Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like yeast when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the rest of us are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I find that unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a report too that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her up she found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who only had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really are? She is also the second person that has been under the impression that the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 I wasn't treated during my surgery, but I was treated with diflucan before and after....for months at a time. -Shirl- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 My comments were not specific for any one person . I do not wish to engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical experience which is also the similar experience of other doctors treating these patients. . ----- Original Message ----- From: <cjheer@...> < > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Dr Kolb > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like yeast > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the rest of us > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I find that > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a report too > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her up she > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who only > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really are? > She is also the second person that has been under the impression that > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied to. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 They are connected via an immune problem with infections such as yeast and mycoplasma as well as viruses and other bacteria overgrowing. Scleroderma has been connected to mycoplasma. It appears that the vast majority of patients have systemic yeast and if not treated in the perioperative period tends to make patients very ill. Were you treated with a systemic antifungals during your explantation? . ----- Original Message ----- From: <cjheer@...> < > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything with you, > I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just curious about > the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came across > wrong. > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > My comments were not specific for any one person . I do not > wish to > > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical experience > which is > > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these > patients. > > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > < @y...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like yeast > > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the rest of > us > > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I find > that > > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a report > too > > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her up > she > > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who > only > > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really > are? > > > She is also the second person that has been under the impression > that > > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything with you, I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just curious about the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came across wrong. In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > My comments were not specific for any one person . I do not wish to > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical experience which is > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these patients. > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cjheer@i...> > < @y...> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like yeast > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the rest of us > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I find that > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a report too > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her up she > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who only > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really are? > > She is also the second person that has been under the impression that > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied to. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Nope I never took any antifungals after explant. I did do a strict yeast type diet when I had the implants, and did a few days of Diflucan followed by some nystatin for a couple of months prior to explant. I never really noticed much difference in my brain fog till probably the last 5 or 6 months. I have had my implants out almost a year(one year Decemeber 7th) and my brain fog is pretty much gone, but I do still have allot of pain in my feet. I find that working out seems to help me immensely. I also take plaquenil for my elevated ana and mctd diagnosis, do you think Plaquenil could have anti fungal properties to it, as it is an anti malerial drug? Thanks, In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > They are connected via an immune problem with infections such as yeast and > mycoplasma as well as viruses and other bacteria overgrowing. Scleroderma > has been connected to mycoplasma. It appears that the vast majority of > patients have systemic yeast and if not treated in the perioperative period > tends to make patients very ill. Were you treated with a systemic > antifungals during your explantation? . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cjheer@i...> > < @y...> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything with you, > > I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just curious about > > the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came across > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > My comments were not specific for any one person . I do not > > wish to > > > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical experience > > which is > > > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these > > patients. > > > . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > < @y...> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > > > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like yeast > > > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the rest of > > us > > > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I find > > that > > > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a report > > too > > > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her up > > she > > > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who > > only > > > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > > > > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really > > are? > > > > She is also the second person that has been under the impression > > that > > > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Yeast can become resistant to a particular antibiotic. This can be tested by certain lab tests. Was this ever done? . ----- Original Message ----- From: shg713@... Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Re: Dr Kolb I wasn't treated during my surgery, but I was treated with diflucan before and after....for months at a time.-Shirl- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Have you tried lipoic acid for your foot pain? . ----- Original Message ----- From: <cjheer@...> < > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > Nope I never took any antifungals after explant. I did do a strict > yeast type diet when I had the implants, and did a few days of > Diflucan followed by some nystatin for a couple of months prior to > explant. I never really noticed much difference in my brain fog till > probably the last 5 or 6 months. I have had my implants out almost a > year(one year Decemeber 7th) and my brain fog is pretty much gone, > but I do still have allot of pain in my feet. I find that working out > seems to help me immensely. I also take plaquenil for my elevated ana > and mctd diagnosis, do you think Plaquenil could have anti fungal > properties to it, as it is an anti malerial drug? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > They are connected via an immune problem with infections such as > yeast and > > mycoplasma as well as viruses and other bacteria overgrowing. > Scleroderma > > has been connected to mycoplasma. It appears that the vast > majority of > > patients have systemic yeast and if not treated in the > perioperative period > > tends to make patients very ill. Were you treated with a systemic > > antifungals during your explantation? . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > < @y...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:40 PM > > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything with > you, > > > I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just curious > about > > > the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came > across > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > > My comments were not specific for any one person . I do > not > > > wish to > > > > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical > experience > > > which is > > > > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these > > > patients. > > > > . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > > < @y...> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > > > > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like > yeast > > > > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the > rest of > > > us > > > > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I > find > > > that > > > > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a > report > > > too > > > > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her > up > > > she > > > > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who > > > only > > > > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really > > > are? > > > > > She is also the second person that has been under the > impression > > > that > > > > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 I think I take it but it is in another supplement I take, evening primrose oil, is that the way to take it or should I take it alone? In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > Have you tried lipoic acid for your foot pain? . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cjheer@i...> > < @y...> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > > > Nope I never took any antifungals after explant. I did do a strict > > yeast type diet when I had the implants, and did a few days of > > Diflucan followed by some nystatin for a couple of months prior to > > explant. I never really noticed much difference in my brain fog till > > probably the last 5 or 6 months. I have had my implants out almost a > > year(one year Decemeber 7th) and my brain fog is pretty much gone, > > but I do still have allot of pain in my feet. I find that working out > > seems to help me immensely. I also take plaquenil for my elevated ana > > and mctd diagnosis, do you think Plaquenil could have anti fungal > > properties to it, as it is an anti malerial drug? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > They are connected via an immune problem with infections such as > > yeast and > > > mycoplasma as well as viruses and other bacteria overgrowing. > > Scleroderma > > > has been connected to mycoplasma. It appears that the vast > > majority of > > > patients have systemic yeast and if not treated in the > > perioperative period > > > tends to make patients very ill. Were you treated with a systemic > > > antifungals during your explantation? . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > < @y...> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything with > > you, > > > > I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just curious > > about > > > > the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came > > across > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > > > My comments were not specific for any one person . I do > > not > > > > wish to > > > > > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical > > experience > > > > which is > > > > > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these > > > > patients. > > > > > . > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > > > < @y...> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > > > > > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something like > > yeast > > > > > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the > > rest of > > > > us > > > > > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I > > find > > > > that > > > > > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a > > report > > > > too > > > > > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened her > > up > > > > she > > > > > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in someone who > > > > only > > > > > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely symptomatic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants really > > > > are? > > > > > > She is also the second person that has been under the > > impression > > > > that > > > > > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be lied > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 I recommend 1000 to 2000 mg of lipoic acid a day. I will be posting a sheet on this supplement on the website as soon as I get permission from the author. . ----- Original Message ----- From: <cjheer@...> < > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > I think I take it but it is in another supplement I take, evening > primrose oil, is that the way to take it or should I take it alone? > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > Have you tried lipoic acid for your foot pain? . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > < @y...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > Nope I never took any antifungals after explant. I did do a strict > > > yeast type diet when I had the implants, and did a few days of > > > Diflucan followed by some nystatin for a couple of months prior to > > > explant. I never really noticed much difference in my brain fog > till > > > probably the last 5 or 6 months. I have had my implants out > almost a > > > year(one year Decemeber 7th) and my brain fog is pretty much gone, > > > but I do still have allot of pain in my feet. I find that working > out > > > seems to help me immensely. I also take plaquenil for my elevated > ana > > > and mctd diagnosis, do you think Plaquenil could have anti fungal > > > properties to it, as it is an anti malerial drug? