Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

[Guest guest]

Well said Barbara. I have enjoyed hearing what Hank had to say...to a point.

I am not an EAS convert or anything like that. I have a little bit of a

problem when I see anyone locked in on " the only answer " about anything. I

enjoy some EAS protein bars, I use Protein Power brand powder, and I take a

slew of vitamins and herbs that my husband has pulled together based on his

holistic health training. I am here on this list for the camaraderie and

support to keep me on track with exercise and with balanced eating. I am

open to learning about all kinds of new thoughts, methods, etc....but not to

debate issues.

Thanks for listening.

Kelley

C1W5D4

Cleveland

[Guest guest]

Hank, are you still out there? I have an off topic question for you.....

aheil@...

Alyson

[Guest guest]

I generally try to stay out of the middle of topics that cause

conflict because there are at least 2, if not 20 sides to any story.

I can see where there is some concern at least on the part of some

individuals, so let me clarify what some of those reasons might be.

1. It is my perception (for what that's worth...) that whenever

someone has suggested a different product, such as Myoplex, etc.

there has been a negative response as to why it doesn't work well.

Like NHE, this is a pro-BFL board and statements like that probably

aren't going to go over as well here as they might in more neutral

territory.

2. The reason that I personally read was that Hank had run tests on

himself and determined that Beverly products worked better for

himself. And while it hasn't been stated, I surely am not the only

person thinking that each of our bodies work differently and what may

work better for one individual doesn't work better for another. And

because of that, a 1-person study is probably not enough to sway

people to change products.

3. It seems like a fair amount of people have bought, or continue to

buy from Vitaglo, etc. Prices will always vary from dealer to

dealer. The person with the higher price is incented to sell value-

added services which gets them something for the higher price. While

it matters to another dealer that someone might be undercutting their

price and possibly doing it illegally/immorally, etc., the consumer

wants to get the lowest price, or if not, at least the most bang for

their buck. And my perception of the conversations have been that

any other place suggested so far either has higher prices (going

direct to Beverly) or has a shady reason for having a lower price

than Hank (Vitaglo, etc.)

4. Personally, I had an interest in comparing the breakdown in

protein/carbs/fat to other products and asked for a link to these

contents in the Beverly products and didn't get a response, on the

board or off. So it didn't do a great job of selling me on the

product other than to suggest " trust me, it's a great product " .

5. People are all different, but facts and references carry a lot of

weight with some people. So all I'm suggesting is that to say that

Vitaglo is doing something wrong (to whatever extent that is) is to

provide some back-up since so many people have had great success with

them. Someone on the phone from Beverly said something bad about

them? Then a 800 # and a name of who said it...a URL to a possible

lawsuit against the other company who's selling in the grey market,

etc.

6. At the end of the day, it just came across as...I

dunno....negative. And big-picture that was what the whole NHE

discussion came across to me as -- negative. We all get pumped up

reading about Wayne's successes. And we all have how-to questions,

whether it's got any hamstring exercises or is a straight bar better

than the squiggly one. And we have a lot of off-topic stuff where we

make jokes, etc. but again it's either neutral territory or light-

hearted. Just my take on it, but seems like the negative comments on

other distributors is taking its toll.

I think Hank has obviously done a fantastic job getting his body into

shape. And surely part of that has been the Beverly products.

Likewise, have you seen pictures of Sara? She uses EAS products, and

there isn't enough money in the world I wouldn't give to have my body

look as great as hers. I've never tried Beverly products so I'm

definitely not knocking them. I get the impression it's not so much

as *what* Hank has said, but perhaps *how* it's been worded? I hope

that doesn't come across as harsh; it's definitely not meant to be.

Just straight up.

> Sara,

> The only thing that Hank is upset about is that Vitaglo is selling

something that they should'nt be (Beverly International). It's kinda

like a black market thing. I personally talked to him on the phone

and all he wants to do is sell something he strongly believes in at

the lowest price possible. Believe me he is not looking for profit on

this. He does'nt need the money my God he's a Scientist at N.A.S.A. I

think he's curious about how they are getting it so cheap and where

they are getting it.And it's not

> from Beverly International.

> Anyway how are you today?

> Eddie

>

> Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

>

>

> I don't know if Hank is still out there but I do want to say that

I've ordered from Vitaglo many, many times and have had nothing but

quick service and fantastic prices. It offended me to read the

insults thrown at them for providing competitive pricing.

>

> Sara

[Guest guest]

Personally, I doubt the effectiveness of any of these products over

whole food. The claims many of these products make have to be taken

with a grain of salt. Personally experience and unbiased opinions on

the products will help to make your own choice.

