Re: Hope of natural recovery?

October 3, 2006

Based on your progress over the last few months, you may well fully

recover. I can't say for sure because there seem to be some

variables that we don't understand. But yes, I think you have a

good chance.

Vornan

>

> This question is for Vern, or anyone else who may

> know the answer please respond.

>

> Basically, Is it possible for my body to still

> recover naturally? It has only been 5 months since I

> have stopped taking the srri's. I still havent

> recovered sensation, and all the other typical

> symptoms that come from pssd still persist.

>

> Is it still possible that my body can naturally heal

> itself say a year or two down the line? Or will this

> most likely be permament damage that I won't be able

> to recover from.

>

> I ask Vern this question because he seems to have a

> lot of experience but I know others on this group have

> just as much. Thank you all.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

October 8, 2006

" Lots of amazon reviews are from people who followed hormone

advice from some book and then had side effects. "

really ? I didnt get to read all of them, I guess bioidentical

treatment has its drawbacks. The pharmacy I visited is a coumpounding

pharmacy, I am going to see a pharmacist there, where I think he uses

saliva hormone tests, to evaluate. we'll see.

Ive read only small parts of couple books about hormone treatment at

barnes n nobles and of course part about men but It interesting they

mention doctors misprescribe antidepressant for hormonal problem for

women and men. One of the case in the book, this guys was able to get

off antidperessant prozac after testosterone and diet n exercise plan

and this guy was in his 50s I think while he got all of his functions

back.

October 8, 2006

I'd be interested in knowing specifically what prozac does to the body

and whether full recovery is possible. I had the same issue of not

having as much intensity after getting off of prozac as I had before I

was on prozac. Prozac flattened me in every way, all my ups and downs

were gone and I hated it. It totally killed my sex drive. My sex drive

is better now, but the intensity never did come back. I was on prozac

in the early 90's, I think.

I recently completely weaned myself off of Lexapro completely. That's

going okay so far. I used the method described by The Road Back

(http://theroadback.org).

Now I'm working on losing all the weight I gained while being on Lexapro.

the Dreamer

> I have seen so far that this group is composed of mainly men, but I

> thought I might have something to add here. I went on Prozac after

> breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago. First of all, I should

> have never been prescibed an SSRI for depression that was obviously

> caused by a trigger event and my reaction to this event was what I

> would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I completely lost

> sensation after taking them and was so frustrated that I went off

> them four months later and went through a menopausal time in my life

> at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course had no response still.

> I saw doc after doc and they all told me it was in my head UNTIL I

> saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different philosophy than most US

> doctors. He really listened and made it a mission to help me. I did

> all the hormone tests and ended up going on HRT. I took three

> hormones in cream form (estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone). I

> continued this treatment for about 8 months before I saw noticeable

> improvement. I continued taking the hormones for about 2 years. I

> regained most of my sexual response, but I never got back to the

> really powerful sensations I had become accustomed to prior to the

> whole mess. I continued the testosterone longer than the other

> hormones as it seemed to have the most effect on my sexual response.

> The other two were to get me back to a regular cycle, etc. My

> biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused myself to knock out my

> reproductive system altogether and that I wouldn't be able to get

> pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months pregnant with my first

> child right now, so I guess everything is fine. And this is after a

> period in my life where I went without a period for almost a year and

> thought I was in early menopause forever!!!! So, I guess I am

> thinking things can get better, but I don't know that it would have

> happened for me if I hadn't found that one doctor with a different

> perspective who really wanted me to get better and talked with me

> very openly about what was happening with my body specifically.

>

> Holly

>

October 11, 2006

You know this is so interestin, because I have been

pondering in my mind so much recently about how

hormones affect a person SO much. Its like the

essential esscence that makes everything about us

tick.

My fianace recently had to get off all birth control

because the synthetic hormones would just make her so

wacky. It was so unbearable. Now that she is off them,

things have turned a 360 degree. She acts so

different. Now our lives run so smooth and she laughs

and smiles.

Well I have been thinking and I wouldnt be surprised

that somehow treatment dealing with hormones with us

(those affected with pssd) could possibly help cure

us. What do you guys think? ANy input?

--- zoloftscrwd4life

wrote:

> Ive been doing some book searches about hormones on

> Amazon.com, and I

> came across many books with good reviews about

> natural hormones and

> bioidentical hormone therapy mostly for women. Is

> there any books on

> men about this ? I dont have a clue how hormones

> treatment differ but

> why are they saying this type of natural hormone is

> better than the

> convetional hormonal treatment ? I am interested

> because I found this

> one near by pharmacy store that offered natural

> hormone treatment or

> something, maybe ill go visit soon. Are all natural

> hormone therapy

> concept similar ?

>

> > >

> > > > I have seen so far that this group is composed

> of

> > > > mainly men, but I thought I might have

> something

> > > to

> > > > add here. I went on Prozac after breaking up

> with

> > > a

> > > > boyfriend 7 years ago. First of all, I should

> have

> > > > never been prescibed an SSRI for depression

> that

> > > was

> > > > obviously caused by a trigger event and my

> > > reaction

> > > > to this event was what I would consider

> > > normal....I

> > > > was sad. Anyway, I completely lost sensation

> after

> > > > taking them and was so frustrated that I went

> off

> > > > them four months later and went through a

> > > menopausal

> > > > time in my life at the ripe old age of 26!!!

