Re: results of saliva hormone test

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HC is hydrocortisone. Most docs will neither test nor treat adrenal fatigue unless you have full blown s. Amy Nguyen wrote: WHat is HC? I am pretty new. I went to my Endo on Tues. He listened to my complaints and said while he would not perscribe Armour he would check my T4 and also had me do the 24 hr urine collection to test for Cushing's. For those of you with adrenal fatigue I read the saliva test is best but how does the 24 urine test compare to the ACTH? I have read the ACTH is not as reliable? If I don't feel better soon I am thinking of going out to see

Dr. R. I have been hypo for years and have been telling my Dr I have not had more than 4 periods a year for the past 3-4 years. I wonder if it is the Cushing's or thyroid. I had my sex hormones checked about 3 years ago and they were all normal. I don't know what to think any more. Please let me know what HC is? Thanks! Amy in Coppell, TXKim Hanson wrote: I started HC in August. No ill effects. The positive effects are subtle. I am able to tolerated the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle. Before starting the HC my adrenals really ached...enough to wake

me up at night. Dr R had not heard of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this going on. My husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their anatomy to know that it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much better but I'm not sure whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think that Matanx (prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with the anxiety. It turns out I could not have my blood draw for my 3 month check. It is not due until the middle of November. Just glad

that I got my girls in to see him. It is a relief to have them in such good hands. Sorry to hear about your father-in-law. Kim From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 PMTo:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test Hey, Kim, Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you notice any side effects or if it makes you feel any different? Won't you be relieved knowing the girls are in good hands? :-) I'm going for my first 3 month check on Nov. 7. I was due the end of Sept., but my father-in-law passed away mid August and my DH has been getting his Mom moved and settled and working on his Dad's estate. Carol >> I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm cleaning> off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test results.> I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I have> had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has been> high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my

PMS...no> wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when I> did the saliva tests.> > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls for> my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > Kim Hanson> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

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I've never been able to separate hypo symptoms from adrenal symptoms. I'm also on Metanx.

Did you happen to get any advice from The Doc on the flu shot?

Carol

> >> > I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm> cleaning> > off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test> results.> > I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> > saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > > > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I> have> > had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > > > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > > > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> > range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> > am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has> been> > high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no> > wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when> I> > did the saliva tests.> > > > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls> for> > my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > > > > > Kim Hanson> >>

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How do you know it was your adrenals aching and not your kidneys?Kim Hanson wrote: I started HC in August. No ill effects. The positive effects are subtle. I am able to tolerated the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle. Before starting the HC my adrenals really ached...enough to wake me up at night. Dr R had not heard of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this going on. My husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their anatomy to know that it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much better but I'm not sure

whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think that Matanx (prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with the anxiety. It turns out I could not have my blood draw for my 3 month check. It is not due until the middle of November. Just glad that I got my girls in to see him. It is a relief to have them in such good hands. Sorry to hear about your father-in-law. Kim From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test Hey, Kim, Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you notice any side effects or if it makes you feel any different? Won't you be relieved knowing the girls are in good hands? :-) I'm going for my first 3 month check on Nov. 7. I was due the end of Sept., but my father-in-law passed away mid August and my DH has been getting his Mom moved and settled and working on his Dad's estate. Carol >> I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm cleaning> off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my

saliva test results.> I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I have> had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has been> high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no> wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when I> did the saliva tests.> > I'm going to see if I

can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls for> my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > Kim Hanson

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Kim, before I started HC, I also had pain,

in the vicinity, I’m guessing, of my adrenal glands, and the pain woke me

up throughout the night, too. I don’t have that particular pain

after 8 months on HC, unless I’m having more stress than usual (like being

in a car accident a couple of weeks ago, or my daughter dropping out of college

last week and my family deciding to hold me personally responsible for her decision,

or the fact I have to fire my assistant tomorrow and start training someone new!

Those are just the highlights!).

As far as side effects, I really can only

say that since I started the HC, I can tolerate the Armour increases (and I

couldn’t before the HC). I am struggling with weight gain around

the middle, but I attribute that to my poor eating habits from stress more than

the HC! I can’t expect the meds to do all the work for me…I have

to meet the treatment halfway, and I’m failing in that arena right now!

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Kim Hanson

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006

7:57 PM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: RE:

Re: results of saliva hormone test

I started HC in August. No ill

effects. The positive effects are subtle. I am able to tolerated

the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle. Before starting the HC my

adrenals really ached...enough to wake me up at night. Dr R had not heard

of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this going on. My

husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their anatomy to know that

it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much better but I'm not sure

whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think that Matanx

(prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with the anxiety.

It turns out I could not have my blood

draw for my 3 month check. It is not due until the middle of November.

Just glad that I got my girls in to see

him. It is a relief to have them in such good hands.

Sorry to hear about your

father-in-law.

