Question for Val, Chris, Anyone on Iodoral, Armour, HC, and Hashi's

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I'm just getting started on my HC, this is the first

week. I'm wondering something about starting on

Thyroid.

After I get my adrenals supported before beginning to

take care of my Thyroid, does anyone think Iodoral is

good to try before starting on Armour?

I know Iodoral may kick my Thyroid up into producing

more Thyroid hormones - and I'm Hashi's so that

worries me a little.

Would it be better to just forego the Iodoral and

start right in on the Armour? Or no?

Here are my test results with ranges again, if that

will help anyone with giving me advice on this:

Cortisols x 4 (Saliva):

-

Morning: 3.0 (range 3 - 8)

-

Noon: 0.6 (range 2 - 4)

-

Evening: 0.5 (range 1 - 2)

-

Night: 0.5 (range 0.5 - 1.5)

-

DHEA's (Saliva): 18.9 (range 3 - 10) Never taken DHEA

supplements, possibly high in response to being

insulin resistant and low cortisols?

-

Thyroid Results (Blood Spot):

-

Free T4: 1.6 (range 0.7 - 2.5, Optimal 1-2)

-

Free T3: 2.1 (range 2.5 - 6.5, Optimal 3-4)

-

TSH: 1.9 (range 0.5 - 3.0, Optimal 0.5-2)

-

TPO: 179 (range 0 - 150; 70-150 Borderline)

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

I think you would be much better off with just taking Armour to begin

with. You have very low T3 and that is so necessary to feel well. With

Hashi's you need to be cautious with Iodine supplementation and your

adrenal;l situation is pretty bad so I would get some Armour in you

first and then see how you feel. If you are having trouble optimizing

with Armour then I would try the Iodine slowly.

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[Guest guest]

Ok thanks Val. That's what I was a little worried

about with the Iodoral, it kicking up my Thyroid with

Hashi's. I'll go with the Armour first after getting

my adrenals supported.

I haven't started on the Armour yet because I've just

this past week begun the HC. So I'm just at the very

beginning now.

Today my HC is up to 5/ 2.5/ 2.5/ 2.5

Considering my lab results? I'm thinking I'll be

needing maybe 20-25 mg. or even 30 mg. a day of HC. I

can see how I feel at 20 and at 25 and then also after

I begin the Armour.

For how long should I be on the HC at 20-25 mg. before

beginning the Armour? 2 weeks? A month?

What amount of Armour would be good to start on, given

my lab results? Should I try 1/4 first or 1/8th?

How long to wait before increasing it after that?

Thanks very much,

Cortisols x 4 (Saliva):

-

Morning: 3.0 (range 3 - 8)

-

Noon: 0.6 (range 2 - 4)

-

Evening: 0.5 (range 1 - 2)

-

Night: 0.5 (range 0.5 - 1.5)

--------------------------------

Thyroid Results (Blood Spot):

-

Free T4: 1.6 (range 0.7 - 2.5, Optimal 1-2)

-

Free T3: 2.1 (range 2.5 - 6.5, Optimal 3-4)

-

TSH: 1.9 (range 0.5 - 3.0, Optimal 0.5 - 2)

-

TPO: 179 (range 0 - 150; 70-150 Borderline)

--- wrote:

> I think you would be much better off with just

> taking Armour to begin

> with. You have very low T3 and that is so necessary

> to feel well. With

> Hashi's you need to be cautious with Iodine

> supplementation and your

> adrenal situation is pretty bad so I would get

> some Armour in you

> first and then see how you feel. If you are having

> trouble optimizing

> with Armour then I would try the Iodine slowly.

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[Guest guest]

>>For how long should I be on the HC at 20-25 mg. before

beginning the Armour? 2 weeks? A month<<

I think a week on 20MG you can start Armour or you WILL go very hypo. Cortisol

utilized the thyroid hormones you have so you will be needing some, but start no

more than 1 grain (60MG). and work up from there.

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[Guest guest]

You could probably start on Armour, 1/4 grain at wake up and 1/4 grain

at lunchtime, right now. If that doesn't work for you, you can divide

that even further with 1/8 grain doses, more often. You'll need to

increase by 1/4 grain every 1-3 weeks, depending on how you do with it

and your cortisol, and when you get hypo symptoms returning or new ones

popping in.

deborah

JD wrote:

> Ok thanks Val. That's what I was a little worried

> about with the Iodoral, it kicking up my Thyroid with

> Hashi's. I'll go with the Armour first after getting

> my adrenals supported.

>

> I haven't started on the Armour yet because I've just

> this past week begun the HC. So I'm just at the very

> beginning now.

>

> Today my HC is up to 5/ 2.5/ 2.5/ 2.5

>

> Considering my lab results? I'm thinking I'll be

> needing maybe 20-25 mg. or even 30 mg. a day of HC. I

> can see how I feel at 20 and at 25 and then also after

> I begin the Armour.

>

> For how long should I be on the HC at 20-25 mg. before

> beginning the Armour? 2 weeks? A month?

>

> What amount of Armour would be good to start on, given

> my lab results? Should I try 1/4 first or 1/8th?

