Re: ameda vs medela - Hygeia

[Guest guest]

You can still get a Tax ID number and never use it. Doesn't cost you anything, and if you change your mind and decide to charge, you'll have your tax ID number.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

Right. If you sell something, the person pays you tax, and you have to pay the state sales tax. However, since I don't sell anything, just give it as part of the consultation fee (and my consult fees are all the same regardless of what they get from me or not), then I don't collect sales tax and don't have to pay sales tax. Sounds as though that's what June wants to do too, though how you can fold rentals of an electric pump into consult fees is beyond me....

Some states don't charge tax on rentals, just on what the person keeps. Like no tax on the rental of the pump, but there is on the pump parts.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

I have to pay tax on the rentals and the kit purchases that goes with the rental Dana

Sent from my iPhone

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

Oh June, thanks so much! We had a great time there -- after we found where we were supposed to be!!! I love doing the "Bridges" program... I get to talk about a lot of the stuff that I think really impacts our breastfeeding duration rates.

Yes, you do need an additional number -- called the "ROT" or "Retailers Occupational Tax" which sort of establishes you as a business, but as I said, if you don't sell anything, you don't have to worry about it. Well, OK, I do file a tax return to the state of IL each year, but since about 2009, it has read $0, $0, $0.

So, in order to get what you need to get from Hygeia, I think just apply for it. I think you can do it online, but geeze, I got mine in -- um -- 1985, so probably did it the old fashioned way. By mail.

I used to sell "stuff" and rent pumps, but found it much easier to just give moms stuff that they needed and figure my consultation fee covered it. And I quit renting pumps in 2007, after I discovered I'd actually "made" a total of $9 for the entire year on my pump rentals.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

I include the kit and all supplies into my consultation fee and don't charge tax on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on equipment. I don't give a pump out to each person.I have an EIN number but read that an additional number is needed for retail. Is that what you mean?Hey Jan, I was at the "Building Bridges" in Cincinnati. I really enjoyed your talk. You are so funny! June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

[Guest guest]

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from

the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three

prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan

out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My

hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't

accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee.

Anyone else have that experience?

I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so

much better.

June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

www.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

I have to pay tax on the rentals and the kit purchases that goes with the rental DanaSent from my iPhone

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?

I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.

June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

www.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

Are you saying that everyone who has a

consult with you will be given a pump?

I have been renting Medela pumps and

products since 1997. I am required by the state to collect sales tax for all

rentals and retail.

Ellen in Tampa, Florida

I include everything into my consultation fee.

Anyone else have that experience?

June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

www.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

the IRS has ruled that pumps are medical equipment and aren't subject to sales tax.... my understanding.. makes things easier, for sure. Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: ameda vs medela - HygeiaTo: Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 3:25 PM

Right. If you sell something, the person pays you tax, and you have to pay the state sales tax. However, since I don't sell anything, just give it as part of the consultation fee (and my consult fees are all the same regardless of what they get from me or not), then I don't collect sales tax and don't have to pay sales tax. Sounds as though that's what June wants to do too, though how you can fold rentals of an electric pump into consult fees is beyond me....

Some states don't charge tax on rentals, just on what the person keeps. Like no tax on the rental of the pump, but there is on the pump parts.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

I have to pay tax on the rentals and the kit purchases that goes with the rental Dana

Sent from my iPhone

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

I include the kit and all supplies into my consultation fee and don't charge tax

on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on equipment. I don't

give a pump out to each person.

I have an EIN number but read that an additional number is needed for retail. Is

that what you mean?

Hey Jan, I was at the " Building Bridges " in Cincinnati. I really enjoyed your

talk. You are so funny!

June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

[Guest guest]

I understand that pumps are now “ tax

deductible”. But does that mean no one can collect state sales tax on rental or

sales of pumps?

Ellen in Florida

“I

don't charge tax on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on

equipment”

[Guest guest]

This is not the first post I've read that says that hospital-grade pumps have three-pronged plugs. Where did that Idea come from? Symphony does not have three-prong plugs.

Dee Kassing

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

Depends on the laws of your state. Illinois does not require sales tax on pump rentals or on consultation fees, but I must collect sales tax on all pump parts, including kits, and on all retail pump sales and other products such as nipple shields, feeding tubes, etc.

