Re: Dysautonomia

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In a message dated 9/23/2006 12:51:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, Withdrawal_and_Recovery writes:

One of the problems I suspect you might be identifying under the heading of PTSD is actually dysautonomia -- the dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system. This causes some of the same types of reactions that PTSD would.

Can you please explain this to me? I signed up for EMDR 8 years ago but when she told me I would have to relive the nightmares Paxil caused -- the ones about me disemboweling my family and my dog -- and relive the experience of being locked up in a nutbin with REAL psychos, along with all the other horrors Paxil caused, I couldn't go through with it. I would sooner put my face in hot oil. I'm fine as long as I don't revisit the Paxil experience or allow it to do anything other than skate over the surface of my mind.

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Hi Cath,

As you and glitter know i had to relive it again just a few months ago and it burned my brain so bad i really dont want to remember how much that stupid drug cost me.Does it own a bit of my soul yes sure it does but i could never sit and talk to someone about it other than maybe one of you as you know where i have been and how far i have come.I don't think anything could fix what happened to us or give us back what was stolen from us.When i hear

the name paxil my temper still goes through the roof steam comes out my ears.I can't believe this stuff is not all off the market yet the bodies are still piling up i read it in the newspapers every week and i hate being right they were on legal drugs.

Ros

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> In a message dated 9/23/2006 12:51:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Withdrawal_and_Recovery writes:

>

> One of the problems I suspect you might be identifying under the

> heading of PTSD is actually dysautonomia -- the dysregulation of

the

> autonomic nervous system. This causes some of the same types of

> reactions that PTSD would.

>

>

>

> Can you please explain this to me? I signed up for EMDR 8 years

ago but

> when she told me I would have to relive the nightmares Paxil

caused -- the ones

> about me disemboweling my family and my dog -- and relive the

experience of

> being locked up in a nutbin with REAL psychos, along with all the

other horrors

> Paxil caused, I couldn't go through with it. I would sooner

put my face

> in hot oil. I'm fine as long as I don't revisit the Paxil

experience or allow

> it to do anything other than skate over the surface of my mind.>>

** Sure, I can explain more. You state you're fine as long as

you don't allow it in to your mind, but some day, you may not be

able to avoid letting it in (something may come up that triggers

it). At this point, you have to live with it as it is. With EMDR,

you revisit it to heal it. It DOES work.

I knew a person who severely injured his leg in a skiing

accident. The doctors wanted to re-break the leg in several places.

He wouldn't let them. Consequently, he limped. But the limp got

worse over time and he ended up eating opiates like they were

M & M's. He became more crippled as time went on.

It may be that it never becomes an issue for you again, but

Paxil has claimed a piece of your soul. EMDR can give it back.

Regards,

>

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In the EMDR you face thigs when you are prepared to them. It is

revisiting but with coping strategies. You stored it far from your

conscious mind, but as said something may happen and

trigger it. It is better to work in controled situation than

revisiting it unexpectably and when you not ready for it.

I remember times of very strong reactions that made me withdraw to

myself, isolate a lot. There was time I was unable to contact

anybody because I reacted so strongely. Now I understand more, I

feel less, or I would say I feel what is adequate to the situation,

or I hope I do...

EMDR or other strategies make your emotions more clear as they are

not attached to the primary trigger...And you stop working so hard

on hiding it from yourself. This usually takes up a lot of energy...

ikam

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> >

> > In a message dated 9/23/2006 12:51:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Withdrawal_and_Recovery writes:

> >

> > One of the problems I suspect you might be identifying under

the

> > heading of PTSD is actually dysautonomia -- the dysregulation

of

> the

> > autonomic nervous system. This causes some of the same types

of

> > reactions that PTSD would.

> >

> >

> >

> > Can you please explain this to me? I signed up for EMDR 8 years

> ago but

> > when she told me I would have to relive the nightmares Paxil

> caused -- the ones

> > about me disemboweling my family and my dog -- and relive the

> experience of

> > being locked up in a nutbin with REAL psychos, along with all

the

> other horrors

> > Paxil caused, I couldn't go through with it. I would sooner

> put my face

> > in hot oil. I'm fine as long as I don't revisit the Paxil

> experience or allow

> > it to do anything other than skate over the surface of my

mind.>>

>

>

>

> ** Sure, I can explain more. You state you're fine as long as

> you don't allow it in to your mind, but some day, you may not be

> able to avoid letting it in (something may come up that triggers

> it). At this point, you have to live with it as it is. With

EMDR,

> you revisit it to heal it. It DOES work.

>

>

> I knew a person who severely injured his leg in a skiing

> accident. The doctors wanted to re-break the leg in several

places.

> He wouldn't let them. Consequently, he limped. But the limp got

> worse over time and he ended up eating opiates like they were

> M & M's. He became more crippled as time went on.

>

>

> It may be that it never becomes an issue for you again, but

> Paxil has claimed a piece of your soul. EMDR can give it back.

