re: help - sick from drinking raw milk

[Guest guest]

Am I the only suspicious one in the bunch? My gut reaction when I read this post was that it must be a plant or a hoax by someone trying to give raw milk a bad name. Commercial milk is tested daily! A commercial dairy with a high bacteria count will be paying the milk truck driver to buy the milk back! "I do recall . . . ??" That would be like giant alarm bell, wouldn't it? Who in their right mind would feed their kids this milk after watching the claw fall on the ground?!

Robin, if this is indeed your true story, I apologize and I hope you find a safe source of milk soon.

Ever cynical,

Polly

<<<I do recall that the milk supplier (whom we personally like a great> deal) did say that last month's milk supply test said that their> bacteria was high. They were trying to find and correct this.

The talk around our small town was that there was> a strange flu bug going around. So I dismissed it. Well, by and by,> half of our family got the cramps/diarrhea, fever and vomitting

[Guest guest]

1. Immunity equals exposure

2. If a person is not used to raw milk they will be exposed to things

they have not been exposed to in the past.

3. If a person's health (I'll say pH) is not good then when a person

is exposed to new microorganisms they may have a reaction. Everyone

will react differently to any one organism.

One of the magical aspects of raw milk is how it assists in building

an immune system. It exposes the drinker and gives the drinker

wonderful nutrients to restore health. The restoration of health is

through exposure and immune response.

[Guest guest]

If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are allowed to

have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as 300,000.

Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that came

in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

D.

moderator

>

> Am I the only suspicious one in the bunch? My gut reaction when I read this

post was

that it must be a plant or a hoax by someone trying to give raw milk a bad name.

Commercial milk is tested daily! A commercial dairy with a high bacteria count

will be

paying the milk truck driver to buy the milk back! " I do recall . . . ?? " That

would be like

giant alarm bell, wouldn't it? Who in their right mind would feed their kids

this milk after

watching the claw fall on the ground?!

>

> Robin, if this is indeed your true story, I apologize and I hope you find a

safe source of

milk soon.

>

> Ever cynical,

> Polly

>

[Guest guest]

Standard plate counts have nothing to do with food/milk safty. some

of the healthies milk for us will have high plate counts. Human

Pathogen free milk equates to food/milk safty. Plate counts are an

idication of a variety of things but it does not confirm milk safty.

>

> If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are allowed to

> have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as 300,000.

> Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

> allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

> Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

> Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

> tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that came

> in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

> D.

> moderator

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is very true! (eventhough we didn't call it a SPC but same thing

I'm sure) But only for cow's milk. Goat's milk naturally has a

higher " bacteria " count, often close to a million BUT these are mostly

GOOD bugs. This is partially why goat milk is better for you. Just

something to keep in mind when comparison shopping!

" chicsingr2 " wrote:

If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are allowed to

have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as 300,000.

Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that came

in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

D. - moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi Charity,

Actually though, I think what you are referring to is SCC, or Somatic

Cell Count. That is usually higher in goats than cows, and it is a

different measurement than SPC. Somatic Cells are white blood cells

that have been sloughed off from mastitis or other infections in the

teats. It cannot be too high in commercial, confinement dairy cows,

because their " score " with the milk co-op/processors goes down the

higher it is, and they get less money from the co-op for their milk. SCC

can tend to be a little higher in goat milk for some reason, while SPC

tends to be lower. SPC is the total overall bacteria count--good or bad.

A low number is great!

Most all people can handle a little exposure to bad pathogens. For

example, we have listeria all over us all the time.

Ever heard of a product called Listerine? We use that to kill the bacteria

called listeria that resides in our mouths all the time. It's all over us, in

our noses even, right now. <sniff> And we need small exposures to these

pathogens to keep up our immunities to them. That's why babies put things

in their mouths, why puppies chew, why baby horses are " mouthy. "

Because God designed it that way, to build up their immunities to

pathogens. It's a good thing. The trouble comes when we receive

an overdose of any of these pathogens and it overwhelms our systems.

Stop rambling . I'm so chatty today!

D.

moderator

>

> If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are allowed to

> have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as 300,000.

> Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

> allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

> Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

> Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

> tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that came

> in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

> D. - moderator

>

[Guest guest]

Somatic Cell Count also goes up in late lactation, no infection

needed.

Dixon

Ozark Jewels

Dairy and Meat Goats

Boers, Nubians, Lamanchas and Alpines

http://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/

> >

> > If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are

allowed to

> > have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as

300,000.

> > Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

> > allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

> > Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

> > Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

> > tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that

came

> > in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

> > D. - moderator

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is Somatic Cell Count that I was thinking of. And I am rembereing

300,000 as ok for cattle and 1 million ok for goats.

" Charity " wrote:

That is very true! (eventhough we didn't call it a SPC but same thing

I'm sure) But only for cow's milk. Goat's milk naturally has a

higher " bacteria " count, often close to a million BUT these are

mostly GOOD bugs. This is partially why goat milk is better for you.

Just something to keep in mind when comparison shopping!

Charity

www.FamilyFarms.com

" chicsingr2 " <shawn@> wrote:

If I recall correctly, commercial confinement dairies are allowed to

have their raw Standard Plate Count (SPC) tests as high as 300,000.

Mark McAfee's SPC's usually come in at under 10,000. The PMO

allows for pasteurized milk to come in at 20,000. The fact that

Mark's comes in at under 10,000 even when RAW speaks volumes.

Sometimes his SPC is even 0...yes, zero. Commercial dairies are

tested but I really don't think I would want to drink milk that came

in with an SPC of 299,000. That's a lot o'bugs. Just me though.

D. - moderator

[Guest guest]

Dear & Group:

Thank you and the others for this most interesting aspect of Raw

Dairy.

I would like to add something that may be news to many.

Yes, all healthy people can and will handle exposure to pathogens. In

this regard Louis Pasteur caused a lot of misery to humanity, by not

listening to his colleague and rival Antoine Béchamp. According to

some sources, in his deathbed Pasteur said, " Antoine Béchamp is

right, It Is The Terrain. " If you want to learn more about this great

Fiasco and Tragedy of our medical system, I suggest you read " The

Curse Of Pasteur, " by Appleton, PhD. Alternatively, a search in

the Internet will provide more you ever want to know about this issue.

Amazingly, for generations since, the Medical/Health establishment

has been " barking up the wrong tree, " and continues to do so.

The real trouble comes when " The Terrain " gets fouled up. A healthy

body cannot get sick. That is why good nutrition is most important,

and raw dairy can be an important part of that. No, I am not

overlooking good sanitation.

This two parts article by Carolyn Dean adds fodder to the above:

http://tinyurl.com/ybrhcc http://tinyurl.com/ylshyc

Best wishes.

Johan

> Most all people can handle a little exposure to bad pathogens.

> The trouble comes when we receive

> an overdose of any of these pathogens and it overwhelms our systems.