Also, in IL, your Tax ID number is NOT the number you need for collecting sales tax. Your tax ID (TIN or EIN) is a federal number. You must *also* have a state business authorization number which is basically the account number that you file your collected sales tax under. As the name implies, this account, at the state level, gives you permission to sell items and along with that goes the responsibility to collect and send in the sales tax.

Dee Kassing

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure that just because it's medical equipment, you don't have to pay sales tax. I just purchased a cane for my mother-in-law and had to pay a hefty sales tax. I will check into this in my state to see what they say. Right now, based on what I was told before the change in definition, pump rentals are not taxed in my state, but pump purchases are. But that had nothing to do with whether or not it was "medical" equipment. It was the difference between renting and purchasing.

Dee Kassing

the IRS has ruled that pumps are medical equipment and aren't subject to sales tax.... my understanding.. makes things easier, for sure.

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/

[Guest guest]

I intend to call my state sales tax office to get the official word for Illinois on this. Your best bet is to check with your own state office.

I could get a tax credit on my income taxes for energy-efficient windows that we installed, but we were still required to pay sales tax on them.

Dee Kassing

I understand that pumps are now “ tax deductibleâ€. But does that mean no one can collect state sales tax on rental or sales of pumps?

Ellen in Florida

“I don't charge tax on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on equipmentâ€

[Guest guest]

In Illinois, I can include "insignificant" items, such as a $3 french feeding tube, in my consultation fee. But anything that costs over a few dollars must be charged sales tax. (I forget what the limit is because I don't include anything but my time in the cost of the consult--I charge for all extras.) I could not include something as pricey as a kit in the consultation fee and get away with not charging sales tax on it.

Dee KassingI include the kit and all supplies into my consultation fee and don't charge tax on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on equipment. I don't give a pump out to each person.I have an EIN number but read that an additional number is needed for retail. Is that what you mean?Hey Jan, I was at the "Building Bridges" in Cincinnati. I really enjoyed your talk. You are so funny! June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

[Guest guest]

No, it means that the purchaser can add it to the medical deductions for their taxes.

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

I understand that pumps are now “ tax deductibleâ€. But does that mean no one can collect state sales tax on rental or sales of pumps?

Ellen in Florida

“I don't charge tax on a rental and also heard that taxes were not charged on equipmentâ€

[Guest guest]

To be compliant with hospital rules & regs, all medical equipment is supposed to have three pronged plugs...(just verified by my dh who "suffered" through his last (hopefully) Joint Commission inspection at the hospital where he is Director of Pharmacy).

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

This is not the first post I've read that says that hospital-grade pumps have three-pronged plugs. Where did that Idea come from? Symphony does not have three-prong plugs.

Dee Kassing

I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500 order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation fee. Anyone else have that experience?I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so much better.June , RN, IBCLC, LLLLwww.cherishthebaby.com

[Guest guest]

Good question. According to my husband and several others who work in hospitals, yes. A requirement. Obviously in your hospitals, no, not a requirement.

Odd that it wouldn't be universal....

Jan www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com

It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5 hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3 pronged, and we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just finished Joint Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask the same thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged pumps.

[Guest guest]

Hygeia waives the initial $500 rule for independent IBCLCs. Call them and get

in touch with your regional rep.

>

> I'm looking into being a dealer and read that the internal pump is the same

from the hospital grade to the personal pump, the difference is the battery and

three prong electic cord. Some of the WIC clinics purchased the personal pumps

to loan out since it's hospital grade quality. The buy in is an initial $500

order. My hold up is the retail tax number. I don't want to do retail and they

won't accept me without that number. I include everything into my consultation

fee. Anyone else have that experience?

> I really like this company and the prices/services compared to Medela are so

much better.

> June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

> www.cherishthebaby.com

>

[Guest guest]

I did talk to him, but he didn’t mention waiving the start up cost.June Hygeia waives the initial $500 rule for independent IBCLCs. Call them and get in touch with your regional rep.

[Guest guest]

I read it in Hygeia’s info. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dee KassingSent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:07 AMTo: Subject: Re: ameda vs medela - Hygeia This is not the first post I've read that says that hospital-grade pumps have three-pronged plugs. Where did that Idea come from? Symphony does not have three-prong plugs. Dee Kassing

[Guest guest]

It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5

hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3 pronged, and

we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just finished Joint

Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask the same

thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged pumps.

