RE: Hello/growing pains

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The "usual" for MS has been that it was more common in areas that were further from the equator. I even had a doctor dismiss the idea of me having MS simply because I was born and raised in Arizona. I've read that if a person moved away from a northern climate by the age of 16 the move decreased that person's chances of contracting MS. My current neuro and I talked about that several years ago. He said that rule had long been the case but they have seen some changes occurring over the past decade. He said he was seeing more patients who, like me, had been born and raised here in the desert. I was raised in a small town. My small class at grade school had about 15 kids. One of my close friends in my class (a

male) also has MS. He has told me he had symptoms as a child, too. 2 out of 15? Seems odd, doesn't it? And I know of 2 other women who were born and raised here in the desert who have MS. My neuro and I discussed that and that's when he told me he was seeing more patients from the desert. Statistics are made to be broken, I suppose. Speaking of "growing pains".... both of my children had non-specific pains that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be. Well, my coffee is done and

I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning birds and look at the tomato vines. Sharon Jackie Hanan wrote: This is really interesting, because when I was around 16 or so, I woke up one morning with the most awful muscle spasms down the right side of my back. I stayed home from school for a couple days because I was in so much pain. The

really weird thing about it, was I hadn’t done anything to strain my back, or played sports and pulled any muscles. They just came out of the blue, and never came back until I was 31, and had what was my first MS attack, that landed me in the hosp. The right side of my body was the most affected. The other things that I have wondered about was I read some where that MS can occur in clusters, and the lady who lived behind us had MS, and the boy on the other side of the hill had MS. I went to school with the boy, and we were good friends, and I played at the lady’s house with her two girls my whole growing up time. Plus I had the Vit. D deficiency when I was a baby. All of this seems like a big puzzle that I’ve lived with for so long, and now some of the pieces are starting to fit. Jackie J From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of n RojasSent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:27 PMTo: MSersLife Subject: Re: Hello/"growing pains" When I was a child, I told my mother that I had cramping in the calvers of my lergs, and actual muscle spasms. She told me not to worry, that it

was probably "growing pains," and I do wish that she had been right! I know now that it may well have been the first indicator of MS. My neurologist does think that, and has told me that he has heard of this berfore with his MS patients. Hang in there, Sharon, love your way, n Re: Hello Yes, as Challis said, my legs did give out when I was a child. When I was in 5th grade I had to stop playing basketball or taking gym class. My little country doctor was stumped. He said it was "growing pains". Then he said I had rheumatic fever. (Later tests have disputed that). He just didn't know. One time I heard him tell my mother "I think Sharon has school-itis" and he smiled. (how annoying). Then when I was in 7th grade I wasn't able to walk 50 feet without my legs just "giving way". for lack of a better term. And I understand the fatigue. It's not like any other fatigue in the world. When it hits I HAVE to go to sleep. Sharon (Challis' mom) Smyelin groovy wrote: Hi Vicki, Yup, those sound like MS symptoms. No wonder he considered it. ) Are you setting up the tests? I remember my Mother talking of her legs giving out on her as far back as childhood (she received her MS dx in her forties). The fatigue is awful, isn't it? That all encompassing, can't fight it, fatigue. No reason for it. Not like an exhausting days work, or a night without sleep. Coffee does nothing to help. I hate that! lol Do you use any pads, or other products, for the bladder problems? Hugs, Challis Vicki West wrote: He was suspecting it because my legs give out on me when I walk sometimes, I'm tired alot, I have burning sensations all over my skin, & sometimes I have accidents with my bladder. ~~ Memorial Day. Remember… each of the brave and loving soldiers who died in battle, fighting for what we all believe in. As diverse as our beliefs, so were their backgrounds, their colors, religions, families and lives. Honor them, as well as their surviving comrades and loves ones, by remembering all they sacrificed. ~~Remembered, honored,

