Re: antiACLU as well as antiNAIS

[Guest guest]

Hi Gordon, I did what you suggested and went to the ACLU site and looked at it's causes. I don't mean to be difficult here, but could you explain what "fruits" you are refering to. They have a long list of causes they are concerned about--to what particulars do you refer that make them NOT a friend of Americans? Sorry if I misses a post, but I really want to know about this. Thanks, Ellie"Gordon S. " wrote: Before you entangle yourselves with the ACLU, take a good look at its pedigree and the causes it has, and continues to, promote : Jesus said "by their fruits ye shall know them."

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[Guest guest]

> Before you entangle yourselves with the ACLU, take a good look

at its pedigree and the causes it has, and continues to, promote :

Jesus said " by their fruits ye shall know them. "

>

Amen Gordon,

We've made the mistake of thinking that our country is a democracy.

It wasn't our senators and representatives who came up with the

NAIS, just as it isn't the parents raising the nation's children

anymore.

If we want to make change, it's going to take more than a phone call

and letter writing campaign. It's going to take major lifestyle

decision changes. Mothers need to be the ones raising their

children and fathers need to take care of the children and widows

instead of blowing their money and thinking that the govt. should

take care of their offspring and ex-wives.

$ talks more than anything these days. I'm always re-thinking how

I spend my money to make the maximum effect.

For example, we don't send our children to public school, we try

more and more to buy 2nd hand or direct from the producer. Paying

cash instead of financing does more than just help your personal

finances.

There's a really great article at

http://www.womensgroup.org/2005_ADVANCES_THE_STRUCTURE_AND_POWER_OF_W

ORLD_GOVERNMENT.htm

that shows how US policies are being made without a democratic

process. It was only recently that I learned how the public schools

are being used as a vehicle to usher in the new world order. By

taking away the local school board's say, the schools became a

federal affair and the UN's agenda is being actively taught to our

nation's youth.

Let's buy direct, even if it's an inconvenience, our health and

community will benefit,

[Guest guest]

Exposure of what the ACLU is, is there for those who care to know. I'll give you one quick for-instance.Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a judge on the Supreme Court of the United States. She got there after being one of the bright lights with the ACLU as it brought in abortion-on-demand. 4000 unborn Americans are liquidated every business in the country's abortion mills - a calculated genocide for which much credit is due the ACLU.I could go on : but the evidence is there for those who sincerely seek to understand how the American Civil Liberties Union is an "anti-christ" outfit dedicated to destroying America's Christian heritage. Pay attention to the posts, Mr. Chapin, and you'll have to admit that the majority of members of this forum are Christians who want to assert the God-given right to use and enjoy their own private property. Contrast that with the facts that a] - the ACLU started out and still is a communist front. b] - One of the main tenets of communism is the elimination of private property.I doubt if this forum really wants to go 'way off into the issue, but if you persist, I'll provide the details of the anecdote where the Reproductive Rights fund of the ACLU bribed the Privacy Commissioner of British Columbia, namely Flaherty, to make an order preventing me from accessing the public accounts of the Province. I was just about to prove that the BC abortion mills were grafting tax money back to the governing party. Some may be intrigued with the facts about the wicked heart of the ACLU ... but I get the distinct impression you're not one of them. ___________________________ >> >> Before you entangle yourselves with the ACLU, take a good> >>look at its pedigree and the causes it has, and continues to,> >>promote : Jesus said "by their fruits ye shall know them."> > Right Gordon, like when the ACLU joined with Conservatives to stop> national ID cards. And to stop airlines from datamining airline> passengers info (CAPPS II). Or joined with conservatives to fight the> Patriot Act. And the FCC push for radio monopolies. And innumerable> times when Conservatives have ranted and railed like banshees against> the ACLU but were the first in line to ask for its help when they found> themselves getting the short end of the stick...and got help...> > Because there are many of us here, Gordon, who put up with all your> ranting and raving and total BS and are still here holding our noses and> still trying our best to work with you for the common good. So stop> bitching and start helping.> > And writes:> >It was only recently that I learned how the public schools> >are being used as a vehicle to usher in the new world order.> > Uh, , hate to break this to you, but the phrase "New World Order"> is one of the main ideas of both Presidents Bushes, both good> Republicans that I am guessing you voted for. If you don't love the New> World Order, then why did you vote it into the Presidency, the Senate,> and Congress, and now (indirectly) the Supreme Court?> > Stop complaining about what you helped do to us. When you find yourself> in a hole, then stop digging. And if you don't like the New World> Order, then stop voting it into office.> > Tom> > http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north342.html> In 1990, conservatives were more likely to recognize this vision of> world transformation as being at odds with the American Constitutional> tradition of limited government. Conservatives today apparently no> longer have qualms about a President who commits the nation's resources> to the creation of a new world order.>

[Guest guest]

To me, the ACLU is kind of a mixed bag. Sometimes they are on the right

side and sometimes they go loopy and support things that are just so anti-

freedom. They have been on the side of conservatives at times and liberals

at times. I think it's worth a shot to just ASK them to help out. They can

just

say no--and probably will. Seems like they are more interested in controversial

social issues. But I don't know! They might surprise me. Regardless, it's

worth a try.

:-)

D.

>

> Thank you for this post Tom.

>

> Regardless of what a person's beliefs are with regard to religion and abortion

rights, the

ACLU is there to defend the rights of the American People......period.

>

> The NAIS violates the rights of the American people and if the ACLU receives

enough

letters, they will help.

>

> That is the only reason I have posted the info about them. This group is not

interested

in anything but maintaining our farms and providing and consuming raw dairy

which will

become impossible if the government is allowed to tell us what to do with our

land and

animals.