> Then

> > > I

> > > > of course had no response still. I saw doc

> after

> > > > doc and they all told me it was in my head

> UNTIL I

> > > > saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different

> > > > philosophy than most US doctors. He really

> > > listened

> > > > and made it a mission to help me. I did all

> the

>

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October 17, 2006

Wow, that *is* interesting. Most people I've known have had Prozac

flatten them, this is the first I've heard of it giving someone a

continual high and extra abilities. You also said in your other email

that you were put on the SSRI to help handle grief and loss, I think

that's what also happened to my boyfriend two or three years ago, and

now he's hooked on all the psych meds he is on and I am not sure whether

I could get him to try using the method I used to wean myself off of

Lexapro. He's very stubborn and I'm still working on finding creative

ways to suggest things for him to try that I think will benefit him.

(I'm open to tips from the guys here.) (And it's not like I'm trying to

fix him or make him be something he's not, it's things like wearing a

seatbelt, seeing a chiropractor for chronic back pain, getting his eyes

checked after 5 years of not getting them checked and getting new

glasses so he can see, stuff like that.)

Personally I don't think my boyfriend needs the psych meds. I think he

just needed help in learning to deal with his painful emotions and then

he would have been fine. Now he has very few emotions and hardly any

sex drive at all. However, at bedtime shortly after he takes his night

time meds, he seems very aroused, attempts to be sexual with me (in his

drugged up state) in ways that aren't always pleasant (one time it was

blissful though), then awakes in the morning with absolutely no memory

of what happened. When I tried to talk to him about what we did last

night after the first time, he thought I was joking. He was upset when

he learned that he didn't get to experience the one time that was

blissful. Once I realized that he was just being sexual in a drugged up

state, I started turning him down when he would try to be sexual with me

after he's had his bedtime meds because then it felt like I was taking

advantage of him. I've been telling him about his attempts the

following morning and he has no memory of his attempts or of my

turndowns. He's always very surprised to learn of the experiences.

He rarely tries to be sexual with me otherwise. He told me he had a

very strong sex drive before the meds. He's decreasing the Effexor and

increasing the Wellbutrin and keeps teasing me about how wild he will be

once he gets the meds changed to the point that his sex drive will be

back. I'm looking forward to that. The waiting is hard because it's a

challenge to keep from feeling undesireable. But I am being patient.

the Dreamer

> ,

>

> I don't really know what Prozac does specifically. What was

> interesting with me is that while I was on it, I didn't have any lows

> at all. I was high as a kite the whole time. I went out dancing

> probably 3 or 4 times a week (not drinking hardly at all...just

> dancing), took up drawing and painting, became a clean freak in the

> house, threw parties frequently. I lost weight because I was rarely

> hungry and moving all the time. I was a ball of energy. Before that

> I was a normal energetic person. I weighed a normal 130 pounds on a

> 5'5 " frame. Prior to my break up I had pretty normal highs and lows.

> I was balanced. I also had very intense orgasms and my sex drive was

> normal.

>

> On Prozac, even though I was so perky all of the time, I had no

> feeling during self stimulation or sex. Everything was numb. I was

> totally frustrated. So I went cold turkey off Prozac...huge mistake.

> I woke up in pools of sweat every night for several months after

> that. There was so much sweat, I had to change my sheets every

> single night in the middle of the night. My sex drive and response

> remained numb and the rest of my body went crazy. I lost my ability

> to " see " artistically (the random gift I had while on Prozac), and

> everything else that felt good while on Prozac disappeared too, but

> the one reason why I went off of it remained unchanged....no sexual

> response. I would love to know what it does too...obviously it

> changes your inner workings permanently (without some sort of therapy

> to recover). I wasn't willing to wait for natural recovery. I had

> already been waiting 2 years at a time in my life when it really

> mattered. I mean I was unmarried and in my late twenties and I felt

> like any relationship I might try to enter would be doomed because I

> couldn't imagine a boyfriend being able to handle my lack of response

> or my wanting to continue with sex for hours on end hoping something

> magic would happen. In fact I didn't relax into normal relationship

> patterns again until after I knew I could function sexually. It was

> just too hard otherwise.

>

> Holly

>

> the Dreamer wrote: I'd be interested in

> knowing specifically what prozac does to the body and whether full

> recovery is possible. I had the same issue of not having as much

> intensity after getting off of prozac as I had before I was on

> prozac. Prozac flattened me in every way, all my ups and downs were

> gone and I hated it. It totally killed my sex drive. My sex drive is

> better now, but the intensity never did come back. I was on prozac in

> the early 90's, I think.

>

> I recently completely weaned myself off of Lexapro completely. That's

> going okay so far. I used the method described by The Road Back

> (http://theroadback.org).

>

> Now I'm working on losing all the weight I gained while being on

> Lexapro.

>

> the Dreamer

>

>> I have seen so far that this group is composed of mainly men, but I

>> thought I might have something to add here. I went on Prozac after

>> breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago. First of all, I should

>> have never been prescibed an SSRI for depression that was obviously

>> caused by a trigger event and my reaction to this event was what I

>> would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I completely lost

>> sensation after taking them and was so frustrated that I went off

>> them four months later and went through a menopausal time in my

>> life at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course had no response

>> still. I saw doc after doc and they all told me it was in my head

>> UNTIL I saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different philosophy

>> than most US doctors. He really listened and made it a mission to

>> help me. I did all the hormone tests and ended up going on HRT. I

>> took three hormones in cream form (estrogen, progesterone, and

>> testosterone). I continued this treatment for about 8 months before

>> I saw noticeable improvement. I continued taking the hormones for

>> about 2 years. I regained most of my sexual response, but I never

>> got back to the really powerful sensations I had become accustomed

>> to prior to the whole mess. I continued the testosterone longer

>> than the other hormones as it seemed to have the most effect on my

>> sexual response. The other two were to get me back to a regular

>> cycle, etc. My biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused myself to

>> knock out my reproductive system altogether and that I wouldn't be

>> able to get pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months pregnant

>> with my first child right now, so I guess everything is fine. And

>> this is after a period in my life where I went without a period for

>> almost a year and thought I was in early menopause forever!!!! So,

>> I guess I am thinking things can get better, but I don't know that

>> it would have happened for me if I hadn't found that one doctor

>> with a different perspective who really wanted me to get better and

>> talked with me very openly about what was happening with my body

>> specifically.