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Ayup! You're reading it right and you've got it straight! ) Challis (Sharon's daughter) ~~ Remembered, honored, loved... Ssgt. S. Hobbs KIA October 14, 2004 Afghanistan A man of great integrity and unyielding faith.~ "A nation reveals itself not only by the men it produces but also by the men in honors, the men it remembers." -- Fitzgerald Kennedy ------------------ U.S. Memorial Day History http://www.usmemorialday.org/ ------------------ Tamatha P wrote: Ok, let me get this straight, since I'm fairly new and all. Sharon is Challis's mother? Right? Am I reading this right? How Cool!!! Tammy, TXSmyelin groovy wrote: Wait. Did you say your children "had" pains or "were" pains? <gg> and I were both given som dx, something to do with our knees, which kept us out of PE. Can't remember what it was now, can you? LOL Challis ~Not sure I like being called "the

worst of the two" for whatever reason. ROFL ~~ Remembered, honored, loved... Ssgt. S. Hobbs KIA October 14, 2004 Afghanistan A man of great integrity and unyielding faith.~ "A nation reveals itself not only by the men it produces but also by the men in honors, the men it remembers." -- Fitzgerald Kennedy ------------------ Sharon Marsden wrote: The "usual" for MS has been that it was more common in areas that were further from the

equator. I even had a doctor dismiss the idea of me having MS simply because I was born and raised in Arizona. I've read that if a person moved away from a northern climate by the age of 16 the move decreased that person's chances of contracting MS. My current neuro and I talked about that several years ago. He said that rule had long been the case but they have seen some changes occurring over the past decade. He said he was seeing more patients who, like me, had been born and raised here in the desert. I was raised in a small town. My small class at grade school had about 15 kids. One of my close friends in my class (a male) also has MS. He has told me he had symptoms as a child, too. 2 out of 15? Seems odd, doesn't it?

And I know of 2 other women who were born and raised here in the desert who have MS. My neuro and I discussed that and that's when he told me he was seeing more patients from the desert. Statistics are made to be broken, I suppose. Speaking of "growing pains".... both of my children had non-specific pains that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be. Well, my coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning birds and look at the tomato vines. Sharon

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Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological symptoms when he

was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness and pain so bad in his

lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting a “medical”

discharge. He thought his problems were caused from carrying the 100 lb packs

while he did maneuvers. After he got out he worked at a Nursing home, and had a

few mishaps there too, one being catching a 300 lb man from falling. So he was

constantly aggravating whatever it was that was causing those previous

symptoms.

That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the numbness and tingling

on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays, MRI’s, and CT’s

of his lower back, and there are some disc buldges, but not enough to cause

continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had some lipomas recently removed hoping

they were the cause of whatever is pressing on the nerves, if whatever it is,

is actually “pressing” on nerves. He’s suppose to go in for a

full neuro exam soon. He now has the tingling and numbess in his arms. He was

dx’ed with Bells Palsy several years ago too.

There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family. So I am

wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope not, but I wonder

how long he can go on with these symptoms before he breaks down completely?

Jackie J

Speaking of

" growing pains " .... both of my children had non-specific pains that

were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems

now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie,

didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know

I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be.

Well, my

coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning

birds and look at the tomato vines.

Sharon

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Well thank you very much n,

you are a dear to care about my son. His B-Palsy, left his left eye droopy, and

he says it doesn’t bother him anymore, but I think when he gets stressed

it flares a bit.

I just did a search about PN, and I am almost certain I have it as well. The

insides of both lower legs are so painful to any touch, and will ache and ache.

I have weird nerve thingy sensations running down especially the right leg, PN

was the only other thing I came across that it might be. I am not sure if MS

causes painful skin hypersensitivities?

Thanks for the link!

Jackie J

From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of n Rojas

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:48 PM

To: MSersLife

Subject: Re:

Hello/ " growing pains "

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/bells/bells.htm#What_is

Jackie; link on Bell's Palsy, presumably caused by a virus,

possibly herpes.

Prayers for your son. There is no law against having serious back

problems

caused by repeated trauma, AND Bell's Palsy; most likely, they are not

related. Peripheral neuropathy can be present in feet, legs,

hands and arms

as well, and is a separate condition. Thank you for telling us

about him so

that we may hold him in our hearts, love, n

RE:

Hello/ " growing pains "

Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological symptoms when he

was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness and pain so bad in his

lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting a “medical”

discharge. He thought his problems were caused from carrying the 100 lb packs

while he did maneuvers. After he got out he worked at a Nursing home, and had a

few mishaps there too, one being catching a 300 lb man from falling. So he was

constantly aggravating whatever it was that was causing those previous

symptoms.

