Re: ameda vs medela - Hygeia

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My Lactinas are 2 pronged. Billowitz, IBCLCIsrael From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of scottandjune@...Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:38 PMTo: Cc: popikinsSubject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - Hygeia That's just one indicator. It's also multi-user and internal pump. Hygeia proclams that they have all of those features (except for the cord difference in HG) in the personal pumps as well as the hospital grade.June---- popikins wrote: > Are any of the 'hospital grade' pumps 3 pronged? That's such an odd way of identifying pump quality, according to its cord type?> > I know Lactina and Symphony are not.> > I don't 'think' the Ameda Platinum is, what about the Elite?> > And Hygeia EnDeare?> > > > > >> > Good question. According to my husband and several others who work in > > hospitals, yes. A requirement. Obviously in your hospitals, no, not a > > requirement. > > > > Odd that it wouldn't be universal....> > > > Jan > > _www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com_ (http://www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5 > > hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3 > > pronged, and we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just finished > > Joint Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask > > the same thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged pumps.> >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6377 (20110814) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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My perspective:

Just about the only equipment I use are feeding tubes which cost me just about $1.50 to $2.00 each and nipple shields. That's it. I might use a 30 ml syringe to attach the feeding tube to (without plunger). I stopped renting pumps and selling pump "stuff" in 2007 (see previous post). My moms can get pumps and equipment, including larger flanges, from our hospital nearby. Doesn't pay me to carry all sorts of "stuff" which then I dither about -- should I sell her this? Should I not? What if the nipple shield is a bust? Then what? Yada Yada....

So I found it easier, with the small amount of "stuff" I carry, to fold a nipple shield or a feeding tube into my consultation fee -- which is the same for everyone, regardless of "stuff."

FWIW: I used to rent pumps, sell slings, sell personal pumps, sell pillows and all the accoutrements that we associate with being an IBCLC. I quit that because it was (for me) more hassle than it was worth. YMMV. I live in an urban area where everything is available (and probably cheaper) than I can sell it for. I HATED that part of being an IBCLC.

So, I quit doing it.

And I'm very happy doing it this way -- but -- as I said -- YMMV.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Does it seem simpler to for the business and the mother?

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Sorry: FWIW: For what it's worth

YMMV: Your mileage may vary (i.e. -- what you are experiencing in your area, in your practice, (and boy, are we seeing that with this series of posts!!!), might be totally different from someone else.

Hence, don't base YOUR practice on MINE.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Ok Jan, it's probably not necessary to know this to understand your post, but please explain all the code?

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/

Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 5:11 PM

My perspective:

Just about the only equipment I use are feeding tubes which cost me just about $1.50 to $2.00 each and nipple shields. That's it. I might use a 30 ml syringe to attach the feeding tube to (without plunger). I stopped renting pumps and selling pump "stuff" in 2007 (see previous post). My moms can get pumps and equipment, including larger flanges, from our hospital nearby. Doesn't pay me to carry all sorts of "stuff" which then I dither about -- should I sell her this? Should I not? What if the nipple shield is a bust? Then what? Yada Yada....

So I found it easier, with the small amount of "stuff" I carry, to fold a nipple shield or a feeding tube into my consultation fee -- which is the same for everyone, regardless of "stuff."

FWIW: I used to rent pumps, sell slings, sell personal pumps, sell pillows and all the accoutrements that we associate with being an IBCLC. I quit that because it was (for me) more hassle than it was worth. YMMV. I live in an urban area where everything is available (and probably cheaper) than I can sell it for. I HATED that part of being an IBCLC.

So, I quit doing it.

And I'm very happy doing it this way -- but -- as I said -- YMMV.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Does it seem simpler to for the business and the mother?

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I was wondering the same thing... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela -

HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 2:36 PM

Sheesh! You must be able to charge a really large amount for your consultation fee! I can only charge $90. If I rolled all that into the fee, I'd have nothing left for my time and expertise.

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 1:54 PM

First time Pump Rental + processing fee of $45 and includes a personal accessory kit with flanges....

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At one time most of my business was just

renting pumps and selling kits. I had no consult to “roll the pump rental

“into.

