Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

[Guest guest]

Wow Ian, your pretty heavy on the US.

I agree with the US Government that some supplements shouldn't be made available

over the counter, young adults can go around and do all sorts of damage to

themselves with seemingly harmless supplements, but when used in great

quantities for the wrong purpose can be just as devastating to the body as if

they were on hard drugs.

I'm sure the FDA would have statistics of the numbers of deaths and children in

hospitals who over consumed seemingly harmless supplements.

Human nature is to error, especially our youth, the FDA may just want to lesson

the damage to people when they do error. I've seen a few clients who made bad

choices from freely available over the counter herbal remedies, they are now

having a tough time getting their health back. If people had to go through a

diet consultant, or natural herbalist to access supplements, then some of these

accidents could be avoided.

I bet I wont be popular for saying this, I had better run for cover now ;-)

Regards,

Ken

Re: FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral ation

Charter w/Canada & Mexico

Dear ,

I am not normally a doomsayer or pessimist except where the U.S. government

is concerned. If you honestly think that your petition will do anything to

sway the designing men and women behind this then you are only fooling

yourself.

Your government, as with most governments, could care less what you want,

think, or desire. If they don't enact it through this initiative they will

simply tack it onto another bill and, viola! Done deal.

Sorry, but the only answer is force, armed insurrection, which will never

happen given the character of the American people, which is to be a

self-policing society that serves its government ... as opposed to a society

who's government serves them.

Yours,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

Ruby wrote: The SPIRIT of DSHEA lives

in America, and around the WORLD as dietary

supplement consumers are FIGHTING BACK against the FDA's latest

OUTRAGE!

As of 6:01 am Tuesday April 11th, so far we've generated 1096 signatures

on our petition to defend consumer access to dietary supplements by

getting badly needed congressional oversight on the FDA's Trilateral

ation Charter With Canada & Mexico

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232#body

[Guest guest]

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

> Wow Ian, your pretty heavy on the US.

>

> I agree with the US Government that some supplements shouldn't be made

> available over the counter, young adults can go around and do all sorts of

> damage to themselves with seemingly harmless supplements, but when used in

> great quantities for the wrong purpose can be just as devastating to the

> body as if they were on hard drugs.

>

> I'm sure the FDA would have statistics of the numbers of deaths and

> children in hospitals who over consumed seemingly harmless supplements.

>

> Human nature is to error, especially our youth, the FDA may just want to

> lesson the damage to people when they do error. I've seen a few clients

> who made bad choices from freely available over the counter herbal

> remedies, they are now having a tough time getting their health back. If

> people had to go through a diet consultant, or natural herbalist to access

> supplements, then some of these accidents could be avoided.

>

> I bet I wont be popular for saying this, I had better run for cover now

> ;-)

>

> Regards,

> Ken

Ken,

Alas, I do not have the same vision of the FDA that you do. I live in the

States. Every single week the local newspapers have articles about how FDA

officials approved drugs that they knew were dangerous...how whistleblowers

(people from inside an organization who go against institutional policy of

deception and tell the truth) get fired and even threatened...and how drug

companies knew that their poisons killed people but purposely altered the

data.

There are so very few " accidents " with herbs, vitamins, minerals, and other

nutritional supplements compared to the deliberate poisoning of America (and

the rest of the world). These people in power know exactly what they are

doing. I think it's naive to give them credit for being honest and

compassionate. They are not. The few honest doctors and other researchers in

these government agencies either are fired or quit because they have a

conscience.

This information is no longer confined to enlightened health sites on the

internet. Even relatively conservative and " main " stream newspapers are

carrying this information. People are waking up, albeit slowly.

Just a perspective from someone who lives here.

Blessings,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

Hi Nenah,

That's a pretty bleak picture you paint.

We sure don't hear about it down here in the TV and papers.

You would think it be to the advantage to the US Government, and FDA, to allow

small private research groups like us to freely research health care technology.

You never know what useful technology and new science we may create.

Smart coorporations would see advantage in having the holy grail of health

management nutted out, and not having to pay for it, we are all the bunnies

doing that. I bet there are several business plans and stratergies in place for

aquiring this technology and those with intelligence of it.

If we are controlled, as I am sure we are, then we should be allowed to develop

this technology to perfect performance, and we wont get into trouble if we tread

on the right stones and follow the rules.

And lucky are those that find their way to these forums. God smiles upon them.

Regards,

Ken

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

> Wow Ian, your pretty heavy on the US.

>

Ken,

Alas, I do not have the same vision of the FDA that you do. I live in the

States. Every single week the local newspapers have articles about how FDA

officials approved drugs that they knew were dangerous...how whistleblowers

(people from inside an organization who go against institutional policy of

deception and tell the truth) get fired and even threatened...and how drug

companies knew that their poisons killed people but purposely altered the

data.

