Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 YOu know, After reading all this about this NAIS...Russia is starting to look pretty good right now..or what the heck, any communist country..these friggin people have more freedoms than us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 For those interested in making a concerted effort to oppose the animal identification plan there is a forum where people are trying to come together and make plans to do so....http://stopanimalid.org/forum/index.phpJust wanted to let folks know that there is a very good chance to stop this thing, but some action is required. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 the problem is..if your a commericial dairy..you don't need to worry about this..seems the gov't is way ahead of us on this one..they know that $$$ talks..so they are not enforcing this on them right away..A friend of mine was thinking about a commericial herd and questioned about this...she was told commericial dairys were exempt...hmmmmmmm.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 And you are an idiot and an alarmist. The information I put on here was true and accurate and you just don't like that a woman put it on and if it came from a male vet you would probably accept it better. I suggest EVERYONE call your state vet, your Dept. of Ag and get the truth about what each state is doing with this and don't allow some insecure person to scare you into doing something you might regret. I've never put anything on this list that I haven't checked out first. Plus if you want to read things into the web site that isn't there, that's up to you. With that, I will leave you all to use your best judgment and don't just listen to alarmist tactics. It's BS to not do what you need to in order to protect your rights. But make the call and find out for yourself. This person would rather you NOT do that. Apparently the conspiracy theorists here have you all too scared to do what you know you should.....make that call and find out from your own state what they are planning. You don't even have to give a name. K.C. Re: NAIS > The amount of misinformation you have managed to put > into this one post is phenomenal. You have gone a long > way toward wiping out every good thing you have ever > done on this list with this one post. NAIS is a > program designed primarily to control and harass small > owners of livestock. > > I encourage you not to post anymore on this topic. > > THIS IS GOING TO BE MANDATORY. HERE IS THE TIMETABLE: > > Timeline Key milestones: > . July 2005: All States capable of premises > registration. > . July 2005: Animal Identification Number system > operational. > . April 2007: Premises registration and animal > identification > " alerts " . > . January 2008: Premises registration and animal > identification > required. > . January 2009: Reporting of defined animal movements > required; > entire program mandatory. > > And if part of the timetable gets pushed back, IT > DOESN " T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WILL HAPPEN. This is > already law. > > Here is the complete document: > > http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/pdf/NAIS_Draft_Strategic_Plan_42505.pd\ f > > Here is an article from someone who is much better > informed than your vet: > > http://www.bantamclub.com/hobby/Why%20You%20Should%20Oppose.pdf > > --- Tinybabe wrote: > >> OK folks I just talked to the state vet to get the >> low down on all this NAIS stuff. >> >> Yes, originally, the government (State in >> conjunction with the Fed) wanted to track all the >> animals in the country in order to track diseased >> animals. Llamas because they can get hoof and mouth >> disease. And the reason for the chip in the llamas >> was because they realized that NO BREEDER or owner >> of llamas wants a tag on them. Other animals in case >> they get into the food chain. >> >> However, they realized early on that this was not >> going to be feasible due to the vast amount of small >> farms, hobbyists, etc. and the millions of animals >> across the U.S. that NEVER leave their farm. It is >> still a voluntary situation if you want to go ahead >> and do this. >> >> The way it's going to work is that any animal that >> comes through the sale/auction yards will >> automatically be given a number and the owner's will >> get a premise ID as well. This is now going to >> pertain primarily to the animals that go through all >> the sales in the country figuring they will be sold >> for food (meat or milk). >> >> NO, they are NOT going to go farm to farm. If you >> have diary goats, a micro dairy (that is not state >> licensed), a few cows or even 30 of them and they >> don't leave the property (raised, bred, live and die >> on the same property) or get sold at auction, they >> WILL NOT be given an ID number and you won't have to >> have a premise number. So, if you sell a couple >> calves, kids or other animals privately, you have >> nothing to worry about. If they are going out of >> state, they will need all the normal paperwork >> anyway. >> >> Yes, there was a deadline that was closer, but now, >> it's been extended to 2009 and may go beyond that. >> And in some smaller states, they may have the >> resources to go to the farms, but that's not how >> it's being set up. So, if someone comes to your >> farm, you still have till 2009 to comply. Larger >> states with vast areas and many small farms are not >> going to have anyone come out and insist they get ID >> tags or numbers for their premises or animals. This >> has apparently been agreed upon by one and all >> involved at the state and federal levels. >> >> At any rate, the time frame has been extended to >> 2009, so you have plenty of time to figure out how >> you want to deal with this. >> >> Also, originally, she said the old timers were >> initially for this because they thought the IRS was >> going to be involved and they would have some tax >> benefits from it. However, since it is only for >> tracking diseased animals found in the food chain, >> the old timers have backed off of supporting the >> program. So, that told the state and federal >> agencies that this wasn't going to be as easy as >> they thought and is part of the reason they have >> extended out as far as they have. And who knows, if >> they get more opposition, it may never become >> mandatory even for the bigger operations. >> >> K.C. >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hi Carmen, I was just reading a story in this months countryside magazine and they say this can be moved to 2009. It starts on page 67 and ends on page 70 here is a quote from the article by Zanoni Ph.D ( Cornell) J.D. ( Yale) this is supposedly the USDA's planned NAIS timetable the timetable set forth on April 25th, 2005 for implementing the mandatory nais. essentially the USDA timetable would make premises identification and individual animals identification mandatory as of January 1st, 2008. They warn thought that they cannot assure that the USDA will not advance nor delay this previous set out timetable. They also say that the USDA's timetable may differ from that of individual states which have an incentive of grant money form the USDA to establish pilot projects of premises & animal identification.in the fall of 2007 the USDA plans to publish a "FINAL RULE" to establish the requirements of the mandatory NAIS. Jan 2008 - the most crucial date in the USDA's present timetable, the date when premises identification and animals identification would become mandatory. Jan 2009 - "Animal tracking" would become mandatory including "enforcement" of the reporting of animals movement. the article goes on but that's the timetable which was in the article. Maybe check it out ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hi , Okay this is really uncalled-for harshness. Let's try to control our desire to flame each other, no matter how much we disagree. It is possible to just say, well, no that's wrong and let me explain why. If you are going to be on a chat group, you must learn email etiquette. It is difficult to control yourself in this medium, and the temptation to be harsh and cruel with the written word can be overwhelming, but it must be overcome. One of our goals with Raw Dairy is to create a friendly, non-hostile atmosphere. We are all on the same team and have enough enemies without attacking each other. We really don't need that, and I won't tolerate it. K.C. was just putting up information that she received from a state-approved vet--that seems pretty official to me and worthy of at least posting. Please refrain from personal attacks and harshness. Thank you, D. moderator > > The amount of misinformation you have managed to put > into this one post is phenomenal. You have gone a long > way toward wiping out every good thing you have ever > done on this list with this one post. NAIS is a > program designed primarily to control and harass small > owners of livestock. > > I encourage you not to post anymore on this topic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Again, let's take it easy, friends. Keep it kind...I know it's difficult, but it is necessary. :-) D. moderator > > And you are an idiot and an alarmist. > > The information I put on here was true and accurate and you just don't like > that a woman put it on and if it came from a male vet you would probably > accept it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 , Thank you for this. That kind of attitude of, " well I'm the expert and you are just an AMATEUR " smacks of disrespect. Well done! > > > > The amount of misinformation you have managed to put > > into this one post is phenomenal. You have gone a long > > way toward wiping out every good thing you have ever > > done on this list with this one post. NAIS is a > > program designed primarily to control and harass small > > owners of livestock. > > > > I encourage you not to post anymore on this topic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Thank you so much for posting that Noah. I'm sending it to the Idaho Statesman. I had talked with the Statehouse news editor and she sounded totally Ho-Hum about what I had written her with regard to the NAIS. I'm hoping this article will peak her interest a bit more. I hit the main points of how the NAIS will violate our rights, but this article hits the nail on the head in a way I couldn't do. Again, thanks and I'll be forwarding it around to more people. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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