>

> K.C.

> Re: Re: antiACLU as well as antiNAIS

>

>

> Gordon expostulates:

> >Pay attention to the posts, Mr. Chapin, and you'll have to admit that

> >the majority of members of this forum are Christians who want to ...

[Guest guest]

Ellie, the ACLU was set up during a time when Americans felt their rights were in trouble and since we all have to stay on top of our rights and NEVER let them be taken from us, the ACLU has always been there to fight the good fight.

You didn't miss a thing.

K.C.

Re: antiACLU as well as antiNAIS

Hi Gordon,

I did what you suggested and went to the ACLU site and looked at it's causes. I don't mean to be difficult here, but could you explain what "fruits" you are refering to. They have a long list of causes they are concerned about--to what particulars do you refer that make them NOT a friend of Americans? Sorry if I misses a post, but I really want to know about this.

Thanks,

Ellie"Gordon S. " wrote:

Before you entangle yourselves with the ACLU, take a good look at its pedigree and the causes it has, and continues to, promote : Jesus said "by their fruits ye shall know them."

Should'st thou ally thyself with anti-christs who are hard at work eradicating your heritage ? which side of the property rights issue are they really on?

the so-called American Civil Liberties Union is no friend of the People of the united States.

________________________

http://beyondthesidewalk.com

Books by Ellie Winslow

"MAKING MONEY WITH GOATS"

"LIVING BEYOND THE SIDEWALK: And How To Thrive There"

"STORIES From Beyond the Sidewalk: An Anthology"

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We try to contain the vitriol, but sometimes it can get feisty on this board.

It

happens on a lot of groups. You've just gotta find a way to deal with it. So I

am definitely trying.

:-)

D.

moderator

>

> Ugh! As one who is new to this forum, I am annoyed at the " mud-slinging " and

> argumentative tone this post has taken. I believe one of the " rules " of this

> list is to refrain from political debates and it seems that is exactly what

> this has become. I am here to learn what I can about raw dairy...not to

> listen to people's views on politics...if I wanted to debate (or listen to

> such debating) about personal feelings on politics, I would have joined one

> of those groups...

>

> Thank you, Gordon, for having the balls to speak the truth....we need more

> like you.

>

>

>

> " I do not ask that Thou should give me some high or noble task. Give me

> little hands to fold in mine. Give me little children to point Thy way, over

> the strange, sweet path that leads to You. Give me little voices to teach to

> pray. Give me shining eyes Thy face to see. The only crown I ask to wear is

> this, that I may teach my children. I do not ask that I may stand among the

> wise, the worthy, or the great; I only ask that softly, hand in hand my

> children and I may enter at the gate. "

> -Anonymous

> -----Original Message-----

[Guest guest]

Yea, it is a tough call, . NAIS seems to be a bit on topic because

raw dairy involves cows and privacy etc. But I do understand your frustration

when you aren't interested in a topic and it seems to go on and on. Perhaps

we will do a bit more on NAIS and then ask folks to just post something if

there is any updates or changes or movement on it. It is getting a bit

tedious.

:-)

D.

moderator

> This forum is not about the morality of executing Persons unborn.

> Do us the minimum courtesy of reading the thread so as to understand the

issue = a

proposal for antiNAIS people to call on the ACLU.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Friends,

I never said it was off topic, just that it seemed to have been discussed to

death. I

am fine if you all really want to continue plowing the same plot of land over

and

over. That's all I meant. It definitely does involve Raw Dairy and cows and

privacy, like I said, and NAIS does need to be met head on and stopped.....

:-)

D.

moderator

>

> Bea is correct, milk comes from farm animals. The NAIS discussion may be

getting a

little tedious but I want you to tell me how tedious it will be when you have to

report every

movement of every animal on your farm after this insidious program is fully

implemented.

Most of us won't be able or willing to pay the price or afford the cost of the

program let

alone be willing to endure the intrusion into our civil liberties. Tedious as

it may seem, it

is totally MILK related. Everyone had better pay attention. This is not the

time to stick

your head in the sand. Not wanting to be bothered with the uncomfortable

feelings and

frustration of the harangue of the discussion is precisely why we are at the

point we are at

now! When you have to pay an exorbitant fee to the NAIS for the privilege of

putting a tag

in the ear of every animal and bird on your place with a bar code on it so they

can read it

from a satellite 200 miles above the earth please don't blame those who are

conducting

tedious discussions.

> Thanks,

> Noah

> Re: antiACLU as well as antiNAIS

>

>

> Yea, it is a tough call, . NAIS seems to be a bit on topic

because

> raw dairy involves cows and privacy etc. But I do understand your

frustration

> when you aren't interested in a topic and it seems to go on and on.

Perhaps

> we will do a bit more on NAIS and then ask folks to just post something if

> there is any updates or changes or movement on it. It is getting a bit

> tedious.

> :-)

> D.

> moderator

>

[Guest guest]

K.C. is right on target. This simple act could release us; open up

new horizons on this board, provided 860 members pay attention; quit

writing HERE, and write where it will do some good. You're preaching

to the choir HERE...get out those pens and fight for your freedom

where it MATTERS!

-Blair

(put Kathyrn's quotes here)

>

> I may be a pain in the butt, however, I believe EVERYONE, not just

those with the cows, chickens and goats need to address this. YOU ALL

have to start writing letters to the paper, legislators and even your

dog and cat breed clubs.

> Please, everyone get up off the couch and don't just answer emails,

start writing letters to anyone you can. The more that gets to the

papers and legislators the better chance we have to stop this.

>