Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? What states?

" & Debbie Chikousky " wrote:

Those consumers that really value this product better start to yell and

scream. There are states that outdoor chicken raising has been banned

already.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

[Guest guest]

I am thinking Virginia but I cannot remember for sure. I was on a meat

rabbit group last winter and there were a lot of people in a few states

fighting this. In Canada Quebec has already made it illegal to have outside

poultry. Manitoba was thinking about it but there is a lot of turkey

farmers here that would be put out of business if it happened so for now I

guess we are ok. It all stems from the avian flu which I don't really

believe has a thing to do with free range chickens anyway.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

gdchik@...

http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)

> Are you kidding? What states?

>

> " & Debbie Chikousky " wrote:

>

> Those consumers that really value this product better start to yell and

> scream. There are states that outdoor chicken raising has been banned

> already.

> Debbie Chikousky

> Manitoba, Canada

[Guest guest]

i asked in the APPPA group i am a part of and someone there said this is not true, that there are no states in the USA that have banned the outdoor raising of poultry. one tried but it failed. several countries had banned it. I'm thinking because of the bird flu?? not sure. but some of them had possibly reinstated it??

I think you are right thinking Virginia may have been the state in question. because there were several news releases posted on the other group and virginia and joel salatin were in the releases.

Ro =-)

Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)> Are you kidding? What states?>> " & Debbie Chikousky" wrote:>> Those consumers that really value this product better start to yell and> scream. There are states that outdoor chicken raising has been banned> already.> Debbie Chikousky> Manitoba, Canada

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I am glad that it hasn't gotten to this yet but from what our govt is saying they are certainly pushing in that direction. Same as raw dairy being banned in most places. It will be consumers of these products that keep our govts honest. Just hope that we are all informed of plans intime to stop them not after it is a done deal.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

Re: Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)

i asked in the APPPA group i am a part of and someone there said this is not true, that there are no states in the USA that have banned the outdoor raising of poultry. one tried but it failed. several countries had banned it. I'm thinking because of the bird flu?? not sure. but some of them had possibly reinstated it??

I think you are right thinking Virginia may have been the state in question. because there were several news releases posted on the other group and virginia and joel salatin were in the releases.

Ro =-)

[Guest guest]

I hope Georgia is not one of the states that plans to try to ban the

outdoor chicken. I'm planning to add 100 Barred Rocks in the spring

for free range eggs for my customers.

Bob

>

> I am glad that it hasn't gotten to this yet but from what our govt

is saying they are certainly pushing in that direction. Same as raw

dairy being banned in most places. It will be consumers of these

products that keep our govts honest. Just hope that we are all

informed of plans intime to stop them not after it is a done deal.

> Debbie Chikousky

> Manitoba, Canada

> gdchik@...

[Guest guest]

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I was glad of that too but I got another e-mail from her today and

this is disturbing also.

This is from someone else that wrote in.

Hey gang, Tom here. You are all used to hearing from on the

subjects that are posted here.I just wanted to add to Jean's post

about states banning out door chicken raising.

It is true no state to date has banned raising chicken out doors.

However,some municipalities have taken it upon themselves to

protect their citizens from the scourge of avian flu and have banned

the raising of chickens completely. Most notably in our area is

Bethlehem,Pa which is also considering banning other animals as

well. EastonPa. is also considering such a ban.

If anyone knows of other such cities or towns that are doing

this , let us know. We may have a problem if this trend continues on

the local level because all politics are local. Tom

I am glad that I don't live there and I just can't understand why

people sit back and let this happen.There hasn't even been 1 single

case of avian flu in the U.S.

I see this as one more thing that people just sat back and let

happen. Has anyone got an extra tube of KY handy?

-- In RawDairy , " Tramar Farms " wrote:

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> , I am so glad it didn't pass! Can you imagine what the

ramifications to the other states would be if it had? Our guy at

state ag office has said he would like to do away with our limit.

Too much of a headache for them perhaps?? it is 1000 bird limit but

my health inspector talk to an ag inspector and he said a 1000 head

for the husband, 1000 head for the wife, 1000 head for each kid.

who's counting? they just don't have the man power to inspect all

the plants, let alone worry about all us small producers

> Ro

> Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)

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> Ro,

> You are right. I checked with Jody Padgem and she saidthat

there was a proposal made in Va. but it was not supported.

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, I am so glad it didn't pass! Can you imagine what the ramifications to the other states would be if it had? Our guy at state ag office has said he would like to do away with our limit. Too much of a headache for them perhaps?? it is 1000 bird limit but my health inspector talk to an ag inspector and he said a 1000 head for the husband, 1000 head for the wife, 1000 head for each kid. who's counting? they just don't have the man power to inspect all the plants, let alone worry about all us small producers

Ro

Re: Pasture Raised Chickens (yes off-topic)

Ro,

You are right. I checked with Jody Padgem and she saidthat there was a proposal made in Va. but it was not supported.

