Re: The new face of MGIMS ??

[Guest guest]

Dear Murtaza,

Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after getting

hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

PG, just for haath ki safai.

And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

its students, without donation?

Kishore Shah 1974

[Guest guest]

Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

I agree..

To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

Residency) is a tough job.

But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

such the learing curve is too long)

Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

learn.

LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

Bhushan (1993)

>

> Dear Murtaza,

>

> Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

>

> better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

>

> There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> getting

> hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> PG, just for haath ki safai.

>

> And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> its students, without donation?

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear dr. shah,

i agree with u in toto.......

i still see my contemporaries struggling to get a pg degree . with so much

reservation things have almost gone out of reach...... common man can by no

means think of getting his children in to medicine. its killing!!!

i have a lifetime to learn surgical skill, but the values that my teachers

have instilled in last 3 years are enough for a lifetime. i feel that if i have

the capability to think rationally and if i am willing to work hard......i

shouldnt have a problem. and both of these qualities are common in almost all

the students who have passed out from sewagram.

i still say that i am really grateful to our institute for giving me a seat

that i wanted and that too without any kind of donation.

aparna

Shah wrote:

Dear Murtaza,

Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after getting

hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

PG, just for haath ki safai.

And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

its students, without donation?

Kishore Shah 1974

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[Guest guest]

yes it is right to say we learnt a lot of theory and the right way to do

things, which gave us a good base even internationally. BUT I do think the

cutting work should also be focussed upon. all of us surgeons know how easy

it is to lose confidence/get deskilled. I got more experience with cutting

at safdarjung where I worked as a SR after my MD. Honestly speaking I would

not have been able to practice independently straight after my MD. might

have bumbled along but not with confidence. This is something we should be

addressing as this not for lack of cases but more to do with senior

attitude. do not know if things have changed now...

Malini

With regards

L/M Prasad

(lp1960@...)

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Wish a very happy and cheerful day keep smiling

Re: The new face of MGIMS ??

Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

I agree..

To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

Residency) is a tough job.

But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

such the learing curve is too long)

Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

learn.

LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

Bhushan (1993)

On 28/08/06, Shah <kshahskygmail (DOT) <mailto:kshahsky%40gmail.com> com> wrote:

>

> Dear Murtaza,

>

> Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

>

> better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

>

> There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> getting

> hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> PG, just for haath ki safai.

>

> And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> its students, without donation?

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anchita

It was interesting to note ur observations about your comparisons between

MGIMS & St s......but, that is natural......

What Sevagram offered was a good Quality work(even though Quantity

sufferred).......I did my PG from GMC Nagpur and suffice it to say that even

though the Quantity factor was more, the per capita distribution was almost the

same......there being more PG students......

My initial phase of post--PG life was spaent at MoolChand hosp, Delhi.....

which--akin to St s,is a Pvt setup..... & , in any such setup, the load is

commensurate with the name of the BOSS...... & , plz tell me......which boss would

like 2 share one's name or practice with any-body else...?????

This is the way of life......I left that brohua..and there I am...working in

army and being my own BOSS.......

So....everything has its own goodies & its own pitfalls.....I learnt of lot of

" NOT TO BE DONE THINGS " during my stint at Moolchand......We all do.

So,don't worry & be happy.......There is a silver lining to everything

Sunil Takiar(76)

Anchita Patil wrote:

Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

I agree..

To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

Residency) is a tough job.

But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

such the learing curve is too long)

Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

learn.

LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

Bhushan (1993)

>

> Dear Murtaza,

>

> Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

>

> better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

>

> There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> getting

> hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> PG, just for haath ki safai.

>

> And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> its students, without donation?

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil, Bhushan , Kishoreda et all,

I agree to your points, but this is the same review from most of my friends

around India except Mumbai. I think the breed of BOSSES in Mumbai are a

different then the rest or its the work load that people in Mumbai cannot

handle, so the young fellows get a good hand to work. My Boss ( when I joined as

a lecturer ) was himself a passout from Mumbai and probably that was the reason

he gave me full liberty to work. My other friends from Mumbai are also of the

same opinion. What do ya say ?

