Re: New kind of raw milk problem

[Guest guest]

I think that's great for you to make that decision for

yourself. You should have every right to do so. But

I don't think the government should be able to mandate

what anybody else does. Public service announcements,

anything they want to do, but not law. Period. I

don't know what they do vis a vis your stated

concerns, but I bet The LaLeche League, #1 has

safeguards in place, and #2 has a HUGE opinion about

this issue! If I get more time later, I will go check

it out. At the very least, it should be interesting to

see what they say.

,L.Ac.

--- wrote:

> I don't think the government should become involved,

> but I do think that

> using other moms' milk might potentially pose a

> problem. For one thing, HIV

> (whether it's been proven to be the cause of AIDS or

> not) is present in the

> breast milk of infected mothers, as are other

> pathogens, toxins, drugs, etc.

> Wouldn't one have to have the milk repeatedly

> tested? And as far as HIV, it

> might not show up right away. I'm not sure how I

> feel about this; but, I

> don't think I could ever risk it. Just my .02!

>

> ~~

>

> New kind of raw milk problem

>

>

> > Posted with permission:

> >

> > --- Will Winter wrote:

> >> Last night on a Zahn on CNN there was a

> >> hilarious story about the government trying

> >> to shut down another illegal activity: mothers

> who

> >> are unable to breast feed their babies

> >> and who want to buy breast milk from other moms

> (or

> >> have other moms wet nurse their

> >> babies). It's ILLEGAL! The government wants to

> >> control it, pasteurize it, and regulate the

> >> sale. They can't figure out why these mothers

> just

> >> don't use FORMULA! They had

> >> " pediatricians " on the show testifying how SCARY

> >> this dangerous " milk sharing " could be!!!

> >> ARRRRGGGGG!

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

On this issue I'd say that it's just fine to swap mother's for breastfeeding. This is how civilizations did it since time immemorial. After all, a thousand years ago they couldn't turn to formula if one mother had breatfeeding problems. As for the concern someone mentioned with drugs and HIV. Of course, duh, you wouldn't give your child to be nursed by someone who had HIV or who was on prescription drugs, illegal drugs, or any other kind of risk. Is there some risk involved, sure, there's risk everytime you drive your car or get on a plane. Life is very risky, we have to manage our risks. I think most women's milk would be fine. _______________________ Alpenpässe Chèvres SuissesAlpine Pass Swiss Dairy Goats Naftoli, Efraim, & Ilana Pickard 45201 Carmel Valley road Greenfield, CA 93927

Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars.

[Guest guest]

I don't think this necessitates a "duh" as you say because nowhere in my response to this issue did I presume someone would **knowingly** put their baby at risk. But we all know that it doesn't so much matter what a person tells us they do or don't do ... we can never know for sure, so I personally wouldn't risk it without 100% certainty; that's all.

~ ~

MA

Re: New kind of raw milk problem

<snip>

As for the concern someone mentioned with drugs and HIV. Of course, duh, you wouldn't give your child to be nursed by someone who had HIV or who was on prescription drugs, illegal drugs, or any other kind of risk.

Is there some risk involved, sure, there's risk everytime you drive your car or get on a plane. Life is very risky, we have to manage our risks.

I think most women's milk would be fine.

_______________________

Alpenpässe Chèvres SuissesAlpine Pass Swiss Dairy Goats

Naftoli, Efraim, & Ilana Pickard

45201 Carmel Valley road

Greenfield, CA 93927

Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

[Guest guest]

It's been 10 years since I was the one in need of fresh breast milk

for a special needs child, so my experiences may be dated, but the

facts of my daughter's improved digestibility on the breast milk

will never be 'dated' <G>.

I had a number of friends and even some women I didn't know at all

who lovingly donated breast milk to help my daughter. I can't even

begin to tell you how much I appreciated their loving care. My

daughter never threw up breast milk, though she had severe GERD and

a rare chromosomal abnormality. She didn't have cramps from it and

was content.

During that time I remember the breast milk banks had been shut

down, but at some point I remember someone having a preemie and

being able to get insurance coverage for ordering breastmilk from a

bank in Dallas, TX.

I thought they had figured out how to screen the milk and had re-

opened breastmilk banks for those in need.