I began collecting sales tax in 1997 for

the state of Florida

and have had the same account with the Florida Dept of Revenue and Medela all

this time even with changes of address in the same city.

Now must of my business is consults but

when I do rent a pump and sell parts and a kit also, I don’t know how I would

roll all those charges together into one cost.

There are so many variables and I want to

be sure I am paying myself for the consult and follow up and I making a bit of

money on the sales and rental.

And I don’t understand what is the

advantage. Does it seem simpler to for the business and the mother?

Ellen In Tampa, Florida

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Ok Jan, it's probably not necessary to know this to understand your post, but please explain all the code? Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- From: ibclc@...

Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 5:11 PM

My perspective:

Just about the only equipment I use are feeding tubes which cost me just about $1.50 to $2.00 each and nipple shields. That's it. I might use a 30 ml syringe to attach the feeding tube to (without plunger). I stopped renting pumps and selling pump "stuff" in 2007 (see previous post). My moms can get pumps and equipment, including larger flanges, from our hospital nearby. Doesn't pay me to carry all sorts of "stuff" which then I dither about -- should I sell her this? Should I not? What if the nipple shield is a bust? Then what? Yada Yada....

So I found it easier, with the small amount of "stuff" I carry, to fold a nipple shield or a feeding tube into my consultation fee -- which is the same for everyone, regardless of "stuff."

FWIW: I used to rent pumps, sell slings, sell personal pumps, sell pillows and all the accoutrements that we associate with being an IBCLC. I quit that because it was (for me) more hassle than it was worth. YMMV. I live in an urban area where everything is available (and probably cheaper) than I can sell it for. I HATED that part of being an IBCLC.

So, I quit doing it.

And I'm very happy doing it this way -- but -- as I said -- YMMV.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Does it seem simpler to for the business and the mother?

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LOL (that one I know) Thank you, Jan! Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo:

Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 5:16 PM

Sorry: FWIW: For what it's worth

YMMV: Your mileage may vary (i.e. -- what you are experiencing in your area, in your practice, (and boy, are we seeing that with this series of posts!!!), might be totally different from someone else.

Hence, don't base YOUR practice on MINE.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Ok Jan, it's probably not necessary to know this to understand your post, but please explain all the code?

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/

Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 5:11 PM

My perspective:

Just about the only equipment I use are feeding tubes which cost me just about $1.50 to $2.00 each and nipple shields. That's it. I might use a 30 ml syringe to attach the feeding tube to (without plunger). I stopped renting pumps and selling pump "stuff" in 2007 (see previous post). My moms can get pumps and equipment, including larger flanges, from our hospital nearby. Doesn't pay me to carry all sorts of "stuff" which then I dither about -- should I sell her this? Should I not? What if the nipple shield is a bust? Then what? Yada Yada....

So I found it easier, with the small amount of "stuff" I carry, to fold a nipple shield or a feeding tube into my consultation fee -- which is the same for everyone, regardless of "stuff."

FWIW: I used to rent pumps, sell slings, sell personal pumps, sell pillows and all the accoutrements that we associate with being an IBCLC. I quit that because it was (for me) more hassle than it was worth. YMMV. I live in an urban area where everything is available (and probably cheaper) than I can sell it for. I HATED that part of being an IBCLC.

So, I quit doing it.

And I'm very happy doing it this way -- but -- as I said -- YMMV.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Does it seem simpler to for the business and the mother?

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Yeah, I was rather taken aback by his phone call. I really felt the need to say something here, but it has taken me several days to figure out how to say it calmly and politely. I have absolutely no idea who did it, and seriously I don't want to know. But please, everyone, keep in mind when you are asking any company rep about any product that you have questions about, just ask the question without naming names of those of us here.

I have from the beginning stated repeatedly that I have serious concerns about Hygiea pumps but that I am willing to change my mind if I see those concerns addressed, not just in words by a company rep, but in actual "what happens in my neighborhood" stuff.

Dee

Subject: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 9:33 AM

Hygeia waives the initial $500 rule for independent IBCLCs. Call them and get in touch with your regional rep.>> I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?> I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.> June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL>

www.cherishthebaby.com>

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I think it is important to keep in mind that there may be reps from all companies on this (and every other list) that represent themselves as PP IBCLCs, or people interested in breastfeeding, or whatever. Dee, I'm totally taken aback that "one of us" would do that to you, which is why I'm wondering if there isn't someone on the list reporting back.