That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the numbness and tingling

on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays, MRI’s, and

CT’s of his lower back, and there are some disc buldges, but not enough

to cause continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had some lipomas recently removed

hoping they were the cause of whatever is pressing on the nerves, if whatever it

is, is actually “pressing” on nerves. He’s suppose to go in

for a full neuro exam soon. He now has the tingling and numbess in his arms. He

was dx’ed with Bells Palsy several years ago too.

There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family. So I am

wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope not, but I

wonder how long he can go on with these symptoms before he breaks down

completely?

Jackie J

Speaking of

" growing pains " .... both of my children had non-specific pains that

were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems

now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie,

didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know

I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be.

Well, my

coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning

birds and look at the tomato vines.

Sharon

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Hi Val,…….yeah I get

that type too on the same areas you mentioned, but the pain on my legs goes a

little deeper. I have Steve rub ben gay or another pain relief cream on it, and

for the first minute or so it kills me. I am thinking it must be nerve related?

That will be one of the things I get addressed when I go to the MS Clinic. I’ve

got to have these symptoms identified. MS or ? When you have so many things

going on with your body, its hard to know what is what, and what’s

causing it. I like to know.

Jackie J

From: MSersLife

[mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of Valene

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:50 PM

To: MSersLife

Subject: RE:

Hello/ " growing pains "

Jackie-

Just that gosh dern sunburn kinda feeling when touched. OH how I hate

that. I get it on my back and arms.

Love,

Valene

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Hello/ " growing pains "

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/bells/bells.htm#What_is

Jackie; link on Bell's Palsy, presumably

caused by a virus, possibly herpes.

Prayers for your son. There is no law against

having serious back problems

caused by repeated trauma, AND Bell's Palsy; most

likely, they are not

related. Peripheral neuropathy can be present

in feet, legs, hands and arms

as well, and is a separate condition. Thank

you for telling us about him so

that we may hold him in our hearts, love, n

RE:

Hello/ " growing pains "

Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological

symptoms when he was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness and

pain so bad in his lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting a

“medical” discharge. He thought his problems were caused from

carrying the 100 lb packs while he did maneuvers. After he got out he worked

at a Nursing home, and had a few mishaps there too, one being catching a 300

lb man from falling. So he was constantly aggravating whatever it was that

was causing those previous symptoms.

That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the

numbness and tingling on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays,

MRI’s, and CT’s of his lower back, and there are some disc

buldges, but not enough to cause continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had some

lipomas recently removed hoping they were the cause of whatever is pressing

on the nerves, if whatever it is, is actually “pressing” on

nerves. He’s suppose to go in for a full neuro exam soon. He now has

the tingling and numbess in his arms. He was dx’ed with Bells Palsy

several years ago too.

There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family. So

I am wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope not,

but I wonder how long he can go on with these symptoms before he breaks down

completely?

Jackie J

Speaking

of " growing pains " .... both of my children had non-specific pains

that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological

problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is

having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS

isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be.

Well, my

coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning

birds and look at the tomato vines.

Sharon

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See Val,……its been so long since I’ve been evaluated by

a Neurologist, I really don’t know what ALL is MS and what isn’t. I’ve

learned more in this group than from anywhere else. Even after all these years,

I am still surprised to read about others and their experiences. Because I also

have FM, many symptoms were attributed to it, and there are overlapping

symptoms. I find comfort in knowing what is causing a symptom, and then maybe I

can treat it effectively. I don’t take any MS meds, as I was told I didn’t

qualify for them with me being chronic progressive now.

Thanks for sharing!

