1934 Cancer Clinic

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Jeff Garf's recent posting about " Rife " machines brings up an old topic.

This response isn't directed to Jeff. It is directed to the Rife community

as a whole. The Rife story regarding cancer is far to enchanting , and

keeps getting repeated as an absolute truth.

>. If there were any true Rife machines they would be curing cancer with

>an

>almost 100% effective rate and I have not seen any instrument do this

>irregardless

>of plasma or pads.

For those that have cancer, don't get discouraged by what I am about to

say. Don't turn your back on a treatment that can and does help people.

Make no mistake, there are many cancer patients that have been helped

through the use of modern day frequency devices. There are many that are in

complete remission. Frequency devices work best as part of an overall

treatment program. Programs that can consist of both traditional medical

and natural therapeutics. Use all that is avaialble to you to help restore

your health.

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I'm not going to win many friends by saying this. Cancer is a serious,

often fatal disease. Relying upon very poorly supported " facts " to say 16

people were cured is misleading. . Yes, Dr. Rife refers to the 1934

experiment on some of his tapes . There is much that is unanswered. I

consider the cure of 16 people in 1934 to be more urban legend than fact.

Have said this before, and will say it again.

Let us look at things rationally.

What could be used to pronounce a cure in 1934?

X-rays - image size resoultion of film types , screen types, and X-ray

machines then compared to present day - maybe 1/4 of present day. Wouldn't

surprise me if it was 1/5th. High speed screens, small grain emulsions for

the film, high pulse rate X-rays, high speed films, modern tube

construction, modern collimators ( they used to use a cone!), automatic

processors to give consistency to the developed films, digitally recorded

X-rays, and the excellent resolution we have today, did not exist.

Physical diagnosis

Some simple lab tests including biopsy - a gross size procedure

That's it.

There were no MRI's, no CT scans, no Bone Scans ( Scintillation

radiographs), no tumor markers, nor sensitive blood tests that are in use

today to determine the presence or absence of cancer " activity " in the

body. We all know that just because tests are normal following treatment -

relapse is still possible.

At best one could say there was a 100% response rate to treatment. That is,

use of the device produced a significant positive response in every person

treated. All the patients were placed into remission.

There is more to this story that needs to be looked at.

There were 16 people that were treated, but something like 8 doctors

involved. 8 Dr's to treat 16 people over a multi month period ? Why? What

else was going on at the clinic? Were they seeing other types of patients?

Some of the Dr's were surgeons. We know there was a pathologist involved.

What was the pathologist doing? Diagnosing from biopsy samples, or was he

also looking at samples from tumors that were surgically excised ?

Surgery and X-ray were the standard medical treatments for cancer in the

mid 1930's. We know Dr. Yale liked to use his device along with X-ray

therapy to treat cancer. Was this being done at the 1934 " clinic " too?

The 1934 " clinic " - was just that. A group of Dr.s from USC got together

and used a space to open a temporary treatment clinic. We don't know if

this was just for cancer, or for all sorts of other diseases. The 1934

clinic was not a " Cinical Trial " except by a quirk in language. That is, if

one gives a new product a trial usage in a clinic - well it does become a

" clinical trial " .

At the clinic were Dr's whose prior treatment of cancer patients consisted

of X-ray, and surgery. A question I have... " At this 1934 clinic did the

Dr's forgo their prior training. Abandon all known treatment to use only

an unknown to them, electronic gizmo, to treat cancer? " A known fatal

disease ?

There were tort ( medical malpractice) lawyers back then too.

There were certainly state boards in 1934 - which we know did get involved

at a later date. Attempted punitive actions were taken against Dr.s who

were using machines in their private practices. For the reasons just

mentioned. I am certain the Dr.'s involved in 1934 knew of such a

possibility. I cannot imagine an MD ignoring that they might be called

before the State Board of Medical examiners or a judge in a tort action and

being asked why they failed to use their skills and known available

treatment on critically ill patients.

With cancer, there is always the problem of relapse, no matter what the

level of response.

One patient of the 16 we are aware of did relapse, and underwent surgical

treatment for his cancer. Why was that ? Why surgery instead of the device?