Same w/ Lactnet....though I keep WISHING someone from IBLCE were on that list...

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Yeah, I was rather taken aback by his phone call. I really felt the need to say something here, but it has taken me several days to figure out how to say it calmly and politely. I have absolutely no idea who did it, and seriously I don't want to know. But please, everyone, keep in mind when you are asking any company rep about any product that you have questions about, just ask the question without naming names of those of us here.

I have from the beginning stated repeatedly that I have serious concerns about Hygiea pumps but that I am willing to change my mind if I see those concerns addressed, not just in words by a company rep, but in actual "what happens in my neighborhood" stuff.

Dee

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Dee, what concerns do you have? feel free to email me off list if you wish... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- From: Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 10:16 PM

Yeah, I was rather taken aback by his phone call. I really felt the need to say something here, but it has taken me several days to figure out how to say it calmly and politely. I have absolutely no idea who did it, and seriously I don't want to know. But please, everyone, keep in mind when you are asking any company rep about any product that you have questions about, just ask the question without naming names of those of us here.

I have from the beginning stated repeatedly that I have serious concerns about Hygiea pumps but that I am willing to change my mind if I see those concerns addressed, not just in words by a company rep, but in actual "what happens in my neighborhood" stuff.

Dee

Subject: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 9:33 AM

Hygeia waives the initial $500 rule for independent IBCLCs. Call them and get in touch with your regional rep.>> I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?> I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.> June , RN, IBCLC,

LLLL>

www.cherishthebaby.com>

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I think I better clarify that I checked with my City who issued me my business

license and they were the ones who told me that I do not need to charge tax (and

thus do not need to get into sales tax) on breast pump Rentals. They said that

if I start selling things (which I DON'T), then I would need to get into sales

tax. Since I don't sell things, it's irrelevant.

Actually I am in a nice situation since there is another Lactation Consultant

with a complete breastfeeding boutique in the center of town. Anytime mom needs

or wants breastfeeding products, I send her there to buy them.

So yes, do check with your local laws and regs! : )

> >

> > At one time most of my business was just renting pumps and selling kits. I

> > had no consult to " roll the pump rental " into.

> >

> > I began collecting sales tax in 1997 for the state of Florida and have had

> > the same account with the Florida Dept of Revenue and Medela all this time

> > even with changes of address in the same city.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now must of my business is consults but when I do rent a pump and sell parts

> > and a kit also, I don't know how I would roll all those charges together

> > into one cost.

> >

> > There are so many variables and I want to be sure I am paying myself for the

> > consult and follow up and I making a bit of money on the sales and rental.

> >

> > And I don't understand what is the advantage. Does it seem simpler to for

> > the business and the mother?

> >

> >

> >

> > Ellen In Tampa, Florida

> >

>

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Want to also say thank you to everyone for all the feedback on this post. I still can't find any research that is not backed by a specific company. Yet another great idea for one of us to do with all our spare time! I have come to believe that like with many things some pumps are great for most people, then there are those that another would be great to have on hand for to. Thank again all, Nannette

I think it is important to keep in mind that there may be reps from all companies on this (and every other list) that represent themselves as PP IBCLCs, or people interested in breastfeeding, or whatever. Dee, I'm totally taken aback that "one of us" would do that to you, which is why I'm wondering if there isn't someone on the list reporting back.

Same w/ Lactnet....though I keep WISHING someone from IBLCE were on that list...

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

Yeah, I was rather taken aback by his phone call. I really felt the need to say something here, but it has taken me several days to figure out how to say it calmly and politely. I have absolutely no idea who did it, and seriously I don't want to know. But please, everyone, keep in mind when you are asking any company rep about any product that you have questions about, just ask the question without naming names of those of us here.

I have from the beginning stated repeatedly that I have serious concerns about Hygiea pumps but that I am willing to change my mind if I see those concerns addressed, not just in words by a company rep, but in actual "what happens in my neighborhood" stuff.

Dee