>

> Regards,

>

> >

>

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Hi ,

You and I both know how much a voice coming out of the dark from someone who understands really means and that's why you do what you do as i did what i did.You know what everyone is going through just as we knew what you were going through. These drugs screw up peoples minds till they no longer recognize themselves and they don't know if what they are feeling is real or not.It's not until the people are off the drugs that they can see how much their minds had been altered and that takes a long time in my case years.My mind is a lot clearer now and that's a big bonus to me. I just wish my body would catch up at least some of my organs are talking to each other now and I can eat. I have put weight on and am up to 112lbs when I came to the group I was weighing in at 104lbs my bones hurt so bad I couldn't sleep I couldn't even recognize the person looking at me in the mirror I was a sorry state. I like who I am now only I think I am harder which is something I promised myself in all that I have been through in my life that I wouldn't be.Well sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in and not let people walk all over you.

I don't know where i was going with this but i guess there must be a message in here somewhere for someone lol.

love you all to Ros

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Hi Cath ,

I have not mentioned hardly anything to my doc about what i have gone through I didn't want him thinking about my brain instead of my insides so i kept it to physical although he has also been watching me coming back to life.He said i need to write a book about myself and what has happened to me i told him I am not allowed.He says its a story that needs to be told.I was taken back when he said that to me hes the forth person to say i need to write a book.I floated over it Cath when i told him like it wasn't important he knew enough when i told him i was in a suit.

Hugs Ros

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(((((((((((ROS)))))))))

The name seroxat makes my blood boil to , but then so does cipromil and

all the others, because every day we see here the damage they are doing.

We can't change what happened, I doubt we can erase our memories of it

either, but through our hell we can help others. Ros when I was coming

off cipromil, you were always there, I felt your love and encouragement

all the way from the US to here.

You are a marvellous lady whom I love so very much.

x

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I understand your concern, Ros. Your feeling about it is why it is called

PTSD.

It is really natural for a person with PTSD to recoil from the idea of

opening this up again with EMDR. I'm not trying to convince you to do it,

but this is exactly what EMDR addresses. Those who do EMDR do not end up

finding themselves having the traumatic issue accidentally re-triggered. So

really, everyone who considers EMDR has this initial reaction because they

are all people with PTSD.

I think PTSD claims a bigger part of people than most understand. I

think your TCM doc would know what I mean.

Love,

C

---- Original Message -----

From: drheemer1@...

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Dysautonomia

Hi Cath,

As you and glitter know i had to relive it again just a few months ago and

it burned my brain so bad i really dont want to remember how much that

stupid drug cost me.Does it own a bit of my soul yes sure it does but i

could never sit and talk to someone about it other than maybe one of you as

you know where i have been and how far i have come.I don't think anything

could fix what happened to us or give us back what was stolen from us.When i

hear

the name paxil my temper still goes through the roof steam comes out my

ears.I can't believe this stuff is not all off the market yet the bodies are

still piling up i read it in the newspapers every week and i hate being

right they were on legal drugs.

Ros

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Hi Cath ,

I did tell you i was completely toxic and being poisoned to death.That is what hes been working on he said he cant give me anything as far a vitamins until i am cleared out as it would get wasted not only that it would have created more poison for me.Do you hear what i am saying my system couldn't cope with anything at all even the food was poison to me.I can eat now i am not scared of eating anymore.I am getting something out of the food now where i wasn't before everything was shutting down now its all running again my organs are working again talking to each other.My heart is doing good not messing around anymore my stomache is doing good gall blader is not in pain liver is not in pain still got bowel trouble still working on that.He said when my kidneys run clear he will take me off everything.Then maybe he can straighten me out.You know something Cath one day i told him i was depressed and he said do you know something there is 5 people in this room and if they were going through what you are they would be depressed also i looked round the room and they all nodded made me feel human and like it was ok to be depressed when i am feeling so bad.I see him on Thursday i tell him how i am feeling and exactly whats going on with my insides.He has taught me to listen to my whole body.I couldn't feel it before i disowned it cause it was in so much pain and my brain was in such a fog i didn't feel it was connected to my body as it was just pure pain.Do u understand what i am trying to get over to you.I always appreciate what you have to say cath as you always put it straight to people.None of those so called proffesionals gastro and other docs would listen once paxil was mentioned i was treated like a headcase well now i am not treated like that anymore.

hugs Ros

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Ros, what are you thinking?? He cannot possibly treat you well without your

input. You're hindering your own treatment.

As far as your story -- write it under a pseudonym. No one need ever

know. Publishers will work with you on this.

Re: Re: Dysautonomia

Hi Cath ,

I have not mentioned hardly anything to my doc about what i have gone

through I didn't want him thinking about my brain instead of my insides so i

kept it to physical although he has also been watching me coming back to

life.He said i need to write a book about myself and what has happened to me

i told him I am not allowed.He says its a story that needs to be told.I was

taken back when he said that to me hes the forth person to say i need to

write a book.I floated over it Cath when i told him like it wasn't important

he knew enough when i told him i was in a suit.

Hugs Ros

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" .He said i need to write a book about myself and what has happened to

me i told him I am not allowed "

Write the book Ros, let your partner change a few words of it and then

let him be the author of it???

Maybe writing will help you heal even more to?