Dave Felt has more information about the patient that relapsed. How

many others of the 16 had similar outcomes? It would be extremely

interesting to see how many of the 16 underwent other treatment in addition

to Rife. Too many unanswered questions. From my viewpoint there ae too

many loose ends to the story of curing 16 out of 16 with the 1934 device.

Our modern instruments do some wonderous things,they treat diseases Rife's

device never was designed for. Regardless of the device, we certainly don't

see 100% of the people with cancer have 100% response rates to treatment.

There is a statistically significant number that do responsd to treatment.

Often this is only a partial response.

There is a mixture of responses that I am aware of. Some tumors in a

person may respond, while others do not. Some people live a longer life but

still die of their cancer. There are also complete non responders to

frequency devices. Frequency devices do work, and they work often enough,

and well enough, that they are an extremely valuable tool in the treatment

of many people's cancers.

Our detractors use the less than 100% response rate as a means to destroy

us. They ignore the % that do respond and are helped and focus only on the

failures. They ignore the failures and horrors of conventional treatment in

an attempt to slander and undermine confidence. Same old script in use for

nearly a century now. Only the names have been changed to destroy the

innocent.

So what is wrong with our machines? Why can't we reproduce Rife's invitro

effects or the high response rates in cancer?

The major problem we have is the use of subharmonic frequencies for

treatment. We don't use 1,604,000 for treatment, we use 2127. Bedini

has been doing some work recently utilizing a variable carrier wave that is

mixed with a subharmonic modulating frequency to create a Rife fundamental

frequency.

If you look at the pictures on 's site, you will see that the

fundamentals are being created with very low power levels -50 to -60 db is

common. This is in the millionths of a watt range.

We produce the Rife fundamental through the use of harmonics in a similar

manner. Doesn't matter how you generate the Rife fundamental using sub

harmonics ( Coordinative Resonance Frequencies or CRF's) just so you do.

One can use sub harmonics via electrodes or some other method. One can use

a fixed carrier wave that utilizes a variable modulating wave. The outcome

is the same. If the correct subharmonic frequency is utilized, the Rife

fundamental frequency will be generated as a harmonic.

Here is the problem. The energy generated at the exact Rife MOR

fundamental frquency is miniscule. What does this mean? One thing is that

it certainly doesn't take a lot of power to create physiologic effects if

the frequency is correct and applied long enough. A very important fact! An

electrode device capable of direct output of a fundamental frequency at

1604000 Hz might output 20 ma at 15 to 30 volts. This is 0.3 to 0.6 watts

of power. Not much! This power has to be distributed throughout the body.

meaning the actual energy going into the tumor is miniscule. But it is

still many times more powerful than what is being used now via the use of

a sub harmonic frequency 754 times removed ( i.e. 2127.32 Hz) from the

fundamental of 1604000 Hz. If one uses the Rife fundamental for BX off the

1934 machine of 17033662 Hz, then we are using a sub harmonic 8008 times

removed when 2127 is utilized !

Some plasma devices operate at hundreds of watts, and are capable of

generating sub harmonics CRF's in the hundreds of thousands of Hz. Even

with these power levels - the power in the formed fundamental isn't overly

large. Maybe a few watts.

Dr Rife used fundamental frequencies delivered at 50 watts or more to

produce his effects. The difference in power delivered at the fundamental

frequency is not just huge, it is gigantic. Hundreds of thousands, if not

of millions of times the power over what we are typically applying at this

time using low sub harmonic CRF's. Is it no wonder we cannot produce

invitro effects like Dr. Rife?

Electrode devices, even though capable of direct output of the fundamental

are power limited. There is just so much power the body is going to be able

to tolerate safely. One cannot apply amperes of current to the body at low

voltages, or hundreds of volts to the body at milliamp levels and expect

someone to live.

This is what I believe will finally solve the problems we have with

reproducing Dr. Rife's accomplishments:

The only way to achieve Rife's invitro effects, and his response rate with

cancer is via high power level delivery via a pulsed field. The field must

be generated and delivered by some method capable of coupling the field

physiologically, and having that field pulsed at the Rife fundamental

frequency.

Jim Bare