Re: Hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance

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Okay, call it brain fog or whatever, but I intended to post this on

the Natural Hormone message board. Sorry for the lapse of brain

function. Lorna

>

> I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness by

> Dr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of

> hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.

>

> I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women.

It

> went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity

> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to

> produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and

cause

> the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or

> fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will

> likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using

natrual

> progesterone.

>

> I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to

> drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to

> overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of

> estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that

> progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at this

> moment I can't remember what it said.

>

> So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as

> hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen

dominance

> and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been the victim of

> that and know all to well the misery it causes.

>

> And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism

causes

> the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do

> both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that

being

> hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr.

> Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in

> 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.

>

> Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading

> about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or

> opinions on the connection.

> Thanks,

> Lorna

>

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Dont feel bad Lorna. I have done the same thing before

in Lufkin

Re: Hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance

Okay, call it brain fog or whatever, but I intended to post this on the Natural Hormone message board. Sorry for the lapse of brain function. Lorna>> I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness by> Dr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of > hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.> > I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women. It > went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to > produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and cause > the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or > fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will > likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using natrual > progesterone.> > I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to > drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to > overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of > estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that > progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at this > moment I can't remember what it said.> > So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as > hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen dominance > and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been the victim of > that and know all to well the misery it causes.> > And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism causes > the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do > both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that being > hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr. > Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in > 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.> > Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading > about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or > opinions on the connection.> Thanks, > Lorna>

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Haha, deja view! I wondered, just finished reading it over there lol... Judy

Re: Hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance

Okay, call it brain fog or whatever, but I intended to post this on the Natural Hormone message board. Sorry for the lapse of brain function. Lorna>> I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness by> Dr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of > hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.> > I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women. It > went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to > produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and cause > the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or > fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will > likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using natrual > progesterone.> > I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to > drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to > overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of > estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that > progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at this > moment I can't remember what it said.> > So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as > hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen dominance > and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been the victim of > that and know all to well the misery it causes.> > And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism causes > the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do > both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that being > hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr. > Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in > 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.> > Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading > about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or > opinions on the connection.> Thanks, > Lorna>

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I really don't think that excess estrogen is a common problem in hypothyroid women. It is much more common to see hypothyroid women with all of their sex and adrenal hormones on the low side. I am not saying that excess estrogen never occurs in hypo women, but just that it is not all that common. There was a study on hypothyroidism and breast cancer in which it was found that hypothyroid women were less likely to have breast cancer than the rest of the female populace. Breast cancer is often associated with high estrogen levels. dlbunger wrote: I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness

byDr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women. It went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activityof the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and cause the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using natrual progesterone.I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at

this moment I can't remember what it said.So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen dominance and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been the victim of that and know all to well the misery it causes.And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism causes the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that being hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr. Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or opinions on the connection.Thanks, Lorna

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Your post is very on topic and appropriate for this board, too.dlbunger wrote: Okay, call it brain fog or whatever, but I intended to post this on the Natural Hormone message board. Sorry for the lapse of brain function. Lorna>> I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness by> Dr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of > hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.> > I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women. It > went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate

the thyroid to > produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and cause > the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or > fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will > likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using natrual > progesterone.> > I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to > drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to > overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of > estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that > progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at this > moment I can't remember what it said.> > So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as > hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen dominance > and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been

the victim of > that and know all to well the misery it causes.> > And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism causes > the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do > both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that being > hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr. > Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in > 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.> > Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading > about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or > opinions on the connection.> Thanks, > Lorna

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Thanks for this info, even if you didn't mean to post it here. It

struck a chord for me. (I really need to get that book.) I had

chronic fibrocystic breasts in the 80s and 90s, and then an ovarian

cyst and uterine wall fibroid showed up on a sonogram 6 years ago,

about the time I was diagnosed finally for hypo. Although I was on

Levoxyl until 12/2004, I had another sonogram done around that time,

and the cyst had disappeared and the fibroid was about 1/2 it's

original size. So maybe it helped in some ways. When I go for

another sonogram in the future (I'm doing them periodically since my

mother died of ovarian cancer) it will be interesting to see if the

fibroid is even smaller. I think much of my health history leads

back to the hypo condition. I continue to wonder how much of what

goes wonky in our years leading up to menopause and afterward could

be linked to thyroid dysfunction, and perhaps be properly treated,

if it weren't for the dam TSH worship, coupled with the lab ranges

that they still haven't updated, and the stupid knee-jerk

prescribing of synthetic T4. We continue to be treated in piece

parts, with very few understanding the underlying causes.

