Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 New article in PLoS. http://medicine.plosjournals.org/archive/1549-1676/3/9/pdf/10.1371_journal.pmed.0030372-S.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 "Now here's the twist: warmth and motivation cant exist without cooling and safety. And if serotonin levels are too low, the brain wont turn dopamine production back on. Think of a deer caught in the headlight of your car. Its scared and its brain has released a huge jolt of dopamine that makes the deers heart race and its breathing shallow and quick. But it still cant move. The overload of dopamine parayled the deer. A few seconds later , when the deer's brain releases a little serotonin, the deer can bolt out of the road and back into the forest"I think that article is a bit off the mark. It is adrenaline (epinephrine) that causes the fight-or-flight response. SSRI propaganda says that serotonin is a calming neurotransmitter, but I find that hard to believe, given that nearly every drug which increases serotonin (by inhibiting its reuptake, thus flooding the brain with serotonin all at once like SSRIs and old school tricyclics do) causes anxiety or excitement and other stimulatory effects. I believe the only reason people may feel "calm" on an SSRI is because the body attempts to increase the reuptake to correct the imbalance and maintain homeostasis.As far as I know, serotonin and dopamine are both excitatory neurotransmitters.Perhaps this is why tianeptine (a serotonin lowering drug) reduces anxiety.A chemist once said that he thought that by lowering serotonin, dopamine would be increased. I'm not sure why though. Just some random thoughts here.SSRIs have been implicated in actually causing panic attacks in people who never had panic disorder before. Dr. Stuart Shipko, M.D., a psychiatrist and neurologist based in Pasadena, CA, says he has seen depressed patients treated with Zoloft who then developed full-blown panic attacks. They didn't have a prior history of anxiety disorders or panic attacks.I'm sure SSRIs help a number of people with depression and perhaps anxiety, but for the majority, they simply cause sexual dysfunction and exacerbate anxiety and even trigger panic attacks. Even tricyclic antidepressants are known to provoke this, although their antihistaminic effects can counteract this by virtue of sedation.This would point to serotonin being an excitatory/stimulating neurotransmitter. People on MDMA (Ecstasy) can experience significant anxiety, probably not only from the flood of dopamine being released into their brains, but also by serotonin overload.The serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness will eventually fall into disrepute as there are 2 more theories which are gaining more acceptance. One is about melatonin and there are some drugs being developed to work on the melatonin system. The other is the hippocampal theory of depression, whereby long-term stress causes the hippocampus to atrophy. Tianeptine restores the expression of two genes in the hippocampus and has been shown to restore hippocampal volume, all the while reducing serotonin and increasing dopamine in the nucleus accumbens and cortex.I'm pretty sure the current, big pharma-sponsored "Serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness" will be consigned to the dustbins of history, if not in the US, at least in Europe. :-)Sorry for the long post. I just am venting a bit at those "SSRI docs" who give out SSRIs like Valium was given out in the '70s, thinking that serotonin calms people, when in fact, it does not. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Wow, i read your post and I so agree. I never used to have any problems with panic attacks with such extreme anxiety in my life. But when I was on them I have a panic attack once. I highly doubt I would ever have had an anxiety attack without the ssri's. One question though, what is this tianeptine? Is it a supplment, or a presception drug? If it is over the counter should I try taking it? Thanks --- Hunstad wrote: > " Now here's the twist: warmth and motivation cant > exist without > cooling and safety. And if serotonin levels are too > low, the brain > wont turn dopamine production back on. Think of a > deer caught in the > headlight of your car. Its scared and its brain has > released a huge > jolt of dopamine that makes the deers heart race > and its breathing > shallow and quick. But it still cant move. The > overload of dopamine > parayled the deer. A few seconds later , when the > deer's brain > releases a little serotonin, the deer can bolt out > of the road and > back into the forest " > > I think that article is a bit off the mark. It is > adrenaline (epinephrine) that causes the > fight-or-flight response. SSRI propaganda says that > serotonin is a calming neurotransmitter, but I find > that hard to believe, given that nearly every drug > which increases serotonin (by inhibiting its > reuptake, thus flooding the brain with serotonin all > at once like SSRIs and old school tricyclics do) > causes anxiety or excitement and other stimulatory > effects. I