Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hello, I'm not a regular poster here, but I can hear your frustration and couldn't pass up responding. I want to offer you support, some kind of reminder that you are a good parent, that your hair will re-grow. (sorry, sick attempt at humor) I don't know much about autism yet. My daughter's not yet 5, and her issues are mostly centered around communication. I have never (yet) had to deal with behavior issues. What I have read is that a lot of behaviors are sensory related. Can you look into more of a sensory diet at school? Bear hug vest? Therapeutic listening? More vestibular movement? An old wading pool filled with beans or corn to submerge her skin in? Swimming? (heavy work, physical work to wear her out?) Any clue what is sparking the outbursts? A child, a color, a new teacher? Could the writing on the walls be a sign of frustration at her communication level? Could a dry-erase board help? Or line a wall of her room with a used school-style chalkboard? Does she need more artistic outlets? How is she sleeping? I know others here have a lot more experience and great ideas. I just read the pain in your words and wanted to let you know I was thinking of you. Doreen puberty and behavioral problems Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? Anything at all....thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 this to sounds much like of me as a y ounger girl and yes because lacked how to play or what things to do to entertain of self that was of typical i tooften found my own sort of play and things I to loved. it often led of me to troubles and yet had no cognitions to understand why my play kept upsetting those around me. it sounds like she may have interest to art, drawing, cloloring and or marking to have a cause and effect real of actions. it also sounds like this with the toothpaste too (cause and effect) I to do this and this consistenly happens such if i to squeeze the toothpaste out comes this paste of fun and it can be to make art and it is of ever so fun and I to might like the smell and taste and such. it is of consistent because verytime I to do it is of the same results. same way with coloring and markers etc.... I to do this with the tool and out comes this mark which I to created and it is of so interesting how this tool works and so now I to want to experiement each time I to see of this tool to see what color or texture will come out because part of it is consistent but part is not and so stuck there trying to find out the causes and effect in wonder what color or texture will come out of this pen, marker crayon ect... It might be of good to give her things of cause in effect in a structured setting as her down time play. set rules coloring is only on paper, or dry erase or whatever you chose...... give her finger pints in tubes and such so she can squeeze to get of the same feel of toothpaste( which is toxic and can cause mental retardations of consumed) which makes no sense why it is to go into the mouth if it is not a good choice to swollow it as how many children understand of that..... but anyways the other things is to be to have of the exposure to her seeking things into a structured set time each day for her to safely explore. but place all the explored things into a out of sight place and or locked up to prevent chaos. If she is not one to climb over baby gates.. then make os sure her room is of baby proofed and when you need to clean of the house or go to a place where she will be unsupervised then place her to her room for safety not punishment for a short brief time to assure her safety. place new alteranting toys of interest in there so it can be a fun break away such as wooden inset puzzels and then next time maybe a sound effect book or somethings of interest to her that is of a safe outlet for her to do. When taking her to her room tell her it is her down time to play and you break time. set of the timer and when it goes off make sure to go and get of her and praise of her for her having a good down time to her self. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , " scaboobady " wrote: > > Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this > as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a > beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, > very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some > very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, > teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit > her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with > chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, > making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be > doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do > that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my > wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away > because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but > the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry > gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her > but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? > Anything at all....thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hi There, My daughter is going to be 11 next month and perhaps we can put the two in a group home together. (also just kidding). Last night she had an hour long tantrum for just about nothing. She said reading is stupid and of course I am evil and was making her read. What the heck was I thinking. Do you think that the raging hormones are doing her in? I think that is what is happening to my daughter. She is fine one minute and a lunatic the next. She too is sweet. She too writes on everything. She shares a room with her older sister and she is always writing on everything of hers. She will write messages to her sister in sharpie on her posters. I thought they were going to kill eachother last week when the older sister decided to retaliate and write " Giana is a loser " on her Hannah Montana poster. Seriously I thought I was going to have to put my older one in a witness protection program for her own safety. Luckily I was able to find a replacement poster before there was any blood shed. I did however have to sleep in their room that night because I was afraid