>

> I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women.

It

> went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity

> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to

> produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and

cause

> the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or

> fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will

> likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using

natrual

> progesterone.

>

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I think the problem with estrogen dominance is not that estrogen is high

in itself, but that it's high in relation to progesterone; the levels

are unbalanced.

Jan wrote:

> I really don't think that excess estrogen is a common problem in

> hypothyroid women. It is much more common to see hypothyroid women with

> all of their sex and adrenal hormones on the low side. I am not saying

> that excess estrogen never occurs in hypo women, but just that it is not

> all that common.

>

> There was a study on hypothyroidism and breast cancer in which it was

> found that hypothyroid women were less likely to have breast cancer than

> the rest of the female populace. Breast cancer is often associated with

> high estrogen levels.

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I think so too Betty. In Menopause, the progesterone levels drop faster than the estrogen levels and that's what may create the dominance.

Re: Hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance

I think the problem with estrogen dominance is not that estrogen is high in itself, but that it's high in relation to progesterone; the levels are unbalanced.Jan wrote:> I really don't think that excess estrogen is a common problem in > hypothyroid women. It is much more common to see hypothyroid women with > all of their sex and adrenal hormones on the low side. I am not saying > that excess estrogen never occurs in hypo women, but just that it is not > all that common.> > There was a study on hypothyroidism and breast cancer in which it was > found that hypothyroid women were less likely to have breast cancer than > the rest of the female populace. Breast cancer is often associated with > high estrogen levels.

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Lorna,

I realize this response is late but hopefully not too late. It's

hard to keep caught up on everything with a busy job. That's a good

one for the stress topic.

As for the connection between hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance,

you bet I do believe there is one. I've been hypo nearly my entire

adult life and always and forever had terrible, heavy, painful

periods. I developed fibrous tumors, adenomyosis, and cysts.

Finally the uterus had to come out.

It's all the same endocrine system so it is all connected and it

would make sense when one part of the system is malfunctioning, it

could cause another part of the system to malfunction as well.

>

> I am reading the book Hypothyroidism:The Unsuspected Illness by

> Dr. Broda . In reading it, and my own experience of

> hypothyroidism, I see a lot of similarities between the two.

>

> I for instance read that ovarian cysts are common in hypo women.

It

> went on to say that in hypothyroidism there is increased activity

> of the pituitary gland aimed at trying to stimulate the thyroid to

> produce more hormone. And that activity might spill over and

cause

> the ovaries to produce more estrogen. Therefore causing cysts or

> fibroid tumors. And that natural thyroid, that being Armour, will

> likely cause the cyst to shrink. The same is said of using

natrual

> progesterone.

>

> I have been on Armour thyroid for many years but recently had to

> drastically increase the dose, from 3 grains to 5 grains, to

> overcome symptoms. Some of the symptoms are the same as those of

> estrogen dominance. And I know I read, in the files I think, that

> progesterone and the thyroid are somehow connected though at this

> moment I can't remember what it said.

>

> So my question is, how many of you have been diagnosed as

> hypothyroid? I know it is as under diagnosed as estrogen

dominance

> and under treated when it is diagnosed. I have been the victim of

> that and know all to well the misery it causes.

>

> And if the activity of the pituitary gland in hypothyroidism

causes

> the spill over that causes the ovaries to make more estrogen, do

> both need to be looked at when we have one of the other, that

being

> hypothyroidism and estrogen dominace? Too bad Dr. and Dr.

> Lee couldn't get together in their research. Dr. died in

> 1988 at age 82 and wrote this book in 1976.

>

> Anyway, just some curiosities that have been aroused in reading

> about both conditions. Perhaps ya'll have some experience or

> opinions on the connection.

> Thanks,

> Lorna

>