Murtaza

sunil takiar wrote:

Dear Anchita

It was interesting to note ur observations about your comparisons between MGIMS

& St s......but, that is natural......

What Sevagram offered was a good Quality work(even though Quantity

sufferred).......I did my PG from GMC Nagpur and suffice it to say that even

though the Quantity factor was more, the per capita distribution was almost the

same......there being more PG students......

My initial phase of post--PG life was spaent at MoolChand hosp, Delhi.....

which--akin to St s,is a Pvt setup..... & , in any such setup, the load is

commensurate with the name of the BOSS...... & , plz tell me......which boss would

like 2 share one's name or practice with any-body else...?????

This is the way of life......I left that brohua..and there I am...working in

army and being my own BOSS.......

So....everything has its own goodies & its own pitfalls.....I learnt of lot of

" NOT TO BE DONE THINGS " during my stint at Moolchand......We all do.

So,don't worry & be happy.......There is a silver lining to everything

Sunil Takiar(76)

Anchita Patil wrote:

Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

I agree..

To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

Residency) is a tough job.

But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

such the learing curve is too long)

Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

learn.

LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

Bhushan (1993)

>

> Dear Murtaza,

>

> Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

>

> better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

>

> There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> getting

> hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> PG, just for haath ki safai.

>

> And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> its students, without donation?

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All

I fully agree with the fact that MGIMS was a good place to learn the real art

of surgery but on the other hand i also feel they have not been able to keep

pace with the changing times in surgery speciality. The 2nd generation of

surgeons after DR narang and dr Mehta et al is missing or are just passers by.So

the new developments are not taking place. I worked at JJ hospital in Bombay too

.. The surgical exposure is good there but again the Bosses there are mising(busy

in practise).

In short all places have their pros and cons!

Rakesh Khera " 86

Dr MURTAZA AMRELIWALA wrote:

Dear Sunil, Bhushan , Kishoreda et all,

I agree to your points, but this is the same review from most of my friends

around India except Mumbai. I think the breed of BOSSES in Mumbai are a

different then the rest or its the work load that people in Mumbai cannot

handle, so the young fellows get a good hand to work. My Boss ( when I joined as

a lecturer ) was himself a passout from Mumbai and probably that was the reason

he gave me full liberty to work. My other friends from Mumbai are also of the

same opinion. What do ya say ?

Murtaza

sunil takiar wrote:

Dear Anchita

It was interesting to note ur observations about your comparisons between MGIMS

& St s......but, that is natural......

What Sevagram offered was a good Quality work(even though Quantity

sufferred).......I did my PG from GMC Nagpur and suffice it to say that even

though the Quantity factor was more, the per capita distribution was almost the

same......there being more PG students......

My initial phase of post--PG life was spaent at MoolChand hosp, Delhi.....

which--akin to St s,is a Pvt setup..... & , in any such setup, the load is

commensurate with the name of the BOSS...... & , plz tell me......which boss would

like 2 share one's name or practice with any-body else...?????

This is the way of life......I left that brohua..and there I am...working in

army and being my own BOSS.......

So....everything has its own goodies & its own pitfalls.....I learnt of lot of

" NOT TO BE DONE THINGS " during my stint at Moolchand......We all do.

So,don't worry & be happy.......There is a silver lining to everything

Sunil Takiar(76)

Anchita Patil wrote:

Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

I agree..

To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

Residency) is a tough job.

But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

such the learing curve is too long)

Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

learn.

LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

Bhushan (1993)

>

> Dear Murtaza,

>

> Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

>

> better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

>

> There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> getting

> hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> PG, just for haath ki safai.

>

> And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> its students, without donation?

