Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 In a message dated 23/08/2006 20:14:25 GMT Daylight Time, djdor1@... writes: I have read a number of threads recently where individuals are on std to high doses of HC, with std. to high doses of Armour, and have been on them for some period of time that are still NOT feeling better, in terms of either fatigue or hyper symptoms. These individuls have been on their meds for a good bit of time also. I am so glad to read this. I must have missed those posts you refer to. I am feeling like I am the only person who has ever been in this position. Is there anyone out there who got to a high dose Armour and found their adrenals letting them down? I would love to hear from you. Mo I know this is a broad question, but it would nice to have some reinforcement that the combo of HC and Thyroid meds will and does work for HypoT and Adrenal insufficiency. It's not working for me it seems which is really scary because I feel I have nowhere else to go now. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 >>I know this is a broad question, but it would nice to have some reinforcement that the combo of HC and Thyroid meds will and does work for HypoT and Adrenal insufficiency.<< Well I am here to tell yo it worked WONDERS for me! I spent 8 months on 20MG a day of HC and up to 7.5 grains of Armour PLUS added T3, then went to 30MG HC and my life started changing. It took 10 months at this dose for me to finally start feeling well and I actually started forgetting to take my HC. That was when I knew it was time to come off it. It too, less than a month to taper off it and I have been able to reduce my Armour & T3 to about HALF what I used to require. I have been totally off HC for about 3.5 -4 weeks and am doing great! I feel it opened my receptors for the thyroid as well as correcting the absorption problems I was having. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 In a message dated 24/08/2006 08:42:11 GMT Daylight Time, imgeha@... writes: Nicola For people like me it is simply going to take a long time. I marvel at those who take 3-5 grains a day. I don't think I will ever get there, especially if I have to decrease every summer! Oh you will, you will, nothing remains constant in this life Nicola except change! There are other things going on in my body which are making life difficult - I had my amalgams out in June, and I know that this is making me feel rough now. This is likely tobe stressing the adrenals and making things difficult for you though I am quite sure it will be worthwhile if you can just bite the bullet a little longer as you will eventually be relieving the burden on your adrenals. I did think about this aspect for myself but I simply have enough money to live from week to week and removal is out of the question for me. I also know it is affecting my Free T3 levels - How does that work? In what way? I am so tired I can barely drag myself around, Are you able to rest Nicola or do you have things you must do? and I feel horribly depressed again - I haven't felt like this since I started Pred / Armour. Have you seen my posts about DLPA? Could help your mood I am thinking. I just console myself that better times will come. You aren't alone, Mo. It helps to hear that because sometimes I too feel SO alone with all of this. Mo x NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Mo I am in the position of being on a full replacement dose (25 mg Pred), and can't (yet) get above 1 1/2 grains Armour because of my adrenals!! I started Armour in April, and have been knocked back again and again from going any higher because my adrenals can't cope. The latest development was having to halve my dose (on the advice of my endo) during the heatwave here in the South of France, because my adrenals were severely stressed. Apparently we need less thyroid hormone above temps of 22 degrees than under. I also read elsewhere it took one woman 3 years to get to just over 1 grain because her adrenals were so weak, and that was also on a full replacement dose of Pred. For people like me it is simply going to take a long time. I marvel at those who take 3-5 grains a day. I don't think I will ever get there, especially if I have to decrease every summer! There are other things going on in my body which are making life difficult - I had my amalgams out in June, and I know that this is making me feel rough now. I also know it is affecting my Free T3 levels - I am so tired I can barely drag myself around, and I feel horribly depressed again - I haven't felt like this since I started Pred / Armour. I just console myself that better times will come. You aren't alone, Mo. Nicola -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , NOVAexeter@... wrote: > > In a message dated 23/08/2006 20:14:25 GMT Daylight Time, djdor1@... > writes: > > I have read a number of threads recently where individuals are on std > to high doses of HC, with std. to high doses of Armour, and have been > on them for some period of time that are still NOT feeling better, in > terms of either fatigue or hyper symptoms. These individuls have been > on their meds for a good bit of time also. > I am so glad to read this. I must have missed those posts you refer to. > I am feeling like I am the only person who has ever been in this position. > Is there anyone out there who got to a high dose Armour and found their > adrenals letting them down? I would love to hear from you. > > Mo > > > I know this is a broad question, but it would nice to have some > reinforcement that the combo of HC and Thyroid meds will and does work > for HypoT and Adrenal insufficiency. > It's not working for me it seems which is really scary because I feel I have > nowhere else to go now. > > Mo > > > > > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 --- Hi Nicola! Mo and Nicola I have been following your threads today.I feel very alone at the moment too. I felt so hopeful when I started but at the mment I am feeling pretty fed up. I don't have a clue what'shappening with meat the momemt. I've put on so much weight and I can't bear to gt any bigger. I don't even feel any better I tried to raise to 2 grains but I can't. I can't seem to tolerate even one Grain today. I have tried splitting up but each time I take it I get slightly shakey, pulse goes up and I fell generaly more crappy than usual - slightly fluey as well. It makes me quite irritable too but that's partly as this is all driving me nuts. Also, I tried Pred a couple of weeks ago and didn't feel very good on that either. I don't think this is another dump though as my temps aren't shooting up and I don't feel as bad as I did last time that happened. I also don't know if I need more Hc or less HC. My basal temps are lower than they were and still down in the 97's. I suppose it could be due to the low Ferritin but I wish I'd never started the HC