Kim

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On Behalf Of carol77096

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006

11:25 PM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject:

Re: results of saliva hormone test

Hey, Kim,

Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you

notice any side effects or if it makes you feel any different?

Won't you be relieved knowing the girls are in good

hands? :-)

I'm going for my first 3 month check on Nov. 7. I was

due the end of Sept., but my father-in-law passed away mid August and my DH has

been getting his Mom moved and settled and working on his Dad's estate.

Carol

>

> I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm

cleaning

> off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test

results.

> I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per

> saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.

>

> I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I

have

> had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low.

>

> Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)

>

> Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)

>

> I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the

> range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I

> am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has

been

> high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no

> wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when

I

> did the saliva tests.

>

> I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls

for

> my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.

>

>

>

> Kim Hanson

>

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Your not kidding on being able to separate all of the symptoms. I think they so overlap and are interlinked. And then there is the interaction with the iron/ferritin issues. It is just mind boggling/overwhelming for me. I'm just so glad to have Dr R who understands it all.

No, I completely forgot to ask about the flu shot. I was too focused on the girls issues. I really meant to. I was especially interested in the one without preservatives.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:32 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test

I've never been able to separate hypo symptoms from adrenal symptoms. I'm also on Metanx.

Did you happen to get any advice from The Doc on the flu shot?

Carol

> >> > I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm> cleaning> > off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test> results.> > I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> > saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > > > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I> have> > had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > > > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > > > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> > range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> > am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has> been> > high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no> > wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when> I> > did the saliva tests.> > > > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls> for> > my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > > > > > Kim Hanson> >>

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I don't know but I never had any urinary symptoms. It seems to have been relieved once starting HC.

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:38 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: results of saliva hormone test

How do you know it was your adrenals aching and not your kidneys?Kim Hanson <khanson93065> wrote:

I started HC in August. No ill effects. The positive effects are subtle. I am able to tolerated the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle. Before starting the HC my adrenals really ached...enough to wake me up at night. Dr R had not heard of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this going on. My husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their anatomy to know that it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much better but I'm not sure whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think that Matanx (prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with the anxiety.

It turns out I could not have my blood draw for my 3 month check. It is not due until the middle of November.

Just glad that I got my girls in to see him. It is a relief to have them in such good hands.

Sorry to hear about your father-in-law.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test

Hey, Kim,

Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you notice any side effects or if it makes you feel any different?

Won't you be relieved knowing the girls are in good hands? :-)

I'm going for my first 3 month check on Nov. 7. I was due the end of Sept., but my father-in-law passed away mid August and my DH has been getting his Mom moved and settled and working on his Dad's estate.

Carol

>> I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm cleaning> off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test results.> I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I have> had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has been> high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no> wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when I> did the saliva tests.> > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls for> my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > Kim Hanson

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Amy,

If it's possible the best thing is to go to Doc R., in my opinion. I was too sick to think straight or mess around with doctors who don't know what they're doing. I was also at the point of not trusting almost any medical opinion, especially the 'experts'. I'm very early in my treatment, but at least I have hope of getting better now.

It's my understanding that most doctors don't believe there's anything between Cushing's and 's, no fatigue or insufficiency. So they won't do the right tests or interpret the ones they will do correctly. I haven't had any saliva or urine tests with Dr. R., only blood work.

Good luck,

Carol

>> WHat is HC? I am pretty new. I went to my Endo on Tues. He listened to my complaints and said while he would not perscribe Armour he would check my T4 and also had me do the 24 hr urine collection to test for Cushing's. For those of you with adrenal fatigue I read the saliva test is best but how does the 24 urine test compare to the ACTH? I have read the ACTH is not as reliable?> > If I don't feel better soon I am thinking of going out to see Dr. R. I have been hypo for years and have been telling my Dr I have not had more than 4 periods a year for the past 3-4 years. I wonder if it is the Cushing's or thyroid. I had my sex hormones checked about 3 years ago and they were all normal. I don't know what to think any more.

[Guest guest]

The bilateral back ache definitely started after taking the Armour and got really bad (waking me up) when I started having hyper symptoms. This was prior to starting HC. I had to go completely off of Armour do to the hyper symptoms until I could see Dr R and get started on HC. My ferritin was also extremely low (only 12) which I'm sure did not help the situation.

Hang in there with your stress...remember to breath. I am also stressed out right now! I'm trying to remember to breath, use positive affirmations, trying to focus on only what I have control over, remember to thankful for my blessings, etc. etc.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Niki CarneySent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:59 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: results of saliva hormone test

Kim, before I started HC, I also had pain, in the vicinity, I’m guessing, of my adrenal glands, and the pain woke me up throughout the night, too. I don’t have that particular pain after 8 months on HC, unless I’m having more stress than usual (like being in a car accident a couple of weeks ago, or my daughter dropping out of college last week and my family deciding to hold me personally responsible for her decision, or the fact I have to fire my assistant tomorrow and start training someone new! Those are just the highlights!).