to leave them alone. They both had evil in their eyes. I have also been thinking of medication (for myself) nah just kidding. I just think their bodies and minds are changing so much right now that medication for my daughter anyway is not a good choice for now. You should talk to the doctor some more and see if it will help Lily. My daughter hit a lot, but she just hits me no one else. Isn't that interesting? She never hits at school or any other times...just me. Music is very calming for my daughter. Does your daughter listen to anything in particular that you can use as a reward. For instance you can listen to this CD while I take a shower and if you behave you can listen to it again tomorrow while I do laundry. I guess I don't have any real advice, just wanted you to know that I feel your pain. Terri puberty and behavioral problems Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? Anything at all....thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hi All... This conversation is interesting...but I want a solution SOON!! My daughter is 16 1/2 low functioning...is in public high school...She has been hitting...which includes teachers, aides, students, sister, and parents since she was about 8 years old... The elementary school wasn't much help...she was more and more isolated because of the hitting..understandable of course...but it didn't help either... Middle school had a behavioral therapist come in...he helped some there...but he was a temporary solution..... Drugs of course were suggested..but the side effects of drugs, particularly on my husbands side of the family....my sister in law nearly died of Wellbutrin reaction...and my mother in law over blood pressure meds...and that's just the tip of the iceburg... She is in high school..second year...and having trouble with school...freshman...which were some of her previous classmates.....and some of them hit..which she copies...but they can control them....(meaning other students) while my daughter will go on and on with it.... She interrupts our conversations at home... (with vocal noises) especially her sister... sister gets angry and they fight.....and sister hits BACK......she is 13..normal/typical.... I'm going out of my mind...with the two of them.... puberty and behavioral problems Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? Anything at all....thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Evening primrose oil can help (did wonders for me) with PMS. However, make sure you don't over do it, it can lower seizure thresholds if too much is taken. I would think 1-2 caps a day would be sufficient. Has she been able to express why she's hitting? Do you think there's any teasing or talking about her that she's hearing? That might make her mad and want to hurt them back. I'm also reading significant sensory in your daughter's issues. I remember Temple Grandin talking about a couple of 45 minute hard workouts a day can significantly reduce outbursts and sensory problems. Is it possible to try a winter swim team? That would give her exercise (that also keeps hormones in check) and sensory input with the water. How does she do with helping you do housework? I know with Allie it's like pulling teeth, but I have to get better at getting her involved. If she's folding towels and mopping floors she's getting exercise, sensory input, and she's near supervision. You all could try cooking together, nothing like rolling biscuit or cookie dough to get that toothpasty feel. My oldest NT LOVES squishing meatloaf between her fingers -- GROSS!! Since I hate it, it works out well. Doing household tasks together not only gets the sensory thing, it teaches her self-help skills. My girls fight over who gets to squirt the cleaner on the coffee table for a wipedown. <sigh> I sound like my house should be clean! HTH, Debi --- In Autism_in_Girls , " scaboobady " w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I to remember when of being age of 13 or so was when I to go to crisis states of being too it lasted for many years before finally began to find an inner calm in me too. So I to understand the fear, frustrations and overwhelms as parents to teen or pre teen girls on the spectrum. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 My daughter is 10 1/2 and she's definitely in the middle of puberty. Her behaviour has changed completely. She also used to be so sweet and even tempered. Now however, if I even look at her, she gets on the defensive with " what are you looking at me for???!!! " She cries at the drop of a hat, rages at me and our dog (she's careful not to do this to her father), tries to nudge me out of her way with her body (she's also careful not to actually hit me, she knows this won't be tolerated). She is already on medication and it does help some, believe me. However, I believe it's time to adjust her dosages. IMHO I think your daughter should be on medication. You are already doing all you can and it might save everyone's sanity. Believe me, I don't suggest this casually, I waited years before putting my daughter on meds. However, I just had to face facts that unless I tried medication for my daughter, she was reaching the point that everyone who had to work with her on her various therapies as well as at school, were fast becoming fed up with dealing with her. Her behaviour was also making her own life unhappy. In our case, meds did help. Diane ('s Mom) puberty and behavioral problems Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? Anything at all....thanks. Autism_in_Girls-subscribe ------------------------ Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hi Diane, I am glad to hear medication is working for your daughter. Our behavioral pediatrician said that my daughter's symptoms were to scattered and that medication would be very difficult for her. I am doing homework with her now and she just got mad and broke a pencil and then threw it at me. Some times the whole situation is so discouraging. Terri puberty and behavioral problems Hi...I'm new here...this is my first post...I felt driven to write this as I sit here tearing my hair out for the upmteenth time...I have a beautiful 11-1/2 year old daughter, Lily, who is, for the most part, very sweet, very verbal and very autistic. She is