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[Guest guest]

I was reading recently that " bird flu " is caused by confinment

operations and spread by any escapess or any wild birds that are with a

close distance to the air flow out of the confinement building. IF the

bird flu gets to a small farm, it MIGHT infect the native birds on the

farm BUT they would die off before being able to make anybody sick.

>

> i asked in the APPPA group i am a part of and someone there said this

is not true, that there are no states in the USA that have banned the

outdoor raising of poultry. one tried but it failed. several

countries had banned it. I'm thinking because of the bird flu?? not

sure. but some of them had possibly reinstated it??

>

> I think you are right thinking Virginia may have been the state in

question. because there were several news releases posted on the other

group and virginia and joel salatin were in the releases.

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I would suggest you do a little more reading on the bird flu. It has

been noted that the flu has spread along shipping routes not routes

taken by wild birds. Bacteria and most any virus will flourish in

chicken houses where the birds are crowded, it is damp and there is

little or no fresh air.

You've been listening to your extension agent for wayyy to long.

Belinda

>

> Bird flu is caused by a virus and not by any type of managment. The

> flu virus occurs naturally in humans, birds, pigs, horses and has

> been known to jump species barrier naturally. Some types of

> management do put the domestic birds at greater risk than other

> types. Free range domestic birds are at high risk if the wild bird

> population does harbor bird flu because they can mix with one

> another. Domestic birds who are totally confined under conditions

> where there is no way for the wild bird population to have any

> contact with the domestic birds are at a greatly reduced, but not at

> zero, risk. Any time a respiratory pathogen is introduced into a

> high density at risk population it can spread like wildfire.

> Within the countries where bird flu was known to occur or likely to

> occur the government (of these countries) has attempted to enact

> rules that made it mandatory to keep at risk domestic birds

> inside.

> The biggest problem has been that wild birds naturally congregate in

> high density populations naturally as part of the migratory

> behavior. It is speculated that the bird flu will come across the

> northern migratory routes out of Europe and Russia across Alaska and

> Canada. Who knows??

> Donna

> Safehaven Nubians

> Dandridge, TN

>

> > >

> > > i asked in the APPPA group i am a part of and someone there said

> this

> > is not true, that there are no states in the USA that have banned

> the

> > outdoor raising of poultry. one tried but it failed. several

> > countries had banned it. I'm thinking because of the bird flu??

> not

> > sure. but some of them had possibly reinstated it??

> > >

> > > I think you are right thinking Virginia may have been the state

> in

> > question. because there were several news releases posted on the

> other

> > group and virginia and joel salatin were in the releases.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bird flu is caused by a virus and not by any type of managment. The

flu virus occurs naturally in humans, birds, pigs, horses and has

been known to jump species barrier naturally. Some types of

management do put the domestic birds at greater risk than other

typesWow....the leap in " logic " from " bird flu is caused by a virus " to " the flu virus occurs naturally in humans, birds, pigs, horses and has been known to jump species barrier naturally " is the same " logic " our Gov't would have us believe as they've stockpiled 4.6 Tamiflu injections, just waiting for this supposed event. Here's a newsletter from Marc Sircus that I posted to my " blog " to get you started, with some good information -

http://www.ericsons.net/340/avian-epidemics-by-marc-sircus I really hope you do some research on this topic, Donna. Sharon

[Guest guest]

I don't know about all of that! Bird Flu is the same thing as CWD in

deer, scrapies in sheep & goat and mad-cow in cattle. It is spread

when there are too many animals in the area and when infected animals

are fed to non-infected animals.

> >

> > Bird flu is caused by a virus and not by any type of managment.

The

> > flu virus occurs naturally in humans, birds, pigs, horses and has

> > been known to jump species barrier naturally. Some types of

> > management do put the domestic birds at greater risk than other

> > types

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Wow....the leap in " logic " from " bird flu is caused by a virus "

to " the flu

> virus occurs naturally in humans, birds, pigs, horses and has been

known to

> jump species barrier naturally " is the same " logic " our Gov't would

have us

> believe as they've stockpiled 4.6 Tamiflu injections, just waiting

for this

> supposed event. Here's a newsletter from Marc Sircus that I

posted to my

> " blog " to get you started, with some good information -

> http://www.ericsons.net/340/avian-epidemics-by-marc-sircus I

really hope

> you do some research on this topic, Donna.

> Sharon

>