Re: need info on pitocin, for humans OT

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I have no links here but when I was in her position my family doctor told me that nature would take its course as long as the baby and I were fine. We were but the specialist was really pushing me. I was at 5 and just lightly cramping. He was worried the baby would be born quickly outside the hospital and bad things would happen. I didn't know better at the time and let him hook up the drip. NEVER again. It was awful and the baby did land up with the cord around his neck and in distress and a forceps delivery as the family doctor explained later he was rushed. He is 18 and wonderful but I wouldn't have done it again and wouldn't allow it with the next three. Good luck.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

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> It was awful and the baby did land up with the cord around his

> neck and in distress and a forceps delivery as the family

> doctor explained later he was rushed.

Yes, don't do it if you don't have to. Not only are increased

incidence of C-section as well as fetal distress risks, but now

Pitocin may be linked to autism for infants exposed during labor. See

this article from Mothering magazine:

http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/birth_preparation/inducing.htm\

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If possible, the most natural/drug-free birth you can think of is

best, for you and your baby. BTW, what's wrong with an 8 pound baby?

I'm 5'1 " and 110 lbs (when not pregnant) and I delivered an 8 lb 6 oz

girl naturally, no problem (I credit the prenatal yoga for increasing

my legendarily poor flexibility). Other friends of mine had even

bigger babies--one mom, who, granted, is also a significantly larger

person than me, delivered a 10-lb girl naturally. So, a 7-8 lb baby

is not normally a valid reason to induce 2 weeks early. I'd be

looking for other reasons, such as if the doctor wants to make his

vacation flight, or like you said, is looking for a little extra

income (C-sections cost something outrageous like $50k!). Midwives

are often a better choice than doctors; if you feel safer in a

hospital, there are in many states Certified Nurse Midwives who

practice in hostpitals. See www.acnm.org to find a midwife for the

next baby.

Good luck!

Barrie

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If I remember my numbers correctly 8 pounds is the average birth weight in countries with excellent birth rates.  I believe we are in the 7 pound range here in the states but we have lousy mortality/morbidity rates here.  Unless the baby is stressed there is absolutely no reason to give pitocin.  I am not as cynical to believe that most ob's are more interested in extra cash then the babies or moms health but most are trained to look at worst case scenarios so they want more control over the situation.  Not in the moms or babies best interest generally but most docs are doing the very best they know how - whether or not that is the best to do.  Having had a pit drip (after 40 hours of hard labor that was going nowhere in rural alaska) that turned into an emergency c-section after a medivac flight to fairbanks - I strongly recommend against the pit drip.  It did not cause my c-section but made the rest of my labor horrific and turned what could have been a simple change of plans into a huge ordeal with general anesthetic because the pain was so bad they could not touch me to do an epi.  This was 24 years ago.  I believe the total charge for the section was 11,500 which included 5,500 for the medivac LOL.  The section I had 4 years ago was in the $7-8000 range I believe with most of that going to the hospital, anesthesiologist, etc.If mom and babe are fine the best choice is to let nature take its course.  Patience is sometimes rather hard to come by in today's medicine.AlizaIf possible, the most natural/drug-free birth you can think of isbest, for you and your baby. BTW, what's wrong with an 8 pound baby?I'm 5'1" and 110 lbs (when not pregnant) and I delivered an 8 lb 6 ozgirl naturally, no problem (I credit the prenatal yoga for increasingmy legendarily poor flexibility). Other friends of mine had evenbigger babies--one mom, who, granted, is also a significantly largerperson than me, delivered a 10-lb girl naturally. So, a 7-8 lb babyis not normally a valid reason to induce 2 weeks early. I'd belooking for other reasons, such as if the doctor wants to make hisvacation flight, or like you said, is looking for a little extraincome (C-sections cost something outrageous like $50k!). Midwivesare often a better choice than doctors; if you feel safer in ahospital, there are in many states Certified Nurse Midwives whopractice in hostpitals. See www.acnm.org to find a midwife for thenext baby.Good luck!Barrie

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> If I remember my numbers correctly 8 pounds is the average birth

> weight in countries with excellent birth rates. I believe we are in

> the 7 pound range here in the states but we have lousy mortality/

> morbidity rates here.

That's very interesting, Aliza--I didn't know that, but it makese

sense. I maintain that our mortality rates are high because of all

the unnecessary interventions, but that could be because I read

Mothering Magazine (they're very anti-intervention, anti-vaccine, etc.

so definitely not unbiased).