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stop reminding me of the old days Irfan,i really don't know why bosses

used to do that bossism. We are equally responsible, we never raised

our voice and i agree with you if at the end of your MS you are not

confident doing tympanoplaties, it's a shame both for the candidate

and for the institution as well. No one can stop a rising sun ,bravo,

you are not at par you are much above everyone else and here is this

great guy organizing this big conference. ALL THE BEST AND KEEP IT UP

Nishi 84

> Great going Aparna, I think/ believe that MGIMS has changed. You were lucky

> to have learned surgery there. This is not to offend any of my teachers ( I

> respect all of them very much), but........ when I left Sevagram, I didn't

> know how to harvest a Temporalis fascia graft for tympanoplasties ( They

> were then called, Myringoplasties).

> We were not supposed to use scalpels for surgeries, we were

> supposed to use only our eyes and ears (Eyes less though, since we could not

> see what our bosses did through the microscope). I should say that what

> MGIMS does the best is to make thoughtful doctors, hard working doctors

> (Shramdan- taught me a lot) and competitive ones. This is very

> important,which helped me to strive and strive with whatever resources I

> could find, to learn surgery.

> At MGIMS, I learned everything else then surgery, I had a tough time

> when I landed up in the real world, I didn't know how to hold a micro drill,

> which was offered by my new boss at a medical college,on the very first day,

> where i joined as a lecturer. That was a scary day when I thought I would do

> harm to my patient then doing good to him. But then I learned again through

> my eyes and ears- attended all possible workshop, hands on dissection

> courses, conferences, and every possible opportunity to operate.

> I am happy today that I am at par if not better than any ENT

> surgeon, who has passed out from Mumbai, Nagpur, or Pune.

> BEST OF LUCK TO ALL

> Murtaza '84

>

>

> aparna govil wrote:

> hi.......

>

> i have just left sewagram after completing my MS in gen surgery.... after

> all these year its a home next to home.... i had a great time there.... made

> friends which i am sure are going to last a lifetime ........ and had an

> amazing teacher .... Prof . Narang!!!! he will continue to have a lasting

> impression on my surgical career. would just like to say something which i

> didnt say to anyone before leaving..... " When i joined the department of

> surgery in aug 2003 , i was the only girl there. 99% of the people

> discouraged me from taking it up saying that its not a very great branch for

> women... but after these 3 years when i reflect over the time that i have

> spent in sewagram,,, last 3 years were the best of all. surgery was my first

> love and thanks to sewagram i could fulfill my dream..... as of today i am

> very happy with what i am and the message that i want to pass on is that

> believe in your dreams and do not let life become a bundle of

> practicalities!!!!!!!!

>

> hope to remain an active member of the mgims e group.

> best wishes,

> aparna govil

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bhushan,

Are you regretting leaving Shroff. You will be surprised that after

one year we give a seperate OT to our registrar to finish with atleast

3-4 tympanos in a day. We don't do RND'' to satisfy a great surgeon

like you but my each registrar after 6 months can reach spenoid in

FESS and can manage difficult DCRs

Nishi 84

> Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

>

> I agree..

>

> To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during Senior

> Residency) is a tough job.

>

> But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

> situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty healthy.

> I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start working

> independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance to

> learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

>

> But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's hospital,

> Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

> hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of bosses is

> difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days they

> were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir said

> they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to do

> these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the surgery

> as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery ones, as

> such the learing curve is too long)

>

> Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best places to

> learn.

>

> LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

>

> Bhushan (1993)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear Murtaza,

> >

> > Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges are no

> >

> > better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top 10

> > medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell about

> > the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I think

> > that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

> >

> > There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list gets

> > done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> > getting

> > hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year after

> > PG, just for haath ki safai.

> >

> > And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for all

> > its students, without donation?

> >

> > Kishore Shah 1974

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nishi mam,

Your query is difficult to answer.

Initially I truely regretted leaving Shroff. Actually I spent only 2months

with you

& frankly speaking wanted to spend more time & learn FESS & DCR apart from

the routine ENT surgeries. When I was there, I was a fresh pass-out & highly

ambitious to achieve everything in life ( I still have high spirits

going...... k, k,k, jokes apart)

plus had financial problems to survive in Delhi. Why would anybody leave a

9-5pm job

(unlikely for senior residency) and prefer alternate days emergency duty?