Hugs, Jackie J

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[mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of Valene

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:01 PM

To: MSersLife

Subject: RE:

Hello/ " growing pains "

Jackie-

I think I know what you are talking about. Forgive me if I'm wrong. For the

longest time, my left arm was hurting really badly. At first, I thought

it was arthritis. But, it wasn't in the joint. It was a deep pain all the way

to the bone. I remember thinking to myself that I might try some Icy

Hot, or Bengay. There were days that I was wishing I could just cut the

limb off.

I am glad to say that about a week or so of taking the Rebif, the pain

disappeared. So now, I'm thinking it was the MS. I still have numbness in my

left hand. But, I'll take that over the pain any day.

Love, Val

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Hello/ " growing pains "

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/bells/bells.htm#What_is

Jackie; link on Bell's Palsy, presumably

caused by a virus, possibly herpes.

Prayers for your son. There is no law

against having serious back problems

caused by repeated trauma, AND Bell's Palsy; most

likely, they are not

related. Peripheral neuropathy can be

present in feet, legs, hands and arms

as well, and is a separate condition. Thank

you for telling us about him so

that we may hold him in our hearts, love, n

RE:

Hello/ " growing pains "

Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological

symptoms when he was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness

and pain so bad in his lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting

a “medical” discharge. He thought his problems were caused from

carrying the 100 lb packs while he did maneuvers. After he got out he

worked at a Nursing home, and had a few mishaps there too, one being

catching a 300 lb man from falling. So he was constantly aggravating

whatever it was that was causing those previous symptoms.

That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the

numbness and tingling on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays,

MRI’s, and CT’s of his lower back, and there are some disc

buldges, but not enough to cause continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had

some lipomas recently removed hoping they were the cause of whatever is

pressing on the nerves, if whatever it is, is actually

“pressing” on nerves. He’s suppose to go in for a full

neuro exam soon. He now has the tingling and numbess in his arms. He was

dx’ed with Bells Palsy several years ago too.

There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family.

So I am wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope

not, but I wonder how long he can go on with these symptoms before he

breaks down completely?

Jackie J

Speaking

of " growing pains " .... both of my children had non-specific pains

that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological

problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't

you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know

I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be.

Well, my

coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning

birds and look at the tomato vines.

Sharon

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Wow! Jackie-

I am so sorry. That kind of goes through me when I hear about people not getting the help they need and deserve. I'd say you're probably about due for a visit to a neurologist. I had a friend who had FM. I know what she went through. It's pretty tough. But, to have both? That's just not fair. You are in my prayers...God bless...Val

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Well thank you very much n, you are a dear to care about my son. His B-Palsy, left his left eye droopy, and he says it doesn’t bother him anymore, but I think when he gets stressed it flares a bit.

I just did a search about PN, and I am almost certain I have it as well. The insides of both lower legs are so painful to any touch, and will ache and ache. I have weird nerve thingy sensations running down especially the right leg, PN was the only other thing I came across that it might be. I am not sure if MS causes painful skin hypersensitivities?

Thanks for the link!

Jackie J

From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of n RojasSent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:48 PMTo: MSersLife Subject: Re: Hello/"growing pains"

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/bells/bells.htm#What_is

Jackie; link on Bell's Palsy, presumably caused by a virus, possibly herpes.

Prayers for your son. There is no law against having serious back problems

caused by repeated trauma, AND Bell's Palsy; most likely, they are not

related. Peripheral neuropathy can be present in feet, legs, hands and arms

as well, and is a separate condition. Thank you for telling us about him so

that we may hold him in our hearts, love, n

RE: Hello/"growing pains"

Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological symptoms when he was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness and pain so bad in his lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting a “medical” discharge. He thought his problems were caused from carrying the 100 lb packs while he did maneuvers. After he got out he worked at a Nursing home, and had a few mishaps there too, one being catching a 300 lb man from falling. So he was constantly aggravating whatever it was that was causing those previous symptoms.

That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the numbness and tingling on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays, MRI’s, and CT’s of his lower back, and there are some disc buldges, but not enough to cause continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had some lipomas recently removed hoping they were the cause of whatever is pressing on the nerves, if whatever it is, is actually “pressing” on nerves. He’s suppose to go in for a full neuro exam soon. He now has the tingling and numbess in his arms. He was dx’ed with Bells Palsy several years ago too.

