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Joyce,

I'm sorry you had such a poopy day... it happens to all of us and considering how long you've been coping with this you're more than entitled. It sounds like your doctor is a good natured, compassionate human being. I have one of those too and I am blessed.

Andfor the record I would love you even if it wasn't in the rule book Leanne sent me. (LOL, I'm kidding, I'm kidding)

I just got rid of the hospital bed I'd been sleeping in since June. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!! The thing was horrible. God only knows how old the mattress was, it was a lumpy mess. A hospital bed is smaller than a twin bed so even just rolling over from one side to the other is a pain. The only thing I couldn't give up was the ability to adjust the height of the head of my bed. I found a thing called the Mattress Genie (www.mattressgenie.com). It's a plastic air bladder that fits under the mattress and inflates and deflates by remote control. I love it and I'm sleeping in a double size bed, with a good mattress and I'm actually sleeping...miracles do happen!

Joyce, so far I've not felt the need for an anti-depressant. But I'm awfully new at this. My son has been on and off anti-depressants since he was 14. Right now he's off and doing well but he may need one again at some point and I know he'll take it if he needs it. I feel strongly that at a couple of points during his "turbulent" adolesence the meds probably saved his life.

Of course your situation and mine are very different from my sons. His depression is chemically induced and the meds address that biochemical imbalance directly. Our depression is situational, and I'm unclear how the meds can help with that. I did read that "situational" depression can cause the chemical imbalance and then the meds can help anyway. If that's true then it makes sense to try it. You could always try for a few weeks and see how you feel.

Blah, blah, blah I'm getting wordy again. I just wanted to express my love and support. We're here for you and we love you to bits!!

Beth (Fibrotic NSIP 06/06)Draw close. Hold hands. Life is short. God is good.

My Pulmo visit today...

Hi all,

Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and asked how I was doing...I said, "Poopy"..That should have been a warning that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada, yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc. etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't looking into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider that I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is it that I will get infections, duh! I fussed

about no sleep and he suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked for codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.

At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and everything.. .he suggested a psychiatrist. ..! I said NO! He gave me a prescription for Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time to start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it all in.

Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules!

Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

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Joyce...Only you feel badly about "losing it"...others don't. We expect so much of ourselves! Be as good to you as you would be to others who describe this same experience.

I think once in awhile we have to let the steam blow for some relief. No one can hold all this stuff in and deal with all you do indefinitely.

Now. You can feel better and cope better! huh? No? LOL

Please don't say you are weak and useless. That makes the rest of us the same way when we show our human side.

You're right, we have to love each other, it's the rules.

Sher ipf 5-06

My Pulmo visit today...

Hi all,

Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and asked how I was doing...I said, "Poopy"..That should have been a warning that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada, yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc. etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't looking into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider that I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is it that I will get infections, duh! I fuss! ed about no sleep and he suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked for codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.

At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and everything...he suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a prescription for Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time to start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it all in.

Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules!

Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

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Hi Queen, YOU ARE ALLOWED... It must be something to do with the weather. I have been nuts all week. I think would be happy if I went to Tampa for ..Oh a month or so..

of course you'll be here five more years, it's the LAW and you've got Grandbabies to chase around. Let it go, you'll still be the sweet lady we love. Warm Hugs to you.

I do know the anti-depressant will make such a big difference. I have been forgetting the afternoon one so I have been a bear.

Love and Prayers, Peggy 9/04 ipf

Hi all,

Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and asked how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That should have been a warning that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada, yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc. etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't looking into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider that I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is it that I will get infections, duh! I fussed abou

At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and everything...he suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a prescription for Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time to start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it all in.

Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules!

Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

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Joyce ,

I know exactly how you feel. This group is

the best thing that has happened since I was diagnosed. It has answered so many

questions and I know I can vent here without being laughed at.

People who can’t breathe don’t

understand. I understand the weak and useless feeling. I am determined to build

up my strength. We are so depleted physically and emotionally by this disease.

P.F. 4/2006

From: Breathe-Support [mailto:Breathe-Support ] On Behalf Of Sher K Bauman

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006

8:13 PM

To: Breathe-Support

Subject: Re: My

Pulmo visit today...

Joyce...Only you feel badly about

" losing it " ...others don't. We expect so much of ourselves! Be as

good to you as you would be to others who describe this same experience.

I think once in awhile we have to let the

steam blow for some relief. No one can hold all this stuff in and deal with all

you do indefinitely.

Now. You can feel better and cope

better! huh? No? LOL

Please don't say you are weak and

useless. That makes the rest of us the same way when we show our human side.

You're right, we have to love each other,

it's the rules.

Sher ipf 5-06

My Pulmo visit today...

Hi all,

Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today

and when he came in and asked how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That

should have been a warning that he should retreat, but no. He went

through the whole yada, yada, yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I

am sick of doctors, I am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of

being sick....etc. etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the

hospital and then I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and

just sat down and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to

the effect of looking into the face of death every day. He said that I

wasn't looking into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless

I have an infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well,

consider that I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely

is it that I will get infections, duh! I fuss! ed about no sleep and he

suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I

asked for codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing,

etc.