From Medela's website:

<The Symphony breastpump is " double insulated " * and therefore it does not

require a 3 prong grounded plug. Double insulated means there are two layers of

insulation, or one especially thick layer, separating all exposed metal from the

conductors, so that any metal cannot become live. The entire housing of the

Symphony is made entirely of plastic and there are no metal parts that can come

into contact with high-voltage, so there is no danger for the user even if the

inside of the pump breaks down.>

>

> To be compliant with hospital rules & regs, all medical equipment is

> supposed to have three pronged plugs...(just verified by my dh who " suffered "

> through his last (hopefully) Joint Commission inspection at the hospital where

> he is Director of Pharmacy).

>

> Jan

> _www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com_ (http://www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com/)

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/13/2011 11:07:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> deekassing@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> This is not the first post I've read that says that hospital-grade pumps

> have three-pronged plugs. Where did that Idea come from? Symphony does not

> have three-prong plugs.

> Dee Kassing

>

[Guest guest]

Are any of the 'hospital grade' pumps 3 pronged? That's such an odd way of

identifying pump quality, according to its cord type?

I know Lactina and Symphony are not.

I don't 'think' the Ameda Platinum is, what about the Elite?

And Hygeia EnDeare?

>

> Good question. According to my husband and several others who work in

> hospitals, yes. A requirement. Obviously in your hospitals, no, not a

> requirement.

>

> Odd that it wouldn't be universal....

>

> Jan

> _www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com_ (http://www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com/)

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/14/2011 10:47:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> YabbaDabbaDoula1@... writes:

>

> It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5

> hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3

> pronged, and we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just

finished

> Joint Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask

> the same thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged pumps.

>

[Guest guest]

EnDeare is three pronged.

I don't think that is the only difference between it and the EnJoye though.  I wish I could say I thought the EnJoye works as well as the EnDeare, but I don't.

Healy

Seattle, WA

> Are any of the 'hospital grade' pumps 3 pronged? That's such an odd way of identifying pump quality, according to its cord type?

> > I know Lactina and Symphony are not.> > I don't 'think' the Ameda Platinum is, what about the Elite?> > And Hygeia EnDeare?> > > >

>>>> Good question. According to my husband and several others who work in >> hospitals, yes. A requirement. Obviously in your hospitals, no, not a >> requirement. >>

>> Odd that it wouldn't be universal....>> >> Jan >> _www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com_ (http://www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com/)

>> >> >> >> >> >> It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5

>> hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3 >> pronged, and we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just finished >> Joint Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask

>> the same thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged pumps.>>> >

[Guest guest]

We have one in our clinic but dare I say I don't recall the plug style....but

the photos of the EnDeare show a 2 prong plug????

>

> EnDeare is three pronged.

>

> I don't think that is the only difference between it and the EnJoye though.

> I wish I could say I thought the EnJoye works as well as the EnDeare, but I

> don't.

>

> Healy

> Seattle, WA

[Guest guest]

That's just one indicator. It's also multi-user and internal pump. Hygeia

proclams that they have all of those features (except for the cord difference in

HG) in the personal pumps as well as the hospital grade.

June

---- popikins wrote:

> Are any of the 'hospital grade' pumps 3 pronged? That's such an odd way of

identifying pump quality, according to its cord type?

>

> I know Lactina and Symphony are not.

>

> I don't 'think' the Ameda Platinum is, what about the Elite?

>

> And Hygeia EnDeare?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Good question. According to my husband and several others who work in

> > hospitals, yes. A requirement. Obviously in your hospitals, no, not a

> > requirement.

> >

> > Odd that it wouldn't be universal....

> >

> > Jan

> > _www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com_ (http://www.grammiesawards.blogspot.com/)

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 8/14/2011 10:47:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > YabbaDabbaDoula1@... writes:

> >

> > It may be a recommendation but do you think it is required? I work for a 5

> > hospital system, neither our Lactinas nor our Symphony pumps are 3

> > pronged, and we have had.....too many Joint Commission inspections (just

finished

> > Joint Commission review on our unit this Wed-Th). I've been meaning to ask

> > the same thing all this time hearing people refer to these 3 pronged

pumps.

> >

>

>