believe the only reason people may feel > " calm " on an SSRI is because the body attempts to > increase the reuptake to correct the imbalance and > maintain homeostasis. > > As far as I know, serotonin and dopamine are both > excitatory neurotransmitters. > > Perhaps this is why tianeptine (a serotonin lowering > drug) reduces anxiety. > A chemist once said that he thought that by lowering > serotonin, dopamine would be increased. I'm not > sure why though. Just some random thoughts here. > > SSRIs have been implicated in actually causing panic > attacks in people who never had panic disorder > before. Dr. Stuart Shipko, M.D., a psychiatrist and > neurologist based in Pasadena, CA, says he has seen > depressed patients treated with Zoloft who then > developed full-blown panic attacks. They didn't > have a prior history of anxiety disorders or panic > attacks. > > I'm sure SSRIs help a number of people with > depression and perhaps anxiety, but for the > majority, they simply cause sexual dysfunction and > exacerbate anxiety and even trigger panic attacks. > Even tricyclic antidepressants are known to provoke > this, although their antihistaminic effects can > counteract this by virtue of sedation. > > This would point to serotonin being an > excitatory/stimulating neurotransmitter. > > People on MDMA (Ecstasy) can experience significant > anxiety, probably not only from the flood of > dopamine being released into their brains, but also > by serotonin overload. > > The serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness will > eventually fall into disrepute as there are 2 more > theories which are gaining more acceptance. One is > about melatonin and there are some drugs being > developed to work on the melatonin system. The > other is the hippocampal theory of depression, > whereby long-term stress causes the hippocampus to > atrophy. Tianeptine restores the expression of two > genes in the hippocampus and has been shown to > restore hippocampal volume, all the while reducing > serotonin and increasing dopamine in the nucleus > accumbens and cortex. > > I'm pretty sure the current, big pharma-sponsored > " Serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness " will be > consigned to the dustbins of history, if not in the > US, at least in Europe. :-) > > Sorry for the long post. I just am venting a bit at > those " SSRI docs " who give out SSRIs like Valium was > given out in the '70s, thinking that serotonin calms > people, when in fact, it does not. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check > it out. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 > > Wow, i read your post and I so agree. I never used to > have any problems with panic attacks with such extreme > anxiety in my life. But when I was on them I have a > panic attack once. I highly doubt I would ever have > had an anxiety attack without the ssri's. One question > though, what is this tianeptine? Is it a supplment, or > a presception drug? If it is over the counter should I > try taking it? Thanks I'm really sorry you had panic attacks on those drugs. I had the worst panic attacks of my life from just taking 1/2 tablet of Paxil... ended up in the ER and thought I would die from anxiety. Prozac, the first time around @ 20mg back when it was brand new on the market, made me feel like I was on fire (and like my hair was growing out of my head...very strange sensations...thought I would literally explode and just drop dead. What a nightmare). I figure, if we are already nervous wrecks and the doctor says, " It's going to make you worse before you get better " , then that's just not worth it. I take Valium and it is extremely difficult to find a doctor willing to prescribe that, and some of the ones who do will try to make moral judgment calls on me as if I'm an addict or I'm selling it on the black market. Jeez. About tianeptine (Stablon). That is a prescription drug available in Europe and Asia and it works in the exact opposite way of SSRIs by removing free serotonin and also accelerating its reuptake. You can order it online. It is about 50 cents to $1 a pill from most online pharmacies. There are almost no side effects from this drug. It is anxiolytic and a mild to moderate antidepressant. There are no effects on cardiac function, unlike the other antidepressants. It doesn't work for everyone, but you could give it a try. You have to take it 3 times a day (or 4) to have an appreciable response. If you also have asthma, it helps that too. The good thing is it won't cause sexual dysfunction. It helped me a little bit with regards to my libido too. I have to admit that it did make me feel jittery in the beginning but that was nothing like the side effects of SSRIs. I had no panic attacks because of it... just a lowered appetite and jittery feeling for a few days until my body adjusted and then my mood and anxiety improved a lot. I've been on tianeptine for almost 2 years. That costs me $2 a day, but it is worth every penny. You can try it and I hope it helps you. It won't interact with other drugs because it isn't metabolised by the CYP450 enzymes in the liver, but by beta-oxidation. Dr. Shipko, the one who published some case reports of PSSD said that SAM-e is a good and safe antidepressant and you can get that OTC. Here are some links for tianeptine: http://www.tianeptine.