As far as side effects, I really can only say that since I started the HC, I can tolerate the Armour increases (and I couldn’t before the HC). I am struggling with weight gain around the middle, but I attribute that to my poor eating habits from stress more than the HC! I can’t expect the meds to do all the work for me…I have to meet the treatment halfway, and I’m failing in that arena right now!

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Kim HansonSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:57 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Re: results of saliva hormone test

I started HC in August. No ill effects. The positive effects are subtle. I am able to tolerated the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle. Before starting the HC my adrenals really ached...enough to wake me up at night. Dr R had not heard of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this going on. My husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their anatomy to know that it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much better but I'm not sure whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think that Matanx (prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with the anxiety.

It turns out I could not have my blood draw for my 3 month check. It is not due until the middle of November.

Just glad that I got my girls in to see him. It is a relief to have them in such good hands.

Sorry to hear about your father-in-law.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test

Hey, Kim,

Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you notice any side effects or if it makes you feel any different?

Won't you be relieved knowing the girls are in good hands? :-)

I'm going for my first 3 month check on Nov. 7. I was due the end of Sept., but my father-in-law passed away mid August and my DH has been getting his Mom moved and settled and working on his Dad's estate.

Carol

>> I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm cleaning> off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test results.> I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I have> had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over the> range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since I> am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has been> high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my PMS...no> wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle when I> did the saliva tests.> > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls for> my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > Kim Hanson>

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Kim,

I'm very easily overwhelmed/mind boggled...most of the time.

My first ferritin result was 29 (10-220), my AM Cortisol was 8 (7-25), that was early June. Can't wait to see what has improved since then. I know I'm a little better, just want to see in what ways I am better.

I just put a neon green post-it in my notebook, "Flu Shot?" Maybe I'll remember.

Carol

> > >> > > I'm getting ready take my daughters to Dr R. tomorrow morning. I'm> > cleaning> > > off my desk looking for some lab work. I ran across my saliva test> > results.> > > I had these done prior to finding Dr R. The cortisol was abnormal per> > > saliva...confirmed by Dr R via blood. I've started HC.> > > > > > I thought the estrogen & progesterone results were interesting since I> > have> > > had such bad PMS I assumed my progesterone would be low. > > > > > > Estradiol 9 (Follicular: 5-13 pg/ml or Luteal: 7-20 pg/ml)> > > > > > Progesterone > 1000 (Follicular: 20-100 pg/ml or Luteal 65-500 pg/ml)> > > > > > I cannot remember where I was in my cycle but I am at least twice over> the> > > range in Progesterone. I was surprised that my estrogen was so low since> I> > > am now significantly overweight. I wonder how long my progesterone has> > been> > > high. Here I was applying progesterone cream trying to relieve my> PMS...no> > > wonder it was not helping. I had not used the cream during the cycle> when> > I> > > did the saliva tests.> > > > > > I'm going to see if I can have my blood drawn on Thursday with the girls> > for> > > my 3 month check. I'll see what the blood hormones levels show.> > > > > > > > > > > > Kim Hanson> > >> >>

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Carol,

Your ferritin is low. Needs to be over 70, closer to 90. AM Cortisol is

very poor. I've deleted a lot this week. He is treating your adrenals?

Kate G

At 10:33 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

>Kim,

>

>I'm very easily overwhelmed/mind boggled...most of the time.

>

>My first ferritin result was 29 (10-220), my AM Cortisol was 8 (7-25),

>that was early June. Can't wait to see what has improved since then. I

>know I'm a little better, just want to see in what ways I am better.

>

>I just put a neon green post-it in my notebook, " Flu Shot? " Maybe I'll

>remember.

>

>Carol

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I started HC in August. No ill effects. The positive effects are subtle.

> > > I am able to tolerated the Armour, which is guess is not so subtle.

> Before

> > > starting the HC my adrenals really ached...enough to wake me up at night.

> > > Dr R had not heard of this. But I'm convinced that I definitely had this

> > > going on. My husband said maybe other people are not as aware of their

> > > anatomy to know that it is there adrenals aching?? My anxiety is much

> > > better but I'm not sure whether it is a direct result of the HC. I think

> > > that Matanx (prescription from of B12) has probably helped the most with

>the

> > > anxiety.

> > >

> > > It turns out I could not have my blood draw for my 3 month check. It is

> > not

> > > due until the middle of November.

> > >

> > > Just glad that I got my girls in to see him. It is a relief to have them

> > in

> > > such good hands.

> > >

> > > Sorry to hear about your father-in-law.

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> > > [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096

> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 PM

> > > To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> > > Subject: Re: results of saliva hormone test

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey, Kim,

> > >

> > > Did you just start HC? Would you let us know if you notice any side

> > effects

> > > orif it

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