There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family. So I am wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope not, but I wonder how long he can go on with these symptoms before he breaks down completely?

Jackie J

Speaking of "growing pains".... both of my children had non-specific pains that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be.

Well, my coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning birds and look at the tomato vines.

Sharon

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Jackie: Does have his medical records from the Army when he started having the neurological symptoms? If not he needs to work on getting them. Did you know if he is diagnosed with MS or something he will be eligible for a service related disability? If a disability started in the military he should be able to get service related disability money. My nephew has Muscular Dystrophy. His is the kind that doesn't show up as a child but instead in the late teens/early 20s. He was in the Army and started having problems and went to their doctors. He wanted to stay in the Army but the Army discharged him. He had to fight for a service related disability because MD is not a recognized disability for the military (I suppose because most MD shows up as a

child). My nephew enlisted the aid of Senator Orrin Hatch. My nephew ended up going to Washington to testify and got the rule changed to add MD as a recognized disability. Now my nephew has a full military medical disability and he got a huge back payment, too. With that money he was able to get his house built accessibility. He is in a wheelchair most of the time. Before he had to leave the workforce he had completed his degree and was working as a designer (designed rail cars and such). Now he designs disabled accessible housing on a part time basis. I hope doesn't have MS but it certainly warrants investigation. He's probably had brain MRIs? And other testing since they know it's a neuro problem of some sort? By the way 3 of my nephews (all brothers) ended up having that same kind of Muscular Dystrophy. All diagnosed in their late teens or early twenties. They had no signs of it until then. All very active, normal boys. Sharon Jackie Hanan wrote: Yes my son [30 now] started having neurological symptoms when he was in boot camp in the Army [19 then]. He had numbness and pain so bad in his lower back, legs, and feet that he ended up getting a “medical” discharge. He thought his problems were caused from carrying the 100 lb packs while he did maneuvers. After he got out he worked at a Nursing home, and had a few mishaps there too, one being catching a 300 lb man from falling. So he was

constantly aggravating whatever it was that was causing those previous symptoms. That was about 10 years ago, and he’s had the numbness and tingling on a regular basis ever since. He’s had x-rays, MRI’s, and CT’s of his lower back, and there are some disc buldges, but not enough to cause continual symptoms the Dr. say. He had some lipomas recently removed hoping they were the cause of whatever is pressing on the nerves, if whatever it is, is actually “pressing” on nerves. He’s suppose to go in for a full neuro exam soon. He now has the tingling and numbess in his arms. He was dx’ed with Bells Palsy several years ago too. There is MS and Bells Palsy in both sides of our family. So I am wondering if he could indeed have a neurological illness? I hope not, but I wonder how long he can go on with these symptoms before he breaks down completely? Jackie J Speaking of "growing pains".... both of my children had non-specific pains that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be. Well, my coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning birds and look at the tomato vines. Sharon Sharon (MSersLife creator/owner) Bloom

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You're right. Mothers are a creepy bunch. Smyelin groovy wrote: ROFLMHO! "And Challis isn't". LOLOL I see my Mother in the mirror all the time, too. I wish she'd stop creeping around like that! LOL Challis (36) ~~ Remembered, honored, loved... Ssgt. S. Hobbs KIA October 14, 2004 Afghanistan A man of great integrity and unyielding faith.~ "A nation reveals itself not only by the men it produces but also by the men in honors, the men it

remembers." -- Fitzgerald Kennedy ------------------ U.S. Memorial Day History http://www.usmemorialday.org/ ------------------ Sharon Marsden wrote: That's right. I have two children, Challis and . is 34 and Challis isn't. I'm 54. And looking older every day. LOL I did run into a guy several days ago who I knew from grade school. He said I looked just like my mother! She's been gone for quite a few years now

but sometimes I catch a glimpse of her in my bathroom mirror. SharonTamatha P wrote: Ok, let me get this straight, since I'm fairly new and all. Sharon is Challis's mother? Right? Am I reading this right? How Cool!!! Tammy, TXSmyelin groovy wrote: Wait. Did you say your children "had" pains or "were" pains? <gg> and I were both given som dx, something to do with our knees, which kept us out of PE. Can't remember what it was now, can you? LOL Challis