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianeptine http://www.tianeptine.info :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Thank your for your time and help. I find this information all helpful as I dont know too much. My main problem though is my obbsessive thoughts that produces so much anxiety and bothers me. Basically OCD, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I do really well mood wise most of the time. Depression isn't a major factor anymore. So my question is, does this tianeptine help with ocd? Also do you need a prescription to order it online? You mentiond this doctor saying sam E helps with depression; what about Obbsessive compulsive disorder as well? Ever since I moved out of all the horrible conditions i was living in (absuive stepfather and mother) I am now living on my own with my fiancie far away and my mood is 100 times better. My only problem is my obbsessive compulsive disorder, and mild tourette syndrome. But the tourettes has subsided to be of any real concern. So any input you could give me about something to help my OCD without producing the horrible sexual dysfunction , and other side effects of ssri's would help. Thanks alot for your help =) Ps. I mean to get this book someone suggested on here, that speaks on taking amino acids to help with my ocd, such as L tryophan. Though it may sound pessimistic though, I do believe I need something stronger to help with the Compulsive thoughs and anxiety that plauges me. Its pretty rough. =) --- hunstad2 wrote: > > > > > Wow, i read your post and I so agree. I never used > to > > have any problems with panic attacks with such > extreme > > anxiety in my life. But when I was on them I have > a > > panic attack once. I highly doubt I would ever > have > > had an anxiety attack without the ssri's. One > question > > though, what is this tianeptine? Is it a > supplment, or > > a presception drug? If it is over the counter > should I > > try taking it? Thanks > > I'm really sorry you had panic attacks on those > drugs. I had the > worst panic attacks of my life from just taking 1/2 > tablet of Paxil... > ended up in the ER and thought I would die from > anxiety. Prozac, > the first time around @ 20mg back when it was brand > new on the market, > made me feel like I was on fire (and like my hair > was growing out of > my head...very strange sensations...thought I would > literally explode > and just drop dead. What a nightmare). I figure, > if we are already > nervous wrecks and the doctor says, " It's going to > make you worse > before you get better " , then that's just not worth > it. I take Valium > and it is extremely difficult to find a doctor > willing to prescribe > that, and some of the ones who do will try to make > moral judgment > calls on me as if I'm an addict or I'm selling it on > the black market. > Jeez. > > About tianeptine (Stablon). That is a prescription > drug available in > Europe and Asia and it works in the exact opposite > way of SSRIs by > removing free serotonin and also accelerating its > reuptake. You can > order it online. It is about 50 cents to $1 a pill > from most online > pharmacies. There are almost no side effects from > this drug. It is > anxiolytic and a mild to moderate antidepressant. > There are no > effects on cardiac function, unlike the other > antidepressants. > It doesn't work for everyone, but you could give it > a try. You have > to take it 3 times a day (or 4) to have an > appreciable response. If > you also have asthma, it helps that too. > > The good thing is it won't cause sexual dysfunction. > It helped me a > little bit with regards to my libido too. > > I have to admit that it did make me feel jittery in > the beginning but > that was nothing like the side effects of SSRIs. I > had no panic > attacks because of it... just a lowered appetite and > jittery feeling > for a few days until my body adjusted and then my > mood and anxiety > improved a lot. > > I've been on tianeptine for almost 2 years. That > costs me $2 a day, > but it is worth every penny. You can try it and I > hope it helps you. > It won't interact with other drugs because it isn't > metabolised by > the CYP450 enzymes in the liver, but by > beta-oxidation. > > Dr. Shipko, the one who published some case reports > of PSSD said that > SAM-e is a good and safe antidepressant and you can > get that OTC. > > Here are some links for tianeptine: > > http://www.tianeptine.com > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianeptine > > http://www.tianeptine.info > > :-) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 " I think that article is a bit off the mark. It is adrenaline (epinephrine) that causes the fight-or-flight response. SSRI propaganda says that serotonin is a calming neurotransmitter, but I find that hard to believe, given that nearly every drug which increases serotonin (by