> Unless the baby is stressed there is

> absolutely no reason to give pitocin. I am not as cynical to believe

> that most ob's are more interested in extra cash then the babies or

> moms health but most are trained to look at worst case scenarios so

> they want more control over the situation. Not in the moms or babies

> best interest generally but most docs are doing the very best they

> know how - whether or not that is the best to do.

Yes, you're right--of course most docs are just trying to do what they

know best, and MD/OB education in the US generally emphasises

intervention in a non-normal birth where the mother's or baby's life

needs to be saved, and 90% of births do not fall into this category.

So doctors are probably at a loss when faced with, in reality, a

normal birth, but one which does not progress according to the

statistically-normal timeline (or, in this case, size of baby) which

they've come to expect, so administer the familiar drugs to bring the

birth back to that familiar place. Anyway, sorry to be so cynical

before, it doesn't help things. It's more constructive to try and

understand what's going on so you know better how to counteract it if

you want to avoid that outcome.

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> Having had a pit drip (after 40 hours of hard labor that was going

> nowhere in rural alaska) that turned into an emergency c-section

> after a medivac flight to fairbanks - I strongly recommend against

> the pit drip. It did not cause my c-section but made the rest of my

> labor horrific and turned what could have been a simple change of

> plans into a huge ordeal with general anesthetic because the pain was

> so bad they could not touch me to do an epi.

Wow, that's horrible, I'm sorry to hear about your awful experience.

I would theorize from my armchair here (well, couch) that it's

possible the pitocin did have a hand in causing the C-section, albeit

not directly. Since pitocin can cause extremely hard contractions, I

hear it can become impossible to dilate normally, thus necessitating

an eventual C-section. I don't wish that on anyone, and I hope the

OP's daughter-in-law can avoid both pitocin and a C-section.

Take care,

Barrie

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Hello All,, I wanted to let everyone know she had her baby,,, she listened to the doctors, despite all the wonderful info everyone had shared,,The HUGE baby was only 8lbs when born,,and as the wonderful mother in law that I am,,I listened to her tell me how horrid it was,,and that I was right,,LOL hmm maybe i aint so dumb eh?? So I told her not to give the baby formula,,it is very bad for him, but alas,,She is not listening to this advice either !! I told her I have several goats in milk and would be willing to supply her with good, clean, healthy milk,,but ..whatever,,, I will continue to give her info,,but you try not to be tooo interfering, as they don't really like that !! Live and learn... in PA

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How did things go with your daughter in law?

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Hi ,Sounds like a beautiful baby came into the world - I'm so happy for you!  No doubt a natural delivery would have been easier on Mama, as well as perhaps more possible than she/doc thought.  Perhaps this will enlighten her for next time... Tho' now she will have the whole VBAC rupture scare going on.  Poor girl.  Well, Grandma, just keep up the good work and congratulations!SummerHello All,, I wanted to let everyone know she had her baby,,, she listened to the doctors, despite all the wonderful info everyone had shared,,The HUGE baby was only 8lbs when born,,and as the wonderful mother in law that I am,,I listened to her tell me how horrid it was,,and that I was right,,LOL hmm maybe i aint so dumb eh?? So I told her not to give the baby formula,,it is very bad for him, but alas,,She is not listening to this advice either !!  I told her I have several goats in milk and would be willing to supply her with good, clean, healthy milk,,but ..whatever,,, I will continue to give her info,,but you try not to be tooo interfering, as they don't really like that !!  Live and learn...          in PA

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You could adopt my husband and be my mother-in-law!

sounds like a plan LOL !!

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You could adopt my husband and be my mother-in-law!

Twilitelaughfarm@... wrote:

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> Hello All,, I wanted to let everyone know she had her baby,,, she

listened to

> the doctors, despite all the wonderful info everyone had

shared,,The HUGE

> baby was only 8lbs when born,,and as the wonderful mother in law

that I am,,I

> listened to her tell me how horrid it was,,and that I was

right,,LOL hmm maybe i

> aint so dumb eh??

> So I told her not to give the baby formula,,it is very bad for him,

but

> alas,,She is not listening to this advice either !! I told her I

have several

> goats in milk and would be willing to supply her with good, clean,

healthy

> milk,,but ..whatever,,, I will continue to give her info,,but you

try not to be tooo

> interfering, as they don't really like that !! Live and

learn...

> in PA

>