supplements

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I was reading in " Reversing Diabetes " tonite and it talked about the

nutritional supplements we need to take if we are diabetic and the list was

pretty extensive... I know I can't afford to get everything on that list, so

I thought I'd ask you guys what you take as far as vitamins, nutritional

supplements... AND do you think they help?

Shirley

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In a message dated 7/5/2002 10:46:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sjgrace@... writes:

> I know I can't afford to get everything on that list, so

> I thought I'd ask you guys what you take as far as vitamins, nutritional

> supplements... AND do you think they help?

>

Hi Shirley,

I take a multiple vitamin, store brand, when I think about it. This was on

the recommendation of my doctor. I've taken vitamins in the past and never

noticed any difference. I'll start taking these every day and let you know

in about a month.

I did ask my doctor about herbs. She told me that I could take Gingko,

Echinacea (sp) and Garlic. I'm not taking any of these now. I may take the

Echinacea this fall/winter if I feel like I'm getting a cold. I do drink a

lot of herb and green tea.

Eunice

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I have been taking a vitamin made by RestoreX for diabetics. It has all the

things that I think we should be getting. Don't know if it helps or not, I

have only been on it for a month. It was only about $8 for a 30 day supply.

supplements

: I was reading in " Reversing Diabetes " tonite and it talked about the

: nutritional supplements we need to take if we are diabetic and the list

was

: pretty extensive... I know I can't afford to get everything on that list,

so

: I thought I'd ask you guys what you take as far as vitamins, nutritional

: supplements... AND do you think they help?

:

: Shirley

:

:

:

[Guest guest]

Watch the Gingko if you have high blood pressure. The same

for Niacin. I was told this by my neurologist. However, I

have also been told that Co-Q10 is very good for the heart.

ERWachter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/5/2002 10:46:13 PM Eastern Daylight

> Time,

> sjgrace@... writes:

>

>

> > I know I can't afford to get everything on that list, so

>

> > I thought I'd ask you guys what you take as far as

> vitamins, nutritional

> > supplements... AND do you think they help?

> >

>

> Hi Shirley,

> I take a multiple vitamin, store brand, when I think about

> it. This was on

> the recommendation of my doctor. I've taken vitamins in

> the past and never

> noticed any difference. I'll start taking these every day

> and let you know

> in about a month.

>

> I did ask my doctor about herbs. She told me that I could

> take Gingko,

> Echinacea (sp) and Garlic. I'm not taking any of these

> now. I may take the

> Echinacea this fall/winter if I feel like I'm getting a

> cold. I do drink a

> lot of herb and green tea.

>

> Eunice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> WOW I don't know of anything that helps it work better, maybe some DHEA

> is you are low. Are you taking HC with it? This might work till it gets

> in your system well.

Yeah, I'm already taking DHEA, 25mg/day, it was very low.. In fact I was

wondering if i

should reduce my dose. Don't cortisol and DHEA compete in a sense. If my cort

is low

won't my DHEA automatically take it's place. Would lowering my DHEA make it

easier for

my pred to work.

[Guest guest]

>> Would lowering my DHEA make it easier for

my pred to work.<<

I don't think so, I think they work together.

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[Guest guest]

Robin,

I don't think they compete with one another.

As I understand it, DHEA is like " steel " and you can make many

different things from steel...cars, furniture, etc. In your body,

DHEA is a precursor from which many other hormones (including

cortisol) are made. But the path from DHEA to cortisol is complex,

and along the way, DHEA might get shunted into other hormones that

your body needs as well. Thus, just taking DHEA won't automatically

guarantee that it will get turned into cortisol. But, if you have

low DHEA, you clearly don't have the necessary " raw materials " to

make cortisol.

So, here is what your see in terms of DHEA and cortisol in the

various stages of adrenal exhaustion:

Stage 1: High cortisol, high DHEA (your " high cortisol " lifestyle

requires a large DHEA " bank account " but your body manages to keep

up by upping its production of DHEA. Spend more, make more. This

is fine for short periods, but the start of huge troubles when it

becomes a way of life.)