inhibiting its reuptake, thus flooding the brain with serotonin all at once like SSRIs and old school tricyclics do) causes anxiety or excitement and other stimulatory effects. I believe the only reason people may feel " calm " on an SSRI is because the body attempts to increase the reuptake to correct the imbalance and maintain homeostasis. " I dont know exactly the process but I thought that dopamine is a precursor that turns into noradrenaline and than into adrenaline. Anyways yea, it seems that serotonin does make a mania or severe anxiety in people especailly SSRIs. I experienced it myself on Prozac, which now i think about it is one of the reason people commit suicide. On the first dose of Prozac, I felt very terrible , I felt like the only way to get out was to commit suicde. Its scary when I think about it right now. But the thing that makes it more confusing is the Zoloft had totally opposite reaction, it made me drowsy for 3 to 4 days instead of Prozac uncotrollable hyperactivity. But I think so called " inhibiting " transmitters can cause hyperactivity like for example taurine is suppose to be one of the major inhibiters and it in almost every energy drink out there. I think serotonin is dangerous only when its level is skyrocketing or overflowing. What I was imagining of what happened is that when SSRI started overflowing serotonin , other transmitter were affected having no rooms for them. They had to get out of the rooms for serotonin. While this was happening the body it self was running out of serotonin since drug itself is not serotonin, it only blocks the reuptake of it. So when our bodies get used to it , SSRi doesnt works as well as it used to. the body was having not producing enough serotonin like it use to, So this is when we up the dosages to have what it used to feel like in the beginning, So when we stop taking the drug, everything has just have slowed down and the body chemistry is all out of whack between nerves. Now we are dealing with very low of some of the trasmitters communicating and they are not communicating with each other very well. This what I have been imagining of what happen recently with my limited knowledge. " As far as I know, serotonin and dopamine are both excitatory neurotransmitters. " Maybe you could be right that serotonin can be excitatory. " Perhaps this is why tianeptine (a serotonin lowering drug) reduces anxiety.A chemist once said that he thought that by lowering serotonin, dopamine would be increased. I'm not sure why though. Just some random thoughts here. " I have tried tianeptine, for me it was a good experience, somewhat of very clean drug for me without devsating side effect but I havent taking it long enough to know. It did make me feel normal. I might try again sometimes. " SSRIs have been implicated in actually causing panic attacks in people who never had panic disorder before. Dr. Stuart Shipko, M.D., a psychiatrist and neurologist based in Pasadena, CA, says he has seen depressed patients treated with Zoloft who then developed full- blown panic attacks. They didn't have a prior history of anxiety disorders or panic attacks. " I really think it is the drug that causes panic attack not serotonin by itself though. " I'm sure SSRIs help a number of people with depression and perhaps anxiety, but for the majority, they simply cause sexual dysfunction and exacerbate anxiety and even trigger panic attacks. Even tricyclic antidepressants are known to provoke this, although their antihistaminic effects can counteract this by virtue of sedation. " " This would point to serotonin being an excitatory/stimulating neurotransmitter. " I dont know but L-tryptophan for me caused sedation. Ive read it turns into serotonin and than into melatonin which also causes drowsiness. But I think it causes anxiety only when taken too much which I think what SSRI could be doing. What Im thinking is that too much of serotonin is the problem not the serotonin itself because odd enough recently I kind of took a lots of L-tryphotan and 5htp before bed together and I woke with uncontrollable nervousness, now I think about it, I prob took it too much. I remember hearing a story about this rat experiement where they fed the rats overdose of taurine (inhibitory) and it started going nuts and than died evetnually due to overdose, Probably had intense anxiety. " People on MDMA (Ecstasy) can experience significant anxiety, probably not only from the flood of dopamine being released into their brains, but also by serotonin overload. " i guess it differs from people but when I have tried ecsatsy, it made me super calm, relaxed and happy, also aroused Ive also heard it releases GABA too. " The serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness will eventually fall into disrepute as there are 2 more theories which are gaining more acceptance. One is about melatonin and there are some drugs being developed to work on the melatonin system. The other is the hippocampal theory of depression, whereby long-term stress causes the hippocampus to atrophy. Tianeptine restores the expression of two genes in the hippocampus and