>>

>> Holly

>>

>

October 17, 2006

What is the bedtime medication. This is very interesting and in someways similar. I had many episode like that with my wife, when I took Ambient. I had vague recollection, and did not rememeber much. Aparantely the sex was good to the point I could no longer continue and fell sleep. I am not taking Ambient any more, and when I do, I go straight to bed, before my wife gets to bed. Don't want to worry about sleeping pills effect of sex and mood.

-Steve

Wow, that *is* interesting. Most people I've known have had Prozac flatten them, this is the first I've heard of it giving someone a continual high and extra abilities. You also said in your other email that you were put on the SSRI to help handle grief and loss, I think that's what also happened to my boyfriend two or three years ago, and now he's hooked on all the psych meds he is on and I am not sure whether I could get him to try using the method I used to wean myself off of Lexapro. He's very stubborn and I'm still working on finding creative ways to suggest things for him to try that I think will benefit him. (I'm open to tips from the guys here.) (And it's not like I'm trying to fix him or make him be something he's not, it's things like wearing a seatbelt, seeing a chiropractor for chronic back pain, getting his eyes checked after 5 years of not getting them checked and getting new

glasses so he can see, stuff like that.)Personally I don't think my boyfriend needs the psych meds. I think he just needed help in learning to deal with his painful emotions and then he would have been fine. Now he has very few emotions and hardly any sex drive at all. However, at bedtime shortly after he takes his night time meds, he seems very aroused, attempts to be sexual with me (in his drugged up state) in ways that aren't always pleasant (one time it was blissful though), then awakes in the morning with absolutely no memory of what happened. When I tried to talk to him about what we did last night after the first time, he thought I was joking. He was upset when he learned that he didn't get to experience the one time that was blissful. Once I realized that he was just being sexual in a drugged up state, I started turning him down when he would try to be sexual with me after he's had his bedtime meds because then it felt like I was taking advantage of him. I've been telling him about his attempts the following morning and he has no memory of his attempts or of my turndowns. He's always very surprised to learn of the experiences.

He rarely tries to be sexual with me otherwise. He told me he had a very strong sex drive before the meds. He's decreasing the Effexor and increasing the Wellbutrin and keeps teasing me about how wild he will be once he gets the meds changed to the point that his sex drive will be back. I'm looking forward to that. The waiting is hard because it's a challenge to keep from feeling undesireable. But I am being patient.

the Dreamer > ,> > I don't really know what Prozac does specifically. What was> interesting with me is that while I was on it, I didn't have any lows

> at all. I was high as a kite the whole time. I went out dancing> probably 3 or 4 times a week (not drinking hardly at all...just> dancing), took up drawing and painting, became a clean freak in the

> house, threw parties frequently. I lost weight because I was rarely> hungry and moving all the time. I was a ball of energy. Before that> I was a normal energetic person. I weighed a normal 130 pounds on a

> 5'5 " frame. Prior to my break up I had pretty normal highs and lows.> I was balanced. I also had very intense orgasms and my sex drive was> normal.> > On Prozac, even though I was so perky all of the time, I had no

> feeling during self stimulation or sex. Everything was numb. I was> totally frustrated. So I went cold turkey off Prozac...huge mistake.> I woke up in pools of sweat every night for several months after

> that. There was so much sweat, I had to change my sheets every> single night in the middle of the night. My sex drive and response> remained numb and the rest of my body went crazy. I lost my ability

> to " see " artistically (the random gift I had while on Prozac), and> everything else that felt good while on Prozac disappeared too, but> the one reason why I went off of it remained unchanged....no sexual

> response. I would love to know what it does too...obviously it> changes your inner workings permanently (without some sort of therapy> to recover). I wasn't willing to wait for natural recovery. I had

> already been waiting 2 years at a time in my life when it really> mattered. I mean I was unmarried and in my late twenties and I felt> like any relationship I might try to enter would be doomed because I

> couldn't imagine a boyfriend being able to handle my lack of response> or my wanting to continue with sex for hours on end hoping something> magic would happen. In fact I didn't relax into normal relationship

> patterns again until after I knew I could function sexually. It was> just too hard otherwise.> > Holly> > the Dreamer <

unique@...> wrote: I'd be interested in> knowing specifically what prozac does to the body and whether full> recovery is possible. I had the same issue of not having as much> intensity after getting off of prozac as I had before I was on

> prozac. Prozac flattened me in every way, all my ups and downs were> gone and I hated it. It totally killed my sex drive. My sex drive is> better now, but the intensity never did come back. I was on prozac in

> the early 90's, I think.> > I recently completely weaned myself off of Lexapro completely. That's> going okay so far. I used the method described by The Road Back > (

http://theroadback.org).> > Now I'm working on losing all the weight I gained while being on> Lexapro.> > the Dreamer> >

> >> I have seen so far that this group is composed of mainly men, but I>> thought I might have something to add here. I went on Prozac after>> breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago. First of all, I should >> have never been prescibed an SSRI for depression that was obviously>> caused by a trigger event and my reaction to this event was what I>> would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I completely lost >> sensation after taking them and was so frustrated that I went off >> them four months later and went through a menopausal time in my>> life at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course had no response

>> still. I saw doc after doc and they all told me it was in my head>> UNTIL I saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different philosophy>> than most US doctors. He really listened and made it a mission to