Don't mind, but I personally feel that during residency days, one should be

exposed to

as much variety of patients as possible. I mean, other than routine ENT

patients, managing ENT emergencies, ICU & Casualty emergencies, gives

confidence. Plus as you always knew, I was more inclined for head & neck

surgeries. Being a different set-up at Shroff, I was missing all this.

At Shroff, the work no doubt is very good, but at the consultant level when

you have worked enough to do

the work of your choice. Plus, unneccesary interference of lower managerial

staff into Doctor's(both junior & senior) work is very irritating( I am

still in contact with EYE residents & they have the same opinion).

Hats off to you for reaching to the present position & achieving laurels. I

think the DCR surgeries you perform

are the best I have seen till date and would still like to learn them from

you. Writing a book is no child's play.

After joining St. 's hospital, I regretted leaving Shroff when I was

doing alternate duties & was unable to

to pay proper attention towards my family. But I was prepared for it.

Here, apart from the subject, I am also

trying to learn the art of Pvt practice & surviving in a city like Delhi.

Its true, zindagi main kuch paane ke liye kuch khona padta hai.

I still miss you all.

I went for the monthly AOI meeting at MAMC, thought you would come but

..........

Anyway, how is Sir & kids doing ?

Are you coming for the SAARC Conference? Take care.

Bhushan (93)

>

> Bhushan,

> Are you regretting leaving Shroff. You will be surprised that after

> one year we give a seperate OT to our registrar to finish with atleast

> 3-4 tympanos in a day. We don't do RND'' to satisfy a great surgeon

> like you but my each registrar after 6 months can reach spenoid in

> FESS and can manage difficult DCRs

> Nishi 84

>

>

> On 8/28/06, Anchita Patil <bhushanchita@...<bhushanchita%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > Dear Murtaza Sir & Kishoreda,

> >

> > I agree..

> >

> > To get cutting work during ur PG or even after PG (especially during

> Senior

> > Residency) is a tough job.

> >

> > But still better at Sevagram. I completed MS( ENT) in April 2004. The

> > situation in the department by the time I left Sevagram was pretty

> healthy.

> > I had already done enough surgeries to be confident enough to start

> working

> > independently. Thanks to Dr. Raizada & Dr. Puttewar who gave me a chance

> to

> > learn the procedures. So what Aparna is saying is very true.

> >

> > But, presently I am working as a senior resident at St. 's

> hospital,

> > Delhi and miss my PG days. Here I work like donkey throughout the week &

> > hardly get to do one or two independent surgeries. The attitude of

> bosses is

> > difficult to understand as they say that during their residency days

> they

> > were not allowed to do even simple OPD procedures & like Murtaza Sir

> said

> > they learnt surgeries in workshops, etc. So why should they allow us to

> do

> > these surgeries ......Few bosses literally hide the steps during the

> surgery

> > as if we r a big threat to them ( ENT procedures being microsurgery

> ones, as

> > such the learing curve is too long)

> >

> > Anyway, what I mean to say is no doubt Sevagram is one of the best

> places to

> > learn.

> >

> > LONG LIVE SEVAGRAM

> >

> > Bhushan (1993)

> >

> >

> >

> > On 28/08/06, Shah <kshahsky@... <kshahsky%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Murtaza,

> > >

> > > Yes! MGIMS does have its drawbacks. However, other medical colleges

> are no

> > >

> > > better. My son studies in BJ Medical College Pune, rated among the top

> 10

> > > medical colleges of India. Yet, going by the stories he has to tell

> about

> > > the level of interest the staff has in teaching (or lack thereof) I

> think

> > > that we were much better off with the individual attention we got.

> > >

> > > There is definitely more cutting work in BJ. A week's MGIMS OT list

> gets

> > > done in one morning. However, clinical Surgery is best learned after

> > > getting

> > > hold of your PG degree. Its easy to do a job for 6 months or a year

> after

> > > PG, just for haath ki safai.

> > >

> > > And tell me which other medical college offers an assured PG seat for

> all

> > > its students, without donation?

> > >

> > > Kishore Shah 1974

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