has been shown to restore hippocampal volume, all the while reducing serotonin and increasing dopamine in the nucleus accumbens and cortex. " But Ive read SSRI also causes hippo to grow in volume too which sounds really freaky. " I'm pretty sure the current, big pharma-sponsored " Serotonin hypothesis of depressive illness " will be consigned to the dustbins of history, if not in the US, at least in Europe. :-) " Hopefully in the US too, these theory talk seems way too simplified and maybe useless without a such tool that can measure them if they even exist " Sorry for the long post. I just am venting a bit at those " SSRI docs " who give out SSRIs like Valium was given out in the '70s, thinking that serotonin calms people, when in fact, it does not. " I really apprreciate your replying post, I just needed someone to talk to about this stuff. What happen in the 70s anyway ? Sad its past 30 years and history is repeating itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 > > Thank your for your time and help. I find this > information all helpful as I dont know too much. My > main problem though is my obbsessive thoughts that > produces so much anxiety and bothers me. Basically > OCD, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Hi there. :-) I have a mild form of OCD too. The standard treatment for OCD used to be Anafranil (clomipramine) before the SSRIs hit the scene, but that's loaded with side effects. I'm not sure if it causes sexual dysfunction. For what it's worth, when I was on old-school tricyclics like imipramine I didn't experience any problems with sex drive. There is one case report in the literature of tianeptine supposedly exacerbating a female patient's OCD. One case though isn't enough to draw any conclusions. You can order tianeptine from lots of online pharmacies and they don't usually ask for a prescription. If you live in the US, technically it is illegal, even with a prescription, to import drugs which aren't FDA-approved like tianeptine. The worst that'll happen is they'll seize it. Most reputable online pharmacies will package it discreetly so it passes through Customs with being detected. It's not a controlled substance either... I think those guys at Customs are probably looking for OxyContin and other Schedule II/III narcotics being imported into the US. I also wonder about L-tryptophan. I had read that there is still a risk involved in taking that because the FDA wasn't sure if it was only a manufacturing defect that caused the product to be potentially dangerous or whether it was something about the substance itself. There were some deaths back in '89 related to a bad batch that came from Japan if I remember correctly. I think it is still a prescription drug. You can go to http://www.rxlist.com and look up L-tryptophan or just " tryptophan " to see the side effects and if there is a " black box " warning there. OCD is basically a type of anxiety disorder. Do you have panic attacks too? SAM-e is very safe. It's produced by the human body. You can get it OTC at any health food store. If you really want to try tianeptine, you can email me. I haven't found it to worsen my OCD, but my case is mild... although it was worse in the past when I wasn't on antidepressants. I would end up counting things or checking the money in my wallet or checking the locks more than a few times. I knew it was ridiculous, but I just felt an overwhelming feeling... that I just couldn't stop very easily. I tried cognitive-behavioural therapy or maybe it was just regular psychotherapy and that seemed to help. Tianeptine does take a lot of my worries away and gives me more peace of mind, all without sedation. That's the amazing thing about it. No one is 100% sure just how it works. It does reduce cortisol, which is a stress hormone, besides the other effects of accelerating the reuptake (removal) of serotonin and somehow increasing dopamine, etc. " ...I do believe I need something stronger to help with the Compulsive thoughs and anxiety that plauges me. Its pretty rough. =) " Vistaril/Atarax (hydroxyzine) is a sedating antihistamine mostly used as an anxiolytic. If you use that PRN (as needed), it can help in crisis situations where the anxiety is intense. It helped me when benzodiazepines like Valium wouldn't cut through it. The ER doc gave me Vistaril 50mg and I was feeling quite normal when it took effect. It's not addictive either so that's a bonus. :-) I suppose you could try Anafranil (clomipramine) for the OCD if it really bad. Perhaps other folks here have tried it. I don't know of any other drug which is proven to help OCD. Don't take Luvox (fluvoxamine...another nasty SSRI!).. hehheh..(but you already know that) :-) Good luck to you. Let me know what you decide to do. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I found this interesting discussion about stablon. http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/11/depression_and_the_l.html Tianeptine in one study says in long term increases serotonin. http://tinyurl.com/b46tn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Thanks for all your help huntstad, im still researching and weighing in all options. I used to take clomipromiane actually, and well it has high chances of causing sexual dyfysfunction, as well as other side effects as you pointed out. The tinapetine sounds good, but i'm just not sure at this point in time. I really should try some types of therapy but no money, or insurance makes that not so easy, hehe. I guess after being affected in so many ways by all the medicines I have taken in my life for ocd, I have become just so wary of taking anything thats not a natural supplment. But after you spoke of L tryophan, it seems you should be careful with those as well. Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it all. By the way, do you know if DHEA is ok to take? Im taking 50mg/ a day, but this other guy on here posted alink that said made him wary to even take 5mg?...Hmm, i'll have to check this out, though part of me doesn't want too because this stuff seems to help me out. --- hunstad2 wrote: > > > > > Thank your for your time and help. I find this > > information all helpful as I dont know too much. > My > > main problem though is my obbsessive thoughts that > > produces so much anxiety and bothers me. Basically > > OCD, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. > > Hi there. :-) > > I have a mild form of OCD too. The standard > treatment for OCD used to > be Anafranil (clomipramine) before the SSRIs hit the > scene, but that's > loaded with side effects. I'm not sure if it causes > sexual > dysfunction. For what it's worth, when I was on > old-school tricyclics > like imipramine I didn't experience any problems > with sex drive. > > There is one case report in the literature of > tianeptine supposedly > exacerbating a female patient's OCD. One case > though isn't enough to > draw any conclusions. > > You can order tianeptine from lots of online > pharmacies and they don't > usually ask for a prescription. If you live in the > US, technically it > is illegal, even with a prescription, to import > drugs which aren't > FDA-approved like tianeptine. The worst that'll > happen is they'll > seize it. Most reputable online pharmacies will > package it discreetly > so it passes through Customs with being detected. > > It's not a controlled substance either... I think > those guys at > Customs are probably looking for OxyContin and other > Schedule II/III > narcotics being imported into the US. > > I also wonder about L-tryptophan. I had read that > there is still a > risk involved in taking that because the FDA wasn't > sure if it was > only a manufacturing defect that caused the product > to be potentially > dangerous or whether it was something about the > substance itself. > There were some deaths back in '89 related to a bad > batch that came > from Japan if I remember correctly. I think it is > still a > prescription drug. > > You can go to http://www.rxlist.com and look up > L-tryptophan or just > " tryptophan " to see the side effects and if there is > a " black box " > warning there. > > OCD is basically a type of anxiety disorder. Do you > have panic > attacks too? > > SAM-e is very safe. It's produced by the human > body. You can get it > OTC at any health food store. > > If you really want to try tianeptine, you can email > me. I haven't > found it to worsen my OCD, but my case is mild... > although it was > worse in the past when I wasn't on antidepressants. > I would end up > counting things or checking the money in my wallet > or checking the > locks more than a few times. I knew it was > ridiculous, but I just > felt an overwhelming feeling... that I just couldn't > stop very easily. > > I tried cognitive-behavioural therapy or maybe it > was just regular > psychotherapy and that seemed to help. > > Tianeptine does take a lot of my worries away and > gives me more peace > of mind, all without sedation. That's the amazing > thing about it. No > one is 100% sure just how it works. It does reduce > cortisol, which is > a stress hormone, besides the other effects of > accelerating the > reuptake (removal) of serotonin and somehow > increasing dopamine, etc. > > " ...I do believe I need something stronger to help > with the Compulsive > thoughs and anxiety that plauges me. Its pretty > rough. =) " > > Vistaril/Atarax (hydroxyzine) is a sedating > antihistamine mostly used > as an anxiolytic. If you use that PRN (as needed), > it can help in > crisis situations where the anxiety is intense. It > helped me when > benzodiazepines like Valium wouldn't cut through it. > The ER doc gave > me Vistaril 50mg and I was feeling quite normal when > it took effect. > It's not addictive either so that's a bonus. :-) > > I suppose you could try Anafranil (clomipramine) for > the OCD if it > really bad. Perhaps other folks here have tried it. > I don't know of > any other drug which is proven to help OCD. Don't > take Luvox > (fluvoxamine...another nasty SSRI!).. hehheh..(but > you already know > that) :-) > > Good luck to you. Let me know what you decide to > do. :-) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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