>> help me. I did all the hormone tests and ended up going on HRT. I>> took three hormones in cream form (estrogen, progesterone, and>> testosterone). I continued this treatment for about 8 months before

>> I saw noticeable improvement. I continued taking the hormones for>> about 2 years. I regained most of my sexual response, but I never>> got back to the really powerful sensations I had become accustomed

>> to prior to the whole mess. I continued the testosterone longer>> than the other hormones as it seemed to have the most effect on my>> sexual response. The other two were to get me back to a regular

>> cycle, etc. My biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused myself to>> knock out my reproductive system altogether and that I wouldn't be>> able to get pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months pregnant

>> with my first child right now, so I guess everything is fine. And>> this is after a period in my life where I went without a period for>> almost a year and thought I was in early menopause forever!!!! So,

>> I guess I am thinking things can get better, but I don't know that>> it would have happened for me if I hadn't found that one doctor>> with a different perspective who really wanted me to get better and

>> talked with me very openly about what was happening with my body>> specifically.>> >> Holly>> >> >

October 18, 2006

Ambien is one of the meds he takes at bedtime. He also raids the fridge

about 30 minutes after taking Ambien and does not remember eating the

food he finds the empty wrappers for in the morning. I don't know which

other meds he takes at bedtime, I know he's on Effexor and welbutrin

plus another psych med and several other meds for other conditions he has.

the Dreamer

> What is the bedtime medication. This is very interesting and in someways

> similar. I had many episode like that with my wife, when I took Ambient. I

> had vague recollection, and did not rememeber much. Aparantely the sex was

> good to the point I could no longer continue and fell sleep. I am not

> taking

> Ambient any more, and when I do, I go straight to bed, before my wife gets

> to bed. Don't want to worry about sleeping pills effect of sex and mood.

>

> -Steve

>

>>

>> Wow, that *is* interesting. Most people I've known have had Prozac

>> flatten them, this is the first I've heard of it giving someone a

>> continual high and extra abilities. You also said in your other email

>> that you were put on the SSRI to help handle grief and loss, I think

>> that's what also happened to my boyfriend two or three years ago, and

>> now he's hooked on all the psych meds he is on and I am not sure whether

>> I could get him to try using the method I used to wean myself off of

>> Lexapro. He's very stubborn and I'm still working on finding creative

>> ways to suggest things for him to try that I think will benefit him.

>> (I'm open to tips from the guys here.) (And it's not like I'm trying to

>> fix him or make him be something he's not, it's things like wearing a

>> seatbelt, seeing a chiropractor for chronic back pain, getting his eyes

>> checked after 5 years of not getting them checked and getting new

>> glasses so he can see, stuff like that.)

>>

>> Personally I don't think my boyfriend needs the psych meds. I think he

>> just needed help in learning to deal with his painful emotions and then

>> he would have been fine. Now he has very few emotions and hardly any

>> sex drive at all. However, at bedtime shortly after he takes his night

>> time meds, he seems very aroused, attempts to be sexual with me (in his

>> drugged up state) in ways that aren't always pleasant (one time it was

>> blissful though), then awakes in the morning with absolutely no memory

>> of what happened. When I tried to talk to him about what we did last

>> night after the first time, he thought I was joking. He was upset when

>> he learned that he didn't get to experience the one time that was

>> blissful. Once I realized that he was just being sexual in a drugged up

>> state, I started turning him down when he would try to be sexual with me

>> after he's had his bedtime meds because then it felt like I was taking

>> advantage of him. I've been telling him about his attempts the

>> following morning and he has no memory of his attempts or of my

>> turndowns. He's always very surprised to learn of the experiences.

>>

>> He rarely tries to be sexual with me otherwise. He told me he had a

>> very strong sex drive before the meds. He's decreasing the Effexor and

>> increasing the Wellbutrin and keeps teasing me about how wild he will be

>> once he gets the meds changed to the point that his sex drive will be

>> back. I'm looking forward to that. The waiting is hard because it's a

>> challenge to keep from feeling undesireable. But I am being patient.

>>

>> the Dreamer

>>

>> > ,

>> >

>> > I don't really know what Prozac does specifically. What was

>> > interesting with me is that while I was on it, I didn't have any lows

>> > at all. I was high as a kite the whole time. I went out dancing

>> > probably 3 or 4 times a week (not drinking hardly at all...just

>> > dancing), took up drawing and painting, became a clean freak in the

>> > house, threw parties frequently. I lost weight because I was rarely

>> > hungry and moving all the time. I was a ball of energy. Before that

>> > I was a normal energetic person. I weighed a normal 130 pounds on a

>> > 5'5 " frame. Prior to my break up I had pretty normal highs and lows.

>> > I was balanced. I also had very intense orgasms and my sex drive was

>> > normal.

>> >

>> > On Prozac, even though I was so perky all of the time, I had no

>> > feeling during self stimulation or sex. Everything was numb. I was

>> > totally frustrated. So I went cold turkey off Prozac...huge mistake.

>> > I woke up in pools of sweat every night for several months after

>> > that. There was so much sweat, I had to change my sheets every

>> > single night in the middle of the night. My sex drive and response

>> > remained numb and the rest of my body went crazy. I lost my ability

>> > to " see " artistically (the random gift I had while on Prozac), and

>> > everything else that felt good while on Prozac disappeared too, but

>> > the one reason why I went off of it remained unchanged....no sexual

>> > response. I would love to know what it does too...obviously it

>> > changes your inner workings permanently (without some sort of therapy

>> > to recover). I wasn't willing to wait for natural recovery. I had

>> > already been waiting 2 years at a time in my life when it really

>> > mattered. I mean I was unmarried and in my late twenties and I felt

>> > like any relationship I might try to enter would be doomed because I

>> > couldn't imagine a boyfriend being able to handle my lack of response

>> > or my wanting to continue with sex for hours on end hoping something

>> > magic would happen. In fact I didn't relax into normal relationship

>> > patterns again until after I knew I could function sexually. It was

>> > just too hard otherwise.