>

> How long to wait before increasing it after that?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deborah for the starting dosage info and the

increase info, but due to a very bad past experience

I'm going to wait on starting on the Armour until I've

got my adrenals as supported as possible.

Back in the early 1990's I had gone from Dr. to Dr.

with all the usual idiocy from them, and finally found

a Broda doctor who actually listened to me and

my symptoms and decided I was hypothyroid.

Unfortunately, he made a big mistake in not checking

my adrenals first before putting me on Armour (I don't

remember the dosage of Armour he started me on), and I

ended up on the floor in a really, really bad thyroid

storm.

At that point I just gave up on finding any doctors at

all who could help me. I never went back and never

took any medications after that. It was really a very

bad experience, that thyroid storm was. I thought I

was dying.

Now at 47 I can't ignore it anymore. I'm pretty sick,

100 pounds overweight, insulin resistant. I'm also

going through Perimenopause(which is being treated

with Bio-Id Progesterone very happy with the results

on that.)

I don't want to repeat that thyroid storm though, so

I'm going to be EXTRA careful about starting on the

Armour until I'm on the HC at 20-30 mg. first.

Thanks for the starting dosage info and the increase

info too, and to increase by 1/4 every 1-3 weeks.

Thanks very much,

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> You could probably start on Armour, 1/4 grain at

> wake up and 1/4 grain

> at lunchtime, right now. If that doesn't work for

> you, you can divide

> that even further with 1/8 grain doses, more often.

> You'll need to

> increase by 1/4 grain every 1-3 weeks, depending on

> how you do with it

> and your cortisol, and when you get hypo symptoms

> returning or new ones

> popping in.

>

> deborah

>

> JD wrote:

>

> > Ok thanks Val. That's what I was a little worried

> > about with the Iodoral, it kicking up my Thyroid

> with

> > Hashi's. I'll go with the Armour first after

> getting

> > my adrenals supported.

> >

> > I haven't started on the Armour yet because I've

> just

> > this past week begun the HC. So I'm just at the

> very

> > beginning now.

> >

> > Today my HC is up to 5/ 2.5/ 2.5/ 2.5

> >

> > Considering my lab results? I'm thinking I'll be

> > needing maybe 20-25 mg. or even 30 mg. a day of

> HC. I

> > can see how I feel at 20 and at 25 and then also

> after

> > I begin the Armour.

> >

> > For how long should I be on the HC at 20-25 mg.

> before

> > beginning the Armour? 2 weeks? A month?

> >

> > What amount of Armour would be good to start on,

> given

> > my lab results? Should I try 1/4 first or 1/8th?

> >

> > How long to wait before increasing it after that?

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[Guest guest]

Ok thanks . I'm SO glad I found this list and

everyone here.

--- T wrote:

> >>For how long should I be on the HC at 20-25 mg.

> before

> beginning the Armour? 2 weeks? A month<<

>

> I think a week on 20MG you can start Armour or you

> WILL go very hypo. Cortisol utilized the thyroid

> hormones you have so you will be needing some, but

> start no more than 1 grain (60MG). and work up from

> there.

>

> --

> Artistic

> Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I understand, ! Though if you wait until your HC is at least 20mg,

you'll be able to start at a full grain without trouble, most likely. I

was just suggesting that you could do it now, starting real low and slow

.... WITH the HC, I'm sure you'll avoid the trouble you had last time!

Deborah

JD wrote:

> Thanks Deborah for the starting dosage info and the

> increase info, but due to a very bad past experience

> I'm going to wait on starting on the Armour until I've

> got my adrenals as supported as possible.

>

> Back in the early 1990's I had gone from Dr. to Dr.

> with all the usual idiocy from them, and finally found

> a Broda doctor who actually listened to me and

> my symptoms and decided I was hypothyroid.

>

> Unfortunately, he made a big mistake in not checking

> my adrenals first before putting me on Armour (I don't

> remember the dosage of Armour he started me on), and I

> ended up on the floor in a really, really bad thyroid

> storm.

>

> At that point I just gave up on finding any doctors at

> all who could help me. I never went back and never

> took any medications after that. It was really a very

> bad experience, that thyroid storm was. I thought I

> was dying.

>

> Now at 47 I can't ignore it anymore. I'm pretty sick,

> 100 pounds overweight, insulin resistant. I'm also

> going through Perimenopause(which is being treated

> with Bio-Id Progesterone very happy with the results

> on that.)

>

> I don't want to repeat that thyroid storm though, so

> I'm going to be EXTRA careful about starting on the

> Armour until I'm on the HC at 20-30 mg. first.

>

> Thanks for the starting dosage info and the increase

> info too, and to increase by 1/4 every 1-3 weeks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah

I sure hope so! Never want to go through that again.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> I understand, ! Though if you wait until your

> HC is at least 20mg,

> you'll be able to start at a full grain without

> trouble, most likely. I

> was just suggesting that you could do it now,

> starting real low and slow

> ... WITH the HC, I'm sure you'll avoid the trouble

> you had last time!

>

> Deborah

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