Stage 2: high cortisol, low DHEA (you are withdrawing huge sums from

your DHEA " bank account " in order to fund your " high cortisol "

lifestyle...but now you are spending more than you are making.

Better hope you have lots in the bank, because the present course is

non-sustainable.)

Stage 3: A worsening of stage 2. Cortisol is going even higher,

while DHEA is going lower. (apparently, the " drunken sailor "

response of the body...look only at what is in your wallet right

now...not the fact that there are 29 days left in the month until

your next DHEA paycheck...and assume that 100% of that DHEA will go

towards your " cortisol " bar tab, and not other things like the

mortgage, utilities, food, etc.) You have the appearance of an

unlimited bank account -- spending like crazy -- but your banker

knows that you will soon be massively overdrawn. Nobody in their

right mind would loan you money.)

Stage 4: DHEA and cortisol both go low. It's finally caught up to

you...you've spent more than you make, and you no longer have

sufficient DHEA to meet your daily demands for cortisol. The

$10,000/mo cortisol " lifestyle " is finally forced to reconcile with

the $5000/mo DHEA " paycheck. " No more borrowing. Your friends

begin to notice you aren't doing so well. The fancy car is traded

in for a basic model. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches instead of

steak and lobster. Your symptoms start becoming really apparent,

not just to yourself but to those around you. You can't hide it

anymore.

Stage 5: Cortisol plummets further, but DHEA actually rises a bit.

You are spending less, because the body has just given up trying to

meet the demands of stress by making more cortisol, so the DHEA

levels rise. Your lifestyle (stress) is still demanding that you

spend more (make more cortisol)...but your body has essentially just

gone into revolt and refused to " pay the piper. " Your creditors are

still there, but you are now refusing the pay them. As a result,

your DHEA bank account goes up marginally.

Stage 6: DHEA goes up, cortisol falls further or holds steady. A

worsening of stage 5. In a last ditch effort, you get a second job

and try to make a bit more DHEA to deposit in the bank. Your bank

account goes up a bit as a result, but your body is no longer even

trying to adapt by making more cortisol from the extra DHEA. The

end is near.

Stage 7: Essentially zero DHEA and zero cortisol. You are now

homeles, living hand-to-mouth. The tiny bit of DHEA you manage to

create goes almost entirely to cortisol, but it is not nearly enough

to meet your daily needs. You're pushing a grocery cart around

town, filled with your meager belongings, mumbling to yourself, and

scavenging through trash cans looking for food. You don't die...but

your quality of life is about as bad as it can be.

Depending on what stage you are in, DHEA supplementation may or may

not be required. The real issue is not so much a DHEA

insufficiency, particularly in the early stages, as it is that your

cortisol " spending " is way, way out of control. You don't need more

DHEA in these stages...you need to stop withdrawing so much

cortisol. But this is not necessarily the case in more advanced

stages. For example, I'm in stage 5 so I take 25mg of DHEA per day

along with hydrocortisone.

--Steve

>

>

> > WOW I don't know of anything that helps it work better, maybe

some DHEA

> > is you are low. Are you taking HC with it? This might work till

it gets

> > in your system well.

>

> Yeah, I'm already taking DHEA, 25mg/day, it was very low.. In

fact I was wondering if i

> should reduce my dose. Don't cortisol and DHEA compete in a

sense. If my cort is low

> won't my DHEA automatically take it's place. Would lowering my

DHEA make it easier for

> my pred to work.

>

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Excellent description Steve! You have a talent with words!

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[Guest guest]

Wow Steve, that was elaborate. I would say when I did saliva I was stage 5 or

6. But it

wasn't until much later that I got any medical support. But also, I'm secondary

adrenal

with primary hypoT...not a normal combo. Don't know if that's a factor.

I take 25 DHEA but I'm female - I've read in several cases where women unusally

need less

than 25.