>> >

>> > Holly

>> >

>> > the Dreamer <unique@... <unique%40visi.com>> wrote: I'd be

>> interested in

>> > knowing specifically what prozac does to the body and whether full

>> > recovery is possible. I had the same issue of not having as much

>> > intensity after getting off of prozac as I had before I was on

>> > prozac. Prozac flattened me in every way, all my ups and downs were

>> > gone and I hated it. It totally killed my sex drive. My sex drive is

>> > better now, but the intensity never did come back. I was on prozac in

>> > the early 90's, I think.

>> >

>> > I recently completely weaned myself off of Lexapro completely. That's

>> > going okay so far. I used the method described by The Road Back

>> > (http://theroadback.org).

>> >

>> > Now I'm working on losing all the weight I gained while being on

>> > Lexapro.

>> >

>> > the Dreamer

>> >

>> >> I have seen so far that this group is composed of mainly men, but I

>> >> thought I might have something to add here. I went on Prozac after

>> >> breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago. First of all, I should

>> >> have never been prescibed an SSRI for depression that was obviously

>> >> caused by a trigger event and my reaction to this event was what I

>> >> would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I completely lost

>> >> sensation after taking them and was so frustrated that I went off

>> >> them four months later and went through a menopausal time in my

>> >> life at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course had no response

>> >> still. I saw doc after doc and they all told me it was in my head

>> >> UNTIL I saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different philosophy

>> >> than most US doctors. He really listened and made it a mission to

>> >> help me. I did all the hormone tests and ended up going on HRT. I

>> >> took three hormones in cream form (estrogen, progesterone, and

>> >> testosterone). I continued this treatment for about 8 months before

>> >> I saw noticeable improvement. I continued taking the hormones for

>> >> about 2 years. I regained most of my sexual response, but I never

>> >> got back to the really powerful sensations I had become accustomed

>> >> to prior to the whole mess. I continued the testosterone longer

>> >> than the other hormones as it seemed to have the most effect on my

>> >> sexual response. The other two were to get me back to a regular

>> >> cycle, etc. My biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused myself to

>> >> knock out my reproductive system altogether and that I wouldn't be

>> >> able to get pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months pregnant

>> >> with my first child right now, so I guess everything is fine. And

>> >> this is after a period in my life where I went without a period for

>> >> almost a year and thought I was in early menopause forever!!!! So,

>> >> I guess I am thinking things can get better, but I don't know that

>> >> it would have happened for me if I hadn't found that one doctor

>> >> with a different perspective who really wanted me to get better and

>> >> talked with me very openly about what was happening with my body

>> >> specifically.

>> >>

>> >> Holly

>> >>

>> >

>>

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October 19, 2006

Hypnosis can help. It requires a competant hypnotist

trained specifically in " how " to work with it.

When I work with Hypnosis clients for ED, I find that

the low libido that occurred because of the meds

became tied to getting over the depression/sleep

issues/anxiety/ fear/worry/ etc. theat the meds were

used for. When the meds stopped, the low libido

turned out to be a learned response to NOT having the

other stuff.

In my professional opinion as a hypnotist (I am not a

doctor) and based on what I've seen and accomplished

with non-organic ED clients (plumbing is intact) and

my sources of instruction on technique - who reported

99%+ success rate on thousands of similar type clients

(compared to my 23/24 for ED overall - My only failure

was client that had a prostatectomy. The hypnosis did

not work with him because he had an " organic " cause to

his ED. During the prostatectomy (malignant; size of

an orange when removed), several critical nerves were

cut.), non-organic ED is easily corrected. By easy,

it may take 5 minutes in my hypnosis chair or it may

take several sessions. Some clients have a few more

things related to the ED than others.

The most session time any of my clients took after

" starting on the ED 3 hours (two sessions; Client had

a total of 6 sessions; the ED work started in the 4TH

session because that issue came up as part of the

stroke recovery). The man was 77 (he is 78 now). He

was on heavy meds for depression and coumadin and

other meds to treat him for his stroke from 2001 (his

left side was 90% paralyzed). His report was that he

had not had an orgasm in over 20 years. I was

initially working with him to relieve stress and

issues related to his constant crying from several

traumatic war experiences and relieve the stress to

help him get more recovery from the stroke. The ED

help/request came up as part of his stroke recovery.

I worked with the stress and issues related to that

and tied it to when he could make a fist (with left

hand; he had not been able make a fist with his left

hand since the stroke; left hand HAD been 100%

paralyzed) that would signal that he was recovering

and his wife would assist him when he played my " Wet

Dream: Movie Star " CD for assistance with arousal.

Less than a week after that 5th session (second for

ED; other stuff covered also), I received a report

that he had an erection and orgasm.

There are very few barriers to success, but they can

be addressed in session.

Can I guarantee that it will work for everybody in one

session? No because once you leave the office, I have

no influence on the other factors in life situations.

I do make allowances for them but sometimes followup

is still necessary.

Mims, CHt

Panaceaproject.com Home of: " Stress Free Sleep:

Comprehensive Self Improvement "

--- Steve wrote:

> Thanks Holly. This is very interesting. If SSRI

> are damaging and changing

> the gene expression, you would expect to see the

> problem while being on the

> medication. Many experience low libido, and other

> sexual dysfunction while

> being on medication, but many recover their libido

> after quiting. Perhaps,

> the damage is done when you get off and how you get

> off of it. And many

> Drs, are not stressing this issue. Situation is

> worst for those with poor

> metabolizing liver. Drs, in my case, thought, I

> would be fine coming of

> 37mg Effexor.