cos all it seems to be doing if I can't tolerate Armour is making me get fatter and fatter. I am also considering trying to add some T4. I don't have my first appt with Hertoghe till the middle of Oct. Then it will be another 6 weeks before I actually see the man himself. Oh boy am I feeling sorry for myself! I'll go and slap myself a few times LOL Swiss I am wondering aboutIn NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , NOVAexeter@... wrote: > > In a message dated 24/08/2006 08:42:11 GMT Daylight Time, imgeha@... > writes: > > Nicola > > For people like me it is simply going to take a long time. I marvel > at those who take 3-5 grains a day. I don't think I will ever get > there, especially if I have to decrease every summer! > Oh you will, you will, nothing remains constant in this life Nicola except > change! > > There are > other things going on in my body which are making life difficult - I > had my amalgams out in June, and I know that this is making me feel > rough now. > This is likely tobe stressing the adrenals and making things difficult for > you though I am quite sure it will be worthwhile if you can just bite the > bullet a little longer as you will eventually be relieving the burden on your > adrenals. > I did think about this aspect for myself but I simply have enough money to > live from week to week and removal is out of the question for me. > > I also know it is affecting my Free T3 levels - > How does that work? In what way? > > I am so > tired I can barely drag myself around, > Are you able to rest Nicola or do you have things you must do? > > and I feel horribly depressed > again - I haven't felt like this since I started Pred / Armour. > Have you seen my posts about DLPA? Could help your mood I am thinking. > > I > just console myself that better times will come. You aren't alone, > Mo. > It helps to hear that because sometimes I too feel SO alone with all of this. > > > > Mo x > > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 ---Yes I am very good about tracking temps - both basal and averages. They are fluctuating slightly more than usual but I think that's because of the Delta experiment a couple of weeks ago - it mucked things up a bit. They don't fluctuate madly though - usually .1 degree and sometimes .2 -.3 Thanks for the suggestion. It's quite possible I am missing something obvious and need suggestions like that! Oh and about Dr Hertoghe. Yes I am feeling very privaledged! He has waiting lists several months long (3-4) and it can't come soon enough for me! Swiss > Have you done your average temps to see what is what according to Dr > Rind? > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 --- Yes Val I always take the HC first so I will try what you suggest - it just might help. Thanks for your reply. As for stress dosing, the last time I did that I had a huge dump so it's kind of put me off! Also, it feels more like it's the Armour giving me strange symptoms rather than the adrenals (if you see what I mean). I only took one grain today (instead of 2)- I felt fluey and shaky and tachycardic afterwards again. Then I didn't take any more the rest of the day and I feel better! Weird with a capitol " W " LOL Any other ideas? Swiss > > , do you take Armour the same time as HC? Try taking the HC about > a half hour after your small doses of Armour. Or even stress dose for > three days after a dose increase. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 --- Val, I tried this strategy today and it seems to have worked! No fluey feelings, tachcardia and irritablility after the Armour! I have managed to take 3/4 of the 2 grain dose. Thankyou! Can you please explain to me why it works better to take the HC after the Armour? Do you think that swallowing the armour instead of taking it sublingually might be better for me to avoid the sudden rush of T3? Thanks again, you are a S.T.A.R. Swissa In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , T wrote: > > , do you take Armour the same time as HC? Try taking the HC about > a half hour after your small doses of Armour. Or even stress dose for > three days after a dose increase. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 ---Thanks Mo :-) > So I know it is miserable for you in the meantime but you do have good care > to look forward to. I KNOW that's no real consolation because when you are > feeling so low, minutes can feel like weeks but in the meantime we are all here > to support you through the next little while and before you know it, it will > be Christmas and you will ne a new woman! > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 , I saw your post the other day about how you timed your HC throughout the day. I knew that I hadn't been very consistent, kept forgetting the middle of the day doses. I bought a sport watch with 4 alarms to remind me to take it every 4 hours. I feel so much more leveled out throughout the day. Thanks for the advice. Now I think I can go up to 3 gr of Armour. Lynn S. > > >>Can you please explain to me why it works better to take the HC after the Armour?<< > > Very simple.. It takes Armour a couple hours for it's T3 to start peaking in your blood, HC works MUCH faster, timing to get them to work together is key. > > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Mo, What I've been doing is, keeping it set every day at 7am, 11am, 3pm and 7pm. I'm on my own for the bedtime pills. This schedule will work for me on most of my normal days. If I sleep through the 7am meds, I just take them at 8 or 9 when I get up, and again at 11am, to stay on my schedule. I've been taking my Armour at the 7am and 3 pm alarm, but sometimes I forget to take the second dose of Armour until later. I did that yesterday, and it was bad, I stayed up til 3am. The alarm isn't loud enough to wake me up so I still have to use my regular alarm clock to get up. I just read last night about taking HC after the Armour so I may need to adjust this a little for my afternoon dose. Basically if I take my Armour too early, like noon, I get starving in the evening. If I take it too late, like 6pm, I stay up all night. Any suggestions, Val? If you need any help setting your watch, I can try to help. Lynn S. > e middle of the day doses. I bought a sport watch with 4 alarms to > remind me to take it every 4 hours. I feel so much more leveled out > throughout the day. > > > Lynn > I am useless with setting these things. Can you just set it once in the > morning to go off every four hours regarding of what time you rise or do you have > to set it differently each day if you rise at different times as I do? > Thanks. > > Mo > > ps along with this I also need a secretary, a chaffeur, a cook, cleaner, > accountant...... hmmm what else................ Dear Santa.......... > lol > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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