going through some very difficult times...she has been hitting at school, other kids, teachers, aides...she doesn't hit me or my husband and we don't hit her....at home her behavior is horrible...writing on the walls with chalk, pencils, non-removable marker, smearing toothpaste everywhere, making the most noise possible...our ABA therapy doesn't seem to be doing the trick...I'm thinking about medication but I hesitate to do that...I would prefer not to use medication....but I am at my wit's...all we do is fight lately, I find myself pushing her away because she is stressing me beyond belief...I try to supervise her but the 2 minutes I take to use the bathroom or change a load of laundry gives her ample opportunity to turn the house upside down...I love her but right now I'd thinking foster home (just kidding)...any ideas? Anything at all....thanks. Autism_in_Girls-subscribe ------------------------ Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Let me preface this by saying I don't believe drugs are generally ever a good idea. I believe a person should try everything they can to avoid it. That said, I believe there also comes a time that the drug option can be a real option. Temple Grandin's book Thinking In Pictures talks about her taking drugs to deal with increasing anxiety. She credits medication as allowing her to survive. While there are some great alternative solutions, such as diets, supplements, meditation, OT, exercise, etc, sometimes medication is all that is left. The question to me then becomes which is worse? I know we looked at this issue with Allie and decided if all she could do was lay on her back and scream all day long, there was no way for her to ever learn social skills, participate in education, etc. After much research and talking with lots of families, we decided to give SSRIs a try, and it has made all the difference in her. She went from 20-30+ tantrums over EVERYTHING to a slight whimper. I didn't do it because I couldn't take her screaming, I did it to allow her to be able to live. What sort of life is being so freaked out all you are able to do is scream? It must be scary, hurtful, and exhausting. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say you *should* consider it. For your situation, it could be perfectly wrong. I just know I was one who was 100% anti-medicating kids, I'm still not real fond of it. But, looking back, I'm so glad we decided to try it. What if a quarter-dose of a mild sedative could calm her enough to stop hitting and start participating? Or 1/2 of a 25 mg zoloft might help her be able to verbalize her feelings. Allie became much more verbal within 2 days of paxil, she only took 2.5 mg. A lot of people on this board give clonidine to help their kids sleep. I know one woman who tried dan! and other treatments and her daughter by age 5 was so violent they didn't know what they were gonna do. They began giving her some respiradol, which can have horrific side-effects, but their child was able to sleep a regular night (instead of 1 hr every 24) and stopped abusing her sisters. It saved this child and the family. It's hard to make a choice between the side effects of the drug and watching your child beat up your two other children. Again, I'm not saying you should do it, just suggesting that as horrible as it sounds, it can also be bad not to give a person the option of something that could really help. Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hey Debi, I was wondering if you had any feed back on melatonin for me. I just started giving ella .25 mg 2 nights ago...shes been sleeping like never before, but tonight its only 6pm and shes out...OUT! I am worried she might get off schedule, but she also is sleeping so soundly I feel bad to wake her... Ive never seen her so still and peaceful in her sleep, is she catching up maybe? Just though id ask for a little support, as this is the first of anything, Ive ever really given her, and I feel a bit worried already. Thank in advance, Aimee Debi wrote: Evening primrose oil can help (did wonders for me) with PMS. However, make sure you don't over do it, it can lower seizure thresholds if too much is taken. I would think 1-2 caps a day would be sufficient. Has she been able to express why she's hitting? Do you think there's any teasing or talking about her that she's hearing? That might make her mad and want to hurt them back. I'm also reading significant sensory in your daughter's issues. I remember Temple Grandin talking about a couple of 45 minute hard workouts a day can significantly reduce outbursts and sensory problems. Is it possible to try a winter swim team? That would give her exercise (that also keeps hormones in check) and sensory input with the water. How does she do with helping you do housework? I know with Allie it's like pulling teeth, but I have to get better at getting her involved. If she's folding towels and mopping floors she's getting exercise, sensory input, and she's near supervision. You all could try cooking together, nothing like rolling biscuit or cookie dough to get that toothpasty feel. My oldest NT LOVES squishing meatloaf between her fingers -- GROSS!! Since I hate it, it works out well. Doing household tasks together not only gets the sensory thing, it teaches her self-help skills. My girls fight over who gets to squirt the cleaner on the coffee table for a wipedown. <sigh> I sound like my house should be clean! HTH, Debi --- In Autism_in_Girls , " scaboobady " w --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 When do you give it to her? For Allie, I can't give it much more than 30 min before bedtime, she falls over sound asleep like Ella. Seems like I've read other parents report it making their kids a little groggy during the day, but it sounds like you aren't giving her much at all. If I were you, I think I'd try skipping it a couple of days and see what happens. Can you half that dose? Do you think she's growing or getting sick? Seems like when my girls are doing either they sleep an awful lot. Has she started anything new, new programming, new caregivers, anything like that? Sometimes a change can wear them out, too. HTH, Debi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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