>

> -Steve

>

> On 10/10/06, Holly Spencer

> wrote:

> >

> > Oh I think there is definitely more of an issue

> stopping clod turkey.

> > I know I wasn't supposed to, but I felt so

> desparate that I just did it

> > anyway. I went through the menopause period,

> sweats, etc after going off of

> > Prozac. The sexual response issue was a problem

> both while I was taking it

> > and afterwards.

> >

> > Holly

> >

> > *Steve * wrote:

> >

> > Hi Holly:

> >

> > Thanks againf or sharing your experience. I have

> one question for you.

> > Did you start your menopause while you were on

> pozac, or after you stop cold

> > turkey? The reason I am asking is in my case, I

> did not have problem with

> > erection while being on Paxil, and after I quit

> Paxil, I experience a period

> > where both my Libido and Erections were good, but

> then down the hill. I am

> > wondering if the SSRI is more damaging when you

> stop cold turkey. (Just to

> > be clear, I am not advocating for people to

> continue with SSRI, and there is

> > no PSSD, or I am promoting the drugs :-) Maybe,

> in case of many of us who

> > stopped the SSRI very quickly, there were more

> damage (or gene expression)

> > were done.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > On 10/9/06, Holly Spencer

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I don't really know what Prozac does

> specifically. What was interesting

> > > with me is that while I was on it, I didn't have

> any lows at all. I was

> > > high as a kite the whole time. I went out

> dancing probably 3 or 4 times a

> > > week (not drinking hardly at all...just

> dancing), took up drawing and

> > > painting, became a clean freak in the house,

> threw parties frequently. I

> > > lost weight because I was rarely hungry and

> moving all the time. I was a

> > > ball of energy. Before that I was a normal

> energetic person. I weighed a

> > > normal 130 pounds on a 5'5 " frame. Prior to my

> break up I had pretty normal

> > > highs and lows. I was balanced. I also had

> very intense orgasms and my sex

> > > drive was normal.

> > >

> > > On Prozac, even though I was so perky all of the

> time, I had no feeling

> > > during self stimulation or sex. Everything was

> numb. I was totally

> > > frustrated. So I went cold turkey off

> Prozac...huge mistake. I woke up in

> > > pools of sweat every night for several months

> after that. There was so much

> > > sweat, I had to change my sheets every single

> night in the middle of the

> > > night. My sex drive and response remained numb

> and the rest of my body went

> > > crazy. I lost my ability to " see " artistically

> (the random gift I had while

> > > on Prozac), and everything else that felt good

> while on Prozac disappeared

> > > too, but the one reason why I went off of it

> remained unchanged....no sexual

> > > response. I would love to know what it does

> too...obviously it changes your

> > > inner workings permanently (without some sort of

> therapy to recover). I

> > > wasn't willing to wait for natural recovery. I

> had already been waiting 2

> > > years at a time in my life when it really

> mattered. I mean I was unmarried

> > > and in my late twenties and I felt like any

> relationship I might try to

> > > enter would be doomed because I couldn't imagine

> a boyfriend being able to

> > > handle my lack of response or my wanting to

> continue with sex for hours on

> > > end hoping something magic would happen. In

> fact I didn't relax into normal

> > > relationship patterns again until after I knew I

> could function sexually.

> > > It was just too hard otherwise.

> > >

> > > Holly

> > >

> > > * the Dreamer * wrote:

> > >

> > > I'd be interested in knowing specifically what

> prozac does to the body

> > > and whether full recovery is possible. I had the

> same issue of not

> > > having as much intensity after getting off of

> prozac as I had before I

> > > was on prozac. Prozac flattened me in every way,

> all my ups and downs

> > > were gone and I hated it. It totally killed my

> sex drive. My sex drive

> > > is better now, but the intensity never did come

> back. I was on prozac

> > > in the early 90's, I think.

> > >

> > > I recently completely weaned myself off of

> Lexapro completely. That's

> > > going okay so far. I used the method described

> by The Road Back

> > > ( http://theroadback.org).

> > >

> > > Now I'm working on losing all the weight I

> gained while being on

> > > Lexapro.

> > >

> > > the Dreamer

> > >

> > > > I have seen so far that this group is composed

> of mainly men, but I

> > > > thought I might have something to add here. I

> went on Prozac after

> > > > breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago.

> First of all, I should

> > > > have never been prescibed an SSRI for

> depression that was obviously

> > > > caused by a trigger event and my reaction to

> this event was what I

> > > > would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I

> completely lost

> > > > sensation after taking them and was so

> frustrated that I went off

> > > > them four months later and went through a

> menopausal time in my life

> > > > at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course

> had no response still.

> > > > I saw doc after doc and they all told me it

> was in my head UNTIL I

> > > > saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different

> philosophy than most US

> > > > doctors. He really listened and made it a

> mission to help me. I did

> > > > all the hormone tests and ended up going on

> HRT. I took three

> > > > hormones in cream form (estrogen,

> progesterone, and testosterone). I

> > > > continued this treatment for about 8 months

> before I saw noticeable

> > > > improvement. I continued taking the hormones

> for about 2 years. I

> > > > regained most of my sexual response, but I

> never got back to the

> > > > really powerful sensations I had become

> accustomed to prior to the

> > > > whole mess. I continued the testosterone

> longer than the other

> > > > hormones as it seemed to have the most effect

> on my sexual response.

> > > > The other two were to get me back to a regular

> cycle, etc. My

> > > > biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused

> myself to knock out my

> > > > reproductive system altogether and that I

> wouldn't be able to get

> > > > pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months

> pregnant with my first

> > > > child right now, so I guess everything is

> fine. And this is after a

> > > > period in my life where I went without a

> period for almost a year and

> > > > thought I was in early menopause forever!!!!