There are so very few " accidents " with herbs, vitamins, minerals, and other

nutritional supplements compared to the deliberate poisoning of America (and

the rest of the world). These people in power know exactly what they are

doing. I think it's naive to give them credit for being honest and

compassionate. They are not. The few honest doctors and other researchers in

these government agencies either are fired or quit because they have a

conscience.

This information is no longer confined to enlightened health sites on the

internet. Even relatively conservative and " main " stream newspapers are

carrying this information. People are waking up, albeit slowly.

Just a perspective from someone who lives here.

Blessings,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

its not in the papers or news in the usa, they keep it

low tone, get passed before we know what is going on!!

roger

--- Ken Uzzell wrote:

> Hi Nenah,

>

> That's a pretty bleak picture you paint.

>

> We sure don't hear about it down here in the TV and

> papers.

>

> You would think it be to the advantage to the US

> Government, and FDA, to allow small private research

> groups like us to freely research health care

> technology. You never know what useful technology

> and new science we may create.

>

> Smart coorporations would see advantage in having

> the holy grail of health management nutted out, and

> not having to pay for it, we are all the bunnies

> doing that. I bet there are several business plans

> and stratergies in place for aquiring this

> technology and those with intelligence of it.

>

> If we are controlled, as I am sure we are, then we

> should be allowed to develop this technology to

> perfect performance, and we wont get into trouble if

> we tread on the right stones and follow the rules.

>

> And lucky are those that find their way to these

> forums. God smiles upon them.

>

> Regards,

> Ken

> Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE!

> Supplements Trilateral

> ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

>

>

> > Wow Ian, your pretty heavy on the US.

> >

>

>

> Ken,

>

> Alas, I do not have the same vision of the FDA

> that you do. I live in the

> States. Every single week the local newspapers

> have articles about how FDA

> officials approved drugs that they knew were

> dangerous...how whistleblowers

> (people from inside an organization who go against

> institutional policy of

> deception and tell the truth) get fired and even

> threatened...and how drug

> companies knew that their poisons killed people

> but purposely altered the

> data.

>

> There are so very few " accidents " with herbs,

> vitamins, minerals, and other

> nutritional supplements compared to the deliberate

> poisoning of America (and

> the rest of the world). These people in power know

> exactly what they are

> doing. I think it's naive to give them credit for

> being honest and

> compassionate. They are not. The few honest

> doctors and other researchers in

> these government agencies either are fired or quit

> because they have a

> conscience.

>

> This information is no longer confined to

> enlightened health sites on the

> internet. Even relatively conservative and

> " main " stream newspapers are

> carrying this information. People are waking up,

> albeit slowly.

>

> Just a perspective from someone who lives here.

>

> Blessings,

> Nenah

>

> Nenah Sylver, PhD

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

> * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

> * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

> * products and services for wellness

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

> Hi Nenah,

>

> That's a pretty bleak picture you paint.

>

> We sure don't hear about it down here in the TV and papers.

>

> You would think it be to the advantage to the US Government, and FDA, to

> allow small private research groups like us to freely research health care

> technology. You never know what useful technology and new science we may

> create.

Sad but true, Ken. As only one example -- go to www.dorway.com/ to read lots

of info on how there's been a revolving door between FDA staff and officials

of Monsanto and other companies, plus their lawyers. Another great website

with lots of drug industry exposes is www.mercola.com

Blessings,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Ken,

It is just the statement, " ...I agree withthe US Government that some

supplements shouldn't be made available over the counter, ... " you are playing

right into the hands of lawmakers who get their foot in the door with this sort

of thinking.

It is this " we need a law " mentality that has turned the US into a " near

police state " and that will allow it to finish its goal of being a police state

within ten years because the people have been conditioned to police themselves,

leaving the government to do as it pleases behind closed doors.

I am hard on the US because it is so hard on its gullible, ignorant, cowardly

and otherwise apathetic population. There are a few exceptions, but overall the

people of the US deserve the government they have.

Ian MacLeod

PS. No need to run for cover, the US hasn't figured a way to censor this site

" yet " .

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[Guest guest]

Ken, should we outlaw rope, because folks hang themselves, or

batteries, because the mentally ill swallow them? That is what the FDA

is doing with herbs that grow here liberally in the midwest, and are

literally free for the taking. England outlawed long knives that cut

meat, and bread.

I cannot imagine someone wanting to overdose on greens. It is to me,

like eating mulch. I do not know any herbs in the natural untainted

form that would entice a kid to " pig out " ... Even rough ephedra did not

do much for my sinus problems, but a good onion or hot pepper did!!

Like Nina said, dangerous drugs are being approved by the FDA daily.