Wetnursing in my opinion is an excellent career -- The hand that

rocks the cradle rules the world,

[Guest guest]

christina, by your logic you should not be drinking milk from a cow,

with that cow being who knows where, either. If you know the gov has

been lying to you about raw milk then where did you get the belief

that the AIDS stuff (and the this stuff and that stuff) is true ?

why is the milk from humans inherently dangerous and the milk from

cows safe? Is it that you believe a man or woman who purchases a

farm is the type who's responsible but the woman who would give her

milk to a baby could be just about anyone?

The same system works with people as with cow shares. If you know

the person and know her lifestyle (drugs, no drugs) you have a

greater confidence in her than you can get from any gov agency.

LAURA.

> >> Last night on a Zahn on CNN there was a

> >> hilarious story about the government trying

> >> to shut down another illegal activity: mothers who

> >> are unable to breast feed their babies

> >> and who want to buy breast milk from other moms (or

> >> have other moms wet nurse their

> >> babies). It's ILLEGAL! The government wants to

> >> control it, pasteurize it, and regulate the

> >> sale. They can't figure out why these mothers just

> >> don't use FORMULA! They had

> >> " pediatricians " on the show testifying how SCARY

> >> this dangerous " milk sharing " could be!!!

> >> ARRRRGGGGG!

[Guest guest]

Of course, so why post? This is like coming into a raw fruit forum

and saying that we should be careful because apples could be rotten

or have worms, you know.

~LAURA~

>

> I don't think this necessitates a " duh " as you say because nowhere

in my response to this issue did I presume someone would

**knowingly** put their baby at risk. But we all know that it

doesn't so much matter what a person tells us they do or don't

do ... we can never know for sure, so I personally wouldn't risk it

without 100% certainty; that's all.

>

> ~ ~

> MA

> Re: New kind of raw milk problem

>

>

>

> <snip>

> As for the concern someone mentioned with drugs and HIV. Of

course, duh, you wouldn't give your child to be nursed by someone

who had HIV or who was on prescription drugs, illegal drugs, or any

other kind of risk.

>

> Is there some risk involved, sure, there's risk everytime you

drive your car or get on a plane. Life is very risky, we have to

manage our risks.

>

> I think most women's milk would be fine.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Er, isn't human breast milk a form of raw milk?

- Jerome, not wanting to make trouble, but what is raw milk

if not milk that is raw, unprocessed?

[snip]

> ... particularly since breastmilk is not raw milk ...

[Guest guest]

I realized after I hit Send that I meant to say raw **cow's** milk, but it

really doesn't matter. I'm not really interested in pursuing this.

Re: Re: New kind of raw milk problem

> Er, isn't human breast milk a form of raw milk?

>

> - Jerome, not wanting to make trouble, but what is raw milk

> if not milk that is raw, unprocessed?

>

>

>

> [snip]

>> ... particularly since breastmilk is not raw milk ...

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One point:

Breast milk has no more toxins than any other mammal milk that ingests

things w/ toxins. Your own breast milk could easily have toxins. Little is

perfect.

There have been studies, one in particular, that show that pasteurized

breast milk is no better than preterm formula for premature babies, while

raw donated or mothers own breast milk is superior for health. Raw is

Better.

kathryn russell

www.MajestyFarm.com

 

" The one the tyrants fear is the man who

knows his rights and is prepared to stand up for them. "

andr Solzhenitsyn   

Re: Re: New kind of raw milk problem

I really don't understand why you appear so antagonistic on this issue! As

with every other issue that comes up, I am entitled to my opinion. I simply

felt that your " duh " was rude. And your analogy is weak, particularly since

breastmilk is not raw milk and does carry toxins, etc. If you're proposing

that breastmilk should be shared (and I'm not saying it shouldn't), it seems

reasonable to consider the downside! What's the problem here?!

~~

Re: New kind of raw milk problem

>>

>>

>>

>> <snip>

>> As for the concern someone mentioned with drugs and HIV. Of

> course, duh, you wouldn't give your child to be nursed by someone

> who had HIV or who was on prescription drugs, illegal drugs, or any

> other kind of risk.

>>

>> Is there some risk involved, sure, there's risk everytime you

> drive your car or get on a plane. Life is very risky, we have to

> manage our risks.

>>

>> I think most women's milk would be fine.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

>