> So, I guess I am

> > > > thinking things can get better, but I don't

> know that it would have

> > > > happened for me if I hadn't found that one

> doctor with a different

> > > > perspective who really wanted me to get better

> and talked with me

> > > > very openly about what was happening with my

> body specifically.

> > > >

> > > > Holly

> > > >

> > >

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__________________________________________________

October 19, 2006

I'm sure here is on the level. But my sexual dysfunction

occurs with or without stress, and I've tried hypnosis. Didn't do

anything.

-Warren

> > > >

> > > > > I have seen so far that this group is composed

> > of mainly men, but I

> > > > > thought I might have something to add here. I

> > went on Prozac after

> > > > > breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago.

> > First of all, I should

> > > > > have never been prescibed an SSRI for

> > depression that was obviously

> > > > > caused by a trigger event and my reaction to

> > this event was what I

> > > > > would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I

> > completely lost

> > > > > sensation after taking them and was so

> > frustrated that I went off

> > > > > them four months later and went through a

> > menopausal time in my life

> > > > > at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course

> > had no response still.

> > > > > I saw doc after doc and they all told me it

> > was in my head UNTIL I

> > > > > saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different

> > philosophy than most US

> > > > > doctors. He really listened and made it a

> > mission to help me. I did

> > > > > all the hormone tests and ended up going on

> > HRT. I took three

> > > > > hormones in cream form (estrogen,

> > progesterone, and testosterone). I

> > > > > continued this treatment for about 8 months

> > before I saw noticeable

> > > > > improvement. I continued taking the hormones

> > for about 2 years. I

> > > > > regained most of my sexual response, but I

> > never got back to the

> > > > > really powerful sensations I had become

> > accustomed to prior to the

> > > > > whole mess. I continued the testosterone

> > longer than the other

> > > > > hormones as it seemed to have the most effect

> > on my sexual response.

> > > > > The other two were to get me back to a regular

> > cycle, etc. My

> > > > > biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused

> > myself to knock out my

> > > > > reproductive system altogether and that I

> > wouldn't be able to get

> > > > > pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months

> > pregnant with my first

> > > > > child right now, so I guess everything is

> > fine. And this is after a

> > > > > period in my life where I went without a

> > period for almost a year and

> > > > > thought I was in early menopause forever!!!!

> > So, I guess I am

> > > > > thinking things can get better, but I don't

> > know that it would have

> > > > > happened for me if I hadn't found that one

> > doctor with a different

> > > > > perspective who really wanted me to get better

> > and talked with me

> > > > > very openly about what was happening with my

> > body specifically.

> > > > >

> > > > > Holly

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

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> >

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> __________________________________________________

>

October 19, 2006

I too have tried hypnosis to try and fix the mess that was caused by psychiatric medication. Unfortunately, it did nothing for me. jwarrent1 wrote: I'm sure here is on the level. But my sexual dysfunction occurs with or without stress, and I've tried hypnosis. Didn't do anything.-Warren> > > >> > > >

> I have seen so far that this group is composed> > of mainly men, but I> > > > > thought I might have something to add here. I> > went on Prozac after> > > > > breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago.> > First of all, I should> > > > > have never been prescibed an SSRI for> > depression that was obviously> > > > > caused by a trigger event and my reaction to> > this event was what I> > > > > would consider normal....I was sad. Anyway, I> > completely lost> > > > > sensation after taking them and was so> > frustrated that I went off> > > > > them four months later and went through a> > menopausal time in my life> > > > > at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of course> > had no response still.> > > > > I saw doc

after doc and they all told me it> > was in my head UNTIL I> > > > > saw a doctor from Sweden that had a different> > philosophy than most US> > > > > doctors. He really listened and made it a> > mission to help me. I did> > > > > all the hormone tests and ended up going on> > HRT. I took three> > > > > hormones in cream form (estrogen,> > progesterone, and testosterone). I> > > > > continued this treatment for about 8 months> > before I saw noticeable> > > > > improvement. I continued taking the hormones> > for about 2 years. I> > > > > regained most of my sexual response, but I> > never got back to the> > > > > really powerful sensations I had become> > accustomed to prior to the> > > > > whole mess. I

continued the testosterone> > longer than the other> > > > > hormones as it seemed to have the most effect> > on my sexual response.> > > > > The other two were to get me back to a regular> > cycle, etc. My> > > > > biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused> > myself to knock out my> > > > > reproductive system altogether and that I> > wouldn't be able to get> > > > > pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6 months> > pregnant with my first> > > > > child right now, so I guess everything is> > fine. And this is after a> > > > > period in my life where I went without a> > period for almost a year and> > > > > thought I was in early menopause forever!!!!> > So, I guess I am> > > > > thinking things can get better, but I

don't> > know that it would have> > > > > happened for me if I hadn't found that one> > doctor with a different> > > > > perspective who really wanted me to get better> > and talked with me> > > > > very openly about what was happening with my> > body specifically.> > > > >> > > > > Holly> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Do you Yahoo!?> > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo!> > Mail.> > > >> >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta>> > > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------> > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr.> > We'll help. Yahoo! Small> > >> >> Business<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41244/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/>.> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > __________________________________________________>

October 19, 2006

Read your statement again:

" ...my sexual dysfunction... "

There's a clue there.

You are so proud of it you claim it like you own it.

You must be ready to give up ownership for anything to

work.

How do you know you weren't hypnotized?

Either YOU did the guidance or not. You made that

choice.

It is the client's failure when they don't do the

guidance. It is the hypnotist's failure, if the

hypnotist doesn't recognize the progress and modify

and try different techniques until he gets the goal

results. 98% of medical and psychology hypnotists fall

in this category of poor technique in my experience.