It is nice that Hank shared his opinion with us, but we also have to

remember that he is selling the stuff. We need to put this in

perspective. You aren't going to build a great body by buying and

using Beverly, EAS, Slimfast or whatever nutrition products. If you

just consumed these things alone, you would be malnourished. You

need to workout effectively and eat whole foods as much as possible 5-

6 times per day and make sure you are eating the right amount. That

is the bottom line and I don't think anyone can argue with it.

Andyman

> > Sara,

> > The only thing that Hank is upset about is that Vitaglo is

selling

> something that they should'nt be (Beverly International). It's

kinda

> like a black market thing. I personally talked to him on the phone

> and all he wants to do is sell something he strongly believes in at

> the lowest price possible. Believe me he is not looking for profit

on

> this. He does'nt need the money my God he's a Scientist at N.A.S.A.

I

> think he's curious about how they are getting it so cheap and where

> they are getting it.And it's not

> > from Beverly International.

> > Anyway how are you today?

> > Eddie

> >

> > Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

> >

> >

> > I don't know if Hank is still out there but I do want to say

that

> I've ordered from Vitaglo many, many times and have had nothing but

> quick service and fantastic prices. It offended me to read the

> insults thrown at them for providing competitive pricing.

> >

> > Sara

[Guest guest]

My DH is a rocket scientist too...seriously...believe me, they don't

make that much money! :-)

this. He does'nt need the money my God he's a Scientist at N.A.S.A

[Guest guest]

I just find it very strange that the only time he posts to the list is to

plug his products... no support, no interaction with other members, no

helping-hand, just product plugging.

- Wayne

Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

> Personally, I doubt the effectiveness of any of these products over

> whole food. The claims many of these products make have to be taken

> with a grain of salt. Personally experience and unbiased opinions on

> the products will help to make your own choice.

>

> It is nice that Hank shared his opinion with us, but we also have to

> remember that he is selling the stuff. We need to put this in

> perspective. You aren't going to build a great body by buying and

> using Beverly, EAS, Slimfast or whatever nutrition products. If you

> just consumed these things alone, you would be malnourished. You

> need to workout effectively and eat whole foods as much as possible 5-

> 6 times per day and make sure you are eating the right amount. That

> is the bottom line and I don't think anyone can argue with it.

>

> Andyman

[Guest guest]

Hear here! Well said Barb. I agree with everything you said. I

might try Beverly products myself, but I also agree with Brett that I

will get them as cheap as possible. If that means ordering from

Vitaglo, well if they offer the best price, that's where I will go.

I also agree that Hank has done a wonderful job transforming and

maintaining his physique. I wish him all the best in his business

venture, but I am still concerned with my own bottom line and that

means getting the best product for the least amount dollar-wise.

Jen B.

> > Sara,

> > The only thing that Hank is upset about is that Vitaglo is

selling

> something that they should'nt be (Beverly International). It's

kinda

> like a black market thing. I personally talked to him on the phone

> and all he wants to do is sell something he strongly believes in at

> the lowest price possible. Believe me he is not looking for profit

on

> this. He does'nt need the money my God he's a Scientist at N.A.S.A.

I

> think he's curious about how they are getting it so cheap and where

> they are getting it.And it's not

> > from Beverly International.

> > Anyway how are you today?

> > Eddie

> >

> > Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

> >

> >

> > I don't know if Hank is still out there but I do want to say

that

> I've ordered from Vitaglo many, many times and have had nothing but

> quick service and fantastic prices. It offended me to read the

> insults thrown at them for providing competitive pricing.

> >

> > Sara

[Guest guest]

Amen Andy, well said!!! There is no substitute for hard work and

clean nutrition. It's like I sign a lot of my posts... " Eat clean.

Train hard. " 'nuff said.

Jen B.

> We need to put this in

> perspective. You aren't going to build a great body by buying and

> using Beverly, EAS, Slimfast or whatever nutrition products. If

you

> just consumed these things alone, you would be malnourished. You

> need to workout effectively and eat whole foods as much as possible

5-

> 6 times per day and make sure you are eating the right amount.

That

> is the bottom line and I don't think anyone can argue with it.

>

> Andyman

[Guest guest]

Very well said, Barbara and thank you for the compliments.

It did all come across as negative and I apologize for my part in it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sorry... I mispoke. My apologies.

- Wayne

RE: Re: OT - Hank and Beverly products

> Wayne,

>

> I PERSONALLY Take offense to this misstatement. Tell me where in the

> following answers I've given here on this board in the past week where

you

> see I'm plugging product (since you said the ONLY time I post is to plug

my

> products):

>