At the end of all this....and it got worse,

tears and everything...he suggested a psychiatrist...! I said

NO! He gave me a prescription for Prozac. I have never taken an

antidepressant. I think it is time to start. I was so embarrassed

that I cried in the car. I usually hold it all in.

Now the doc and you have seen the weak and

useless me! Yuck!

Hugs anyway....you have to still love me,

it's the rules!

Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis

2004

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Joyce,

There are worse things than taking an anti-depressant. I don't know

how anyone in this group could get by without one. Dealing with a

terminal illness on a day to day basis, whether you're the patient or

a caregiver gets to you. I have been on one since my late hubby was

dx with stage IV colon cancer at age 42 in 2003. He will be gone 2

years in Feb. and every time I take one I think that maybe I should

be trying life without them. But, my dad has IPF, and this is not the

right time.

Don't beat yourself up for 'having a meltdown' (that's what I call

it) in front of your doctor. You are entitled to meltdowns. Sometimes

I think that we try to hide our feelings from the doctors, but why? I

think they need to know the whole ball of wax so they can treat

everything. If you are battling depression or anxiety because of your

illness---that can be causing physical effects too. And I think the

Drs. need to know that.

I just want you all to know that I think this group is really

terrific--especially in the fact that it is just one year old. You

have accomplished great things in a years time. When my hubby was dx

with CC, I found a group that is very much like this one. Those

people were my lifeline. Without them, I would have driven Drs. and

nurses nuts with my questions. No matter what the side effects of

chemo or whatever, someone had been there, done that, and had a

remedy. That group has been in existence for several years and has

800+ members worldwide. So, just think what this group might grow

into. The 'feel' of both groups is the same---total support for each

other---encouragement, no judgement, those who excel in doing

research for the benefit of all the members, those who lurk & rarely

post, members with jokes from time to time, caregivers and patients

alike, and most importantly.....a lifeline for all. If anyone has

someone facing a cancer....check out ACOR.org (Association of Cancer

Online Resources) and there are groups for most any type of cancer

under their umbrella........although many of them are not as active

as the Colon Cancer group.

On that note.......just want to remind you all to be aware of colon

cancer screenings. Everyone should have a colonoscopy at age 50, or

earlier if you are at risk or have symptoms. If a family member has

colon cancer, you should be screened at least 10 years before their

age at diagnosis. (If they were 45 at dx, you should be scoped at 35)

Having a flex sig is like have a mammogram of only one breast...so go

for the gusto & have a colonoscopy. Sorry if that bored or offended

anyone, but awareness is part of my mission these days. It's OK--you

can call me a pain in the ass.........some of my friends do! I'd

rather be called that & save someone else going through what my

family has been through.

Now, if someone could just figure out how to screen for

PF.............

Prayers and best wishes to all of you fighting the PF beast. May

God's Grace be with you all.

Sheila, dad Bobby ipf, 9/05?

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and

> asked how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That should have been a

warning

> that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada,

yada,

> yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of

doctors, I

> am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being

sick....etc.

> etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and

then

> I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat

down

> and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of

> looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't

looking

> into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an

> infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider

that

> I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is

it

> that I will get infections, duh! I fussed about no sleep and he

> suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked for

> codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.

>

> At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and

everything...he

> suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a prescription

for

> Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time

to

> start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually

hold it

> all in.

>

> Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

>

> Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules! [8-}]

>

> Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

>

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Just to let you all know, it's sort of the weather, yesterday was a

full moon & that seems to bring out strange behavior. So I guess you

all could blame your 'meltdowns' and weepiness on thatif you want!

lol!

Anyway, hope you all get to do at least one fun thing that you enjoy

every day. Happy Fall Y'All! Fall.....it's the

weather.....it's what I try not to do! lol

Sheila, dad Bobby IPF 9/05? probably much before that

>

> Hi Queen, YOU ARE ALLOWED... It must be something to do with the

weather. I

> have been nuts all week. I think would be happy if I went to

Tampa for

> ..Oh a month or so..

> of course you'll be here five more years, it's the LAW and you've

got

> Grandbabies to chase around. Let it go, you'll still be the sweet

lady we

> love. Warm Hugs to you.

> I do know the anti-depressant will make such a big difference. I

have been

> forgetting the afternoon one so I have been a bear.

> Love and Prayers, Peggy 9/04 ipf

>

> Hi all,

>

> Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in

and asked

> how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That should have been a warning

that he

> should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada,

yada......I

> said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I am sick

of being

> sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc. etc. He

has never

> seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then I blamed it on

> morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down and let me

carry on

> like a nut! I said something to the effect of looking into the

face of

> death every day. He said that I wasn't looking into the face of

death.

> Then proceeded to say that unless I have an infection, etc. etc. I

might

> live five more years. Well, consider that I am immunosuppressed

and unless

> I live in a