I am the type of hypnotist that the Psychiatrists and

Psychologists have attempted to monopolize out of

business because Fast results eliminate their annuity

payments (cost them A LOT of $$$$$).

e.g. Is it in the doctor's or medical industry

interest for a cancer patient sent home to hospice

care to be comfortable and pain free? or, to go

spontaneously into remission and not require$70,000

worth of chemo therapy. That's the extreme end but

you get the point.

I build my practice with fast results because since I

am not a doctor, I do not receive insurance payments.

My clients need fast conclusive results not a long

drawn out management process.

**********

Natural recovery is Easy when you are willing to take

the steps and experience the corrective actions

necessary to achieve it. It can be done without going

through any traumatic experiences. That is what I do

and that is what the CD does.

I find a lot of people prefer to wallow in their

problems and deny they can be helped rather than try

something to get there.

Its just like many people having a heart attack will

deny it until they are dead. If you don't believe

that, ask the Heart Association or Red Cross. Take a

CPR class.

The CD is WAYYY more than just stress relief.

It includes management for anger, fears, worries,

guilt, procrastination, sadness, grief, anxiousness,

and much more.

The project title - " Panacea " - has proven very

appropriate. I have been testing and " strengthening

it for over 4 years. I just fully released it 2

months ago.

I have had several people (whose doctor told them they

would be on Effexor for life) who listened. Their

doctors eventually weaned them off all depression

meds. I had similar reports from some bipolar

listeners (no comments on the meds, just that they

were much better). Others have remarked how their

migraines became extremely rare.

Did the CD do it? I don't know but I have over 200

reports of similar " coincidences " of problems

improving or disappearing " naturally. "

The hypnotist opens the door you still have to go

through it. They can't " make " you do it.

****************

For your hypnosis, What type of induction (relaxation,

long drawn out, quick/ 5 sec, 1 min, 5 min, 20 min,

etc)?

How did they try to correct it? (script, talk it out,

regression, etc)?

The hypnotist is just the guide. If he/she doesn't

know what to look for and how to look for it

EFFECTIVELY it will not work. If they suggest it will

take more than 1 or 2 sessions, they haven't been

properly trained for correcting ED or hypnosis for

that matter -- IMHO.

***************

I made an offer several months ago (last year?) for

volunteers. It still stands for several volunteers.

Email me offlist to make arrangements.

If you can make Columbia, SC, that option is

available. If you can only work on phone, we can test

that too. Limit 5 people for office and phone total.

I know how the CD's work so they are not up for test.

They are not specific to ED but I have had a few

specific reports. If you have a specific challenge

for the CD, email me offlist and I'll see what I can

do.

Any takers?

The Catch? I expect anyone who participates to report

good or bad for the benefit of the community.

Deadline to sign up for participation is Oct 31, 2006.

I walk my talk.

Mims, CHt

Panaceaproject.com Home of: " Stress Free Sleep &

Comprehensive Self Improvement "

--- jwarrent1 wrote:

> I'm sure here is on the level. But my sexual

> dysfunction

> occurs with or without stress, and I've tried

> hypnosis. Didn't do

> anything.

>

> -Warren

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen so far that this group is

> composed

> > > of mainly men, but I

> > > > > > thought I might have something to add

> here. I

> > > went on Prozac after

> > > > > > breaking up with a boyfriend 7 years ago.

> > > First of all, I should

> > > > > > have never been prescibed an SSRI for

> > > depression that was obviously

> > > > > > caused by a trigger event and my reaction

> to

> > > this event was what I

> > > > > > would consider normal....I was sad.

> Anyway, I

> > > completely lost

> > > > > > sensation after taking them and was so

> > > frustrated that I went off

> > > > > > them four months later and went through a

> > > menopausal time in my life

> > > > > > at the ripe old age of 26!!! Then I of

> course

> > > had no response still.

> > > > > > I saw doc after doc and they all told me

> it

> > > was in my head UNTIL I

> > > > > > saw a doctor from Sweden that had a

> different

> > > philosophy than most US

> > > > > > doctors. He really listened and made it a

> > > mission to help me. I did

> > > > > > all the hormone tests and ended up going

> on

> > > HRT. I took three

> > > > > > hormones in cream form (estrogen,

> > > progesterone, and testosterone). I

> > > > > > continued this treatment for about 8

> months

> > > before I saw noticeable

> > > > > > improvement. I continued taking the

> hormones

> > > for about 2 years. I

> > > > > > regained most of my sexual response, but I

> > > never got back to the

> > > > > > really powerful sensations I had become

> > > accustomed to prior to the

> > > > > > whole mess. I continued the testosterone

> > > longer than the other

> > > > > > hormones as it seemed to have the most

> effect

> > > on my sexual response.

> > > > > > The other two were to get me back to a

> regular

> > > cycle, etc. My

> > > > > > biggest fear is that perhaps I had caused

> > > myself to knock out my

> > > > > > reproductive system altogether and that I

> > > wouldn't be able to get

> > > > > > pregnant some day...BUT I am almost 6

> months

> > > pregnant with my first

> > > > > > child right now, so I guess everything is

> > > fine. And this is after a

> > > > > > period in my life where I went without a

> > > period for almost a year and

> > > > > > thought I was in early menopause

> forever!!!!

> > > So, I guess I am

> > > > > > thinking things can get better, but I

> don't

> > > know that it would have

> > > > > > happened for me if I hadn't found that one

> > > doctor with a different

> > > > > > perspective who really wanted me to get

> better

> > > and talked with me

> > > > > > very openly about what was happening with

> my

> > > body specifically.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Holly

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?

> > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo!

> > > Mail.

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

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