My friends $50.00 glaucoma drops gave him weakness and lethergy, much

to the Drs astonishment. The glaucoma drops were tested on " children "

per the labeling, and not on geriatrics, as many drugs are... He said

he improved after getting rid of them.

Read the book on drugs by NE Journal of Medicine Marcia Angell. It

opened my eyes.

I would like to find a book on grandmas home remedies, but the FDA has

probably banned that also, as it has some of the ingrediants.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

You do have a point. People are not taking responsibility for their health, like

we can go out and eat anything and do anything, and we want the doctors there to

fix things up when the body fails.

I guess our lifestyle and the way we have developed has promoted this type of

attitude towards our health.

I refuse to see people if they don't drink 2 to 3 litres of water per day. There

is nothing much I can do for their pain if their basically not prepared to drink

a bit water and keep their body hydrated.

It's a sad situation to be in.

Regards,

Ken

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

Ken,

It is just the statement, " ...I agree withthe US Government that some

supplements shouldn't be made available over the counter, ... " you are playing

right into the hands of lawmakers who get their foot in the door with this sort

of thinking.

It is this " we need a law " mentality that has turned the US into a " near

police state " and that will allow it to finish its goal of being a police state

within ten years because the people have been conditioned to police themselves,

leaving the government to do as it pleases behind closed doors.

I am hard on the US because it is so hard on its gullible, ignorant,

cowardly and otherwise apathetic population. There are a few exceptions, but

overall the people of the US deserve the government they have.

Ian MacLeod

PS. No need to run for cover, the US hasn't figured a way to censor this site

" yet " .

[Guest guest]

missourinaturegirl wrote:

> I would like to find a book on grandmas home remedies, but the FDA has

> probably banned that also, as it has some of the ingrediants.

I would like to see the current figures on death rates from modern medical

procedures and treatments. It's always astounding to see how many people

die every day from routine hospital procedures and prescription drugs.

Does anyone have the current figures on this?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Ditto,

Ian

Ken Uzzell wrote: Hi Ian,

You do have a point. People are not taking responsibility for their health,

like we can go out and eat anything and do anything, and we want the doctors

there to fix things up when the body fails.

I guess our lifestyle and the way we have developed has promoted this type of

attitude towards our health.

I refuse to see people if they don't drink 2 to 3 litres of water per day.

There is nothing much I can do for their pain if their basically not prepared

to drink a bit water and keep their body hydrated.

It's a sad situation to be in.

Regards,

Ken

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

Ken,

It is just the statement, " ...I agree withthe US Government that some

supplements shouldn't be made available over the counter, ... " you are playing

right into the hands of lawmakers who get their foot in the door with this sort

of thinking.

It is this " we need a law " mentality that has turned the US into a " near

police state " and that will allow it to finish its goal of being a police state

within ten years because the people have been conditioned to police themselves,

leaving the government to do as it pleases behind closed doors.

I am hard on the US because it is so hard on its gullible, ignorant,

cowardly and otherwise apathetic population. There are a few exceptions, but

overall the people of the US deserve the government they have.

Ian MacLeod

PS. No need to run for cover, the US hasn't figured a way to censor this

site " yet " .

[Guest guest]

This attitude is carried over into the rest of their lives they let their

finances go until bankruptcy looms, they have casual sex with everyone under

the sun until unwanted pregnancies or STDs ruin their life styles, so why

should their health be any different, we have been taught since birth don't

worry about tomorrow have fun today, the problem is that tomorrow is sooner

than we think

Terry

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

Ditto,

Ian

Ken Uzzell wrote: Hi Ian,

You do have a point. People are not taking responsibility for their health,

like we can go out and eat anything and do anything, and we want the

doctors there to fix things up when the body fails.

I guess our lifestyle and the way we have developed has promoted this type

of attitude towards our health.

I refuse to see people if they don't drink 2 to 3 litres of water per

day. There is nothing much I can do for their pain if their basically not

prepared to drink a bit water and keep their body hydrated.

It's a sad situation to be in.

Regards,

Ken

Re: OT .... FDA's latest OUTRAGE! Supplements Trilateral

ation Charter w/Canada & Mexico

Ken,

It is just the statement, " ...I agree withthe US Government that some

supplements shouldn't be made available over the counter, ... " you are

playing right into the hands of lawmakers who get their foot in the door

with this sort of thinking.

It is this " we need a law " mentality that has turned the US into a

" near police state " and that will allow it to finish its goal of being a

police state within ten years because the people have been conditioned to

police themselves, leaving the government to do as it pleases behind closed

doors.

I am hard on the US because it is so hard on its gullible, ignorant,

cowardly and otherwise apathetic population. There are a few exceptions,

but overall the people of the US deserve the government they have.

Ian MacLeod

PS. No need to run for cover, the US hasn't figured a way to censor

this site " yet " .