~Not sure I like being called "the worst of the two" for whatever reason. ROFL ~~ Remembered, honored, loved... Ssgt. S. Hobbs KIA October 14, 2004 Afghanistan A man of great integrity and unyielding faith.~ "A nation reveals itself not only by the men it produces but also by the men in honors, the men it remembers." -- Fitzgerald Kennedy ------------------ Sharon Marsden wrote: The "usual" for MS has been that it was more

common in areas that were further from the equator. I even had a doctor dismiss the idea of me having MS simply because I was born and raised in Arizona. I've read that if a person moved away from a northern climate by the age of 16 the move decreased that person's chances of contracting MS. My current neuro and I talked about that several years ago. He said that rule had long been the case but they have seen some changes occurring over the past decade. He said he was seeing more patients who, like me, had been born and raised here in the desert. I was raised in a small town. My small class at grade school had about 15 kids. One of my close friends in my class (a male) also has MS. He has told me he had symptoms as a child, too. 2 out

of 15? Seems odd, doesn't it? And I know of 2 other women who were born and raised here in the desert who have MS. My neuro and I discussed that and that's when he told me he was seeing more patients from the desert. Statistics are made to be broken, I suppose. Speaking of "growing pains".... both of my children had non-specific pains that were labeled as growing pains. And they both have neurological problems now. Challis is the worst of the two. Jackie, didn't you say your son is having some kind of neuro problems too? I know I've been told that MS isn't hereditary but the tendencies may be. Well, my coffee is done and I'm headed outside, with cup in hand, to see the morning birds and look at the tomato

vines. Sharon Jackie Hanan wrote: This is really interesting, because when I was around 16 or so, I woke up one morning with the most awful muscle spasms down the right side of my back. I stayed home from school for a couple days because I was in so much pain. The really weird thing about it, was I hadn’t done anything to strain my back, or played sports and pulled any

muscles. They just came out of the blue, and never came back until I was 31, and had what was my first MS attack, that landed me in the hosp. The right side of my body was the most affected. The other things that I have wondered about was I read some where that MS can occur in clusters, and the lady who lived behind us had MS, and the boy on the other side of the hill had MS. I went to school with the boy, and we were good friends, and I played at the lady’s house with her two girls my whole growing up time. Plus I had the Vit. D deficiency when I was a baby. All

of this seems like a big puzzle that I’ve lived with for so long, and now some of the pieces are starting to fit. Jackie J From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of n RojasSent: Sunday, May

28, 2006 9:27 PMTo: MSersLife Subject: Re: Hello/"growing pains" When I was a child, I told my mother that I had cramping in the calvers of my lergs, and actual muscle spasms. She told me not to worry, that it was

probably "growing pains," and I do wish that she had been right! I know now that it may well have been the first indicator of MS. My neurologist does think that, and has told me that he has heard of this berfore with his MS patients. Hang in there, Sharon, love your way, n Re: Hello Yes, as Challis said, my legs did give out when I was a child. When I was in 5th grade I had

to stop playing basketball or taking gym class. My little country doctor was stumped. He said it was "growing pains". Then he said I had rheumatic fever. (Later tests have disputed that). He just didn't know. One time I heard him tell my mother "I think Sharon has school-itis" and he smiled. (how annoying). Then when I was in 7th grade I wasn't able to walk 50 feet without my legs just "giving way". for lack of a better term. And I understand the fatigue. It's not like any other fatigue in the world. When it hits I

HAVE to go to sleep. Sharon (Challis' mom) Smyelin groovy wrote: Hi Vicki, Yup, those sound like MS symptoms. No wonder he considered it. ) Are you setting up the tests? I remember my Mother talking of her legs giving out on her as far back as childhood (she received her MS dx in her forties). The fatigue is awful, isn't it? That all encompassing, can't fight it, fatigue. No reason for it. Not like an exhausting days work, or a night without sleep. Coffee does nothing to help. I hate that! lol Do you use any pads, or other products, for the bladder problems? Hugs, Challis Vicki West

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