digests foods or nutrition. The apple has sugar in but it's a totally different form being a natural sugar, along with fiber, a small amount of fat and protein and vitamins that the apple naturally contains. The blood sugar will rise significantly faster if you eat refined sugar and also drop back down quickly, where the rise will be more gradual with the apple. The key is keep your blood sugar steady and not have the huge increases or decreases either. Also other things can effect your blood sugar including exercise and excitement (adrenalin). Linn > > > In a message dated 06/10/2006 22:09:13 GMT Daylight Time, > artisticgroomer@... writes: > > From what I have read, NO. It is high cortisol tht raises blood > sugar not > low levels such as this. > > Thanks Val for the clarification. That is the amount I am taking > now and I > just wondered. > Dr said the last test he did for blood sugar (a random one which is > oine > taken without fasting) actually came in at 5.5 which is lower than > the last > fasting one of 6.0, top of range is 6.1 but considered 5.5 some. So > I was told by > the very helpful woman on a Diabetes UK Helpline yesterday. > So whatever you you look at it, it is lower after eating than > overnight > fasting and I am wondering why. I was thinking maybe is was because > I had a > boiled egg for breakfast and not a carb-laden one????? > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Where could I get Ketostix? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 In a message dated 07/10/2006 20:43:08 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: Theoretically that would be true as there are large numbers of people who have Type 2 diabetes and do not know they are diabetic. I see, all is explained! I thought they were being reallky over the top at the time. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Val, I'll tell you if I was diabetic I think I would prefer insulin over the other drugs, just because of how they work. This is from www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDeception.html, it's an excellent article on Type 2 diabetes. • Oral hypoglycaemic agents In 1955, oral hypoglycaemic drugs were introduced. Currently available oral hypoglycaemic agents fall into five classifications according to their biophysical mode of action.19 These classes are: biguanides; glucosidase inhibitors; meglitinides; sulphonylureas; and thiazolidinediones. The biguanides lower blood sugar in three ways. They inhibit the normal release by the liver of its glucose stores, they interfere with intestinal absorption of glucose from ingested carbohydrates, and they are said to increase peripheral uptake of glucose. The glucosidase inhibitors are designed to inhibit the amylase enzymes produced by the pancreas and which are essential to the digestion of carbohydrates. The theory is that if the digestion of carbohydrates is inhibited, the blood sugar level cannot be elevated. The meglitinides are designed to stimulate the pancreas to produce insulin in a patient that likely already has an elevated level of insulin in their bloodstream. Only rarely does the doctor even measure the insulin level. Indeed, these drugs are frequently prescribed without any knowledge of the pre-existing insulin level. The fact that an elevated insulin level is almost as damaging as an elevated glucose level is widely ignored. The sulphonylureas are another pancreatic stimulant class designed to stimulate the production of insulin. Serum insulin determinations are rarely made by the doctor before he prescribes these drugs. They are often prescribed for Type II diabetics, many of whom already have elevated ineffective insulin. These drugs are notorious for causing hypoglycaemia as a side effect. The thiazolidinediones are famous for causing liver cancer. One of them, Rezulin, was approved in the USA through devious political infighting, but failed to get approval in the UK because it was known to cause liver cancer. The doctor who had responsibility to approve it at the FDA refused to do so. It was only after he was replaced by a more compliant official that Rezulin gained approval by the FDA. It went on to kill well over 100 diabetes patients and cripple many others before the fight to get it off the market was finally won. Rezulin was designed to stimulate the uptake of glucose from the bloodstream by the peripheral cells and to inhibit the normal secretion of glucose by the liver. The politics of why this drug ever came onto market, and then remained in the market for such an unexplainable length of time with regulatory agency approval, is not clear.20 As of April 2000, lawsuits commenced to clarify this situation.21 > >>but here in the states if you're an insulin > dependent diabetic you can walk into any pharmacy in an emergency > situation and get insulin or supplies without a prescription.<< > > This is good to know! I was told yesterday that most Type 2 > Diabetics end up on Insulin sooner or later... > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I don't think the body can indefinitely run without carbs unless the person has fat that has not been burned up yet. The brain has the biggest demand for carbs tho a ketosis diet was tried for epileptics in the past and it reduced seizures by not supplying excess carbs to the brain. -- Re: HC Efftects > > Mo, > > Yes, the sticks detect ketones in your urine. The Atkin diet diet > produces ketones when you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs in your > diet. Without carbs your body will use the fat stores to burn as > fuel. That what causes the weight loss on this diet. Producing > ketones in a person without diabetes is not a problem. It does > become a problem though when a person has diabetes, where it can turn > into ketoacidosis and cause damage to the organs or the body or > worse. It's particularly bad for Type 1 diabetics as it can happen > anytime their blood sugar rises or even if they get sick without high > blood sugars. Viruses can cause ketones in a Type 1 and result in > hospitalization very quickly. It becomes dangerous when the blood > sugar rises. Normally anything over 250 would warrant checking for > ketones. This might explain a little better: > > Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main > element is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic > because of an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no > insulin, or doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... > ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for > life, since the cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood > sugar, and the acid condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just > happen to be a part of the picture, and are a RESULT of the > condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can safely follow a ketogenic > diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be closely monitored by > their health care provider, and blood sugars need to be kept low, and > stable. > > Linn > > > > > Are these the sticks you use to measure your urine when on the > > Atkins' diet? > > I have some of these. > > Can you explain to me again in what way it helps to use these re > > blood sugar > > and how to do it? > > Thanks. > > > > Mo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 In a message dated 08/10/2006 17:17:19 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: Hi Linn Yes I agree with you, it is not an ideal situation. I'd just be really leery if I already had liver problems of taking any of these drugs, especially if your problems aren't bad yet. I think they maybe completely contraindicated if the liver problems are se vere. The main problem with these meds besides the side effects is the reason they use them should be only to control the folks for who diet and exercise don't work, where in actuality that should be a small number. I know what you mean. I do fall into that bracket in a way though because I am still, even after 18 months on Armour and h.c, not in a good situation energywise, still a lot of symptoms apart from low energy. I cannot lose weight unless I live in early stage Atkins for instance and I am very obese. I got me a dawgie, one reason being so I would walk. And walk I do though some days it can only be round the block once and others, like yesterday, I made two miles. It may well be the case that insulin resistance is causing or adding to these symptoms. And that if I get this under control I will gain energy, lose fat and get on that upward spiral. You will see where I am going with this. What they do though is use them because they allow people to continue eating what they want and the bigger factor, that they make a ton of money off of them. It's not profitable to teach people nutrition, but it is extremely profitable to give someone meds. Tes I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. How does this med only interfere with intestinal absorption of glucose from carbs? Why would it not interfere with all intestional absorption? Don't know, it would be good to find that out. That's not a good thing. If you inhibit the liver's function of being able to release it's glucose stores, you're interfering with a life saving function in an emergency situation. But what if the liver is releasing too much glucose, what then? Diet and exercise yes, but in my particular situation? Did you read the stuff I posted about Bitter Melon, was it Bitter Melon? lol cannot remember the name now, you see that is another of my major symptoms, no brain. Many of these drugs have been linked to cancer. There are just too many questions that it seems nobody is asking or that they don't care to divulge Has Metformin been linked to cancer Linn? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Mo, I'd just be really leery if I already had liver problems of taking any of these drugs, especially if your problems aren't bad yet. The main problem with these meds besides the side effects is the reason they use them should be only to control the folks for who diet and exercise don't work, where in actuality that should be a small number. What they do though is use them because they allow people to continue eating what they want and the bigger factor, that they make a ton of money off of them. It's not profitable to teach people nutrition, but it is extremely profitable to give someone meds. How does this med only interfere with intestinal absorption of glucose from carbs? Why would it not interfere with all intestional absorption? That's not a good thing. If you inhibit the liver's function of being able to release it's glucose stores, you're interfering with a life saving function in an emergency situation. Many of these drugs have been linked to cancer. There are just too many questions that it seems nobody is asking or that they don't care to divulge. Linn > > > In a message dated 07/10/2006 23:11:26 GMT Daylight Time, > linnmiller@... writes: > > The biguanides lower blood sugar in three ways. They inhibit the > normal release by the liver of its glucose stores, they interfere > with intestinal absorption of glucose from ingested carbohydrates, > and they are said to increase peripheral uptake of glucose. > > This is Metformin I think. > I have been thinking that this was a preferable way to normalise blood > sugar? No? > If my liver is realeasing TOO MUCH glucose, which I suspect it is, > then > surely inhibiting some of that release is not a bad thing? > Ditto intestinal absorption and increasing uptake to where it is > needed in > the muscles etc. > > Mo > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Metformin is a biguanide. Linn > Linn, what class does metformin fall into? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 > > Mo, > > How does this med only interfere with intestinal absorption of glucose > from carbs? Why would it not interfere with all intestional > absorption? BINGO!!! This is my question exactly! I've been on Fortamet for 1 year now (happily I might add, and have recommended it to others here, because it really helps with the sugar crashes). But, can this be all or part of my new absorption problem? At this point, how do I determine this? I can't afford to experiment! I can certainly go off the metformin & see how it goes, but I don't think it would be wise to go off the B vitamins at this point. I was low in Vit D & B12 in June. Coincidence? BTW, I really don't appreciate being a lab rat for the drug companies for these so-called drugs. ly, I don't know which would pi$$ me off more - having gluten intolerance and/or celiac OR having absorption problems due to a drug that I can live without. [OK, I'm ranting again, but there's just so much to be irritated about!] But then again, I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ALL OF THE OUTRAGEOUS SUGAR & OTHER CRAVINGS FOR YEARS IF DRS KNEW HOW TO RECOGNIZE & TREAT HYPOTHYROID, now would I!!! ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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