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > > They are connected via an immune problem with infections such as > > > yeast and > > > > mycoplasma as well as viruses and other bacteria overgrowing. > > > Scleroderma > > > > has been connected to mycoplasma. It appears that the vast > > > majority of > > > > patients have systemic yeast and if not treated in the > > > perioperative period > > > > tends to make patients very ill. Were you treated with a > systemic > > > > antifungals during your explantation? . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > > < @y...> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:40 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > > > > i respect your opinions and did not mean to debate anything > with > > > you, > > > > > I guess I may have worded my comments wrong. I was just > curious > > > about > > > > > the yeast and the connection to scleroderma.. Sorry if it came > > > across > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote: > > > > > > My comments were not specific for any one person . I > do > > > not > > > > > wish to > > > > > > engage in a debate with you but am sharing my clinical > > > experience > > > > > which is > > > > > > also the similar experience of other doctors treating these > > > > > patients. > > > > > > . > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <cjheer@i...> > > > > > > < @y...> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:53 AM > > > > > > Subject: Dr Kolb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that Shirls problems are something > like > > > yeast > > > > > > > when she has been diagnosed with sleroderma? How come the > > > rest of > > > > > us > > > > > > > are better and better and Shirl has deteriorated? Yeast? I > > > find > > > > > that > > > > > > > unlikely given her symptoms. Again the girl I know had a > > > report > > > > > too > > > > > > > that said everything was removed and when Dr Feng opened > her > > > up > > > > > she > > > > > > > found thick scar capsules, and again these were in > someone who > > > > > only > > > > > > > had SMOOTH implants for 4 months, was extremely > symptomatic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't that make you question how safe smooth implants > really > > > > > are? > > > > > > > She is also the second person that has been under the > > > impression > > > > > that > > > > > > > the implants were removed with the capsules only to be > lied > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 They may be yellow due to additives to the saline at the time of implantation or due to infection. . ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Dr Kolb Dear : I spoke with my surgeon as you advised and she told me that the fluid in my implants is saline however it is yellow. I am sending them to Dr Blais for further analyzing as I am concerned about why saline would turn yellow. Dr Feng said it is very unusual, but could be contaminated. As a plastic surgeon who does explants do you have an opinion or know of what could cause saline to turn yellow? I am not asking you to analyze my implants just looking for an opinion. The implants are intact and apparently not leaking. They are McGhan style 168 round textured 360cc implants, 1.6 years old. Thank you for any info Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 We also need to wait until after the Dow settlement for groups to be willing to do these studies. . ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Dr Kolb Another major problem is because the public relations blitz orchestrated by Dow has so effectively brainwashed the media, public, and everyone else into believing that implants don't cause disease, it is perceived that we are "beating a dead horse." None of these "other groups" are going to throw away their money on the study of implants. I would love to be proven wrong on this. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Dr Kolb : Study the history of how implants came into use and how the FDA was not regulating medical devices at the time and you will have your answer. I think a major problem is that only the implant companies are doing the saline studies. Other groups need to study the problem. . ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Dr Kolb "Learning why these devices cause immune problems and correcting this is more intelligent. ." wouldn't the intelligent thing be to first study this problem and then when it is resolved use implants, at least for cosmetic purposes. You must remember most of us were not informed that we could get ill from implants, no where once did I know there was this significant risk, I never would have risked my health for big boobs. So we never had a true opportunity to weigh the risks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Re: The difference here is that cigarettes are not beneficial and implants are sometimes the only answer to some reconstructive problems so you have to weigh risks versus benefits. What about the silicone in VP shunts and on pacemakers and other implantable devices for which we have no other substitute. Banning implants is not the answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: These statements are so true! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: Yesterday you posted about how Dr Feng still puts in implants and I wanted to add to you that in my own silly analogy I look at implants just like cigarettes, we all know someone probably who smoked and died from cancer right? And we all know someone probably who smoked till they were 90 and never got cancer, implants are like that in many many ways, not all smokers get sick right away and not all smokers get cancer, some just get bronchitis everyyear or an ugly cough, or bad skin, yellow teeth, age bad, have scratchy voices or loose there vocal chords and some end up with emphysema that kills them slowly over time. Not everyone gets sick a year or two after they start smoking, yet no one disputes the fact that cigarettes are deadly right? It is right there on the side of the box, surgeon generals warning, and yet you can purchase these for around $ 3 bucks at any 7-11, so if you think about it the fact that the government says implants are safe and sells them and they come with lots of warnings, and the fact that PS's still put them in, is just like the fact that they still sell cigarettes, at the corner store, the government is not going to stop people from killing themselves in this country or in most countries, I realize this may seem like a silly analogy but to me there is allot of commonality in this story. Love, PS Alcohol is also proven to cause sclerosis and other liver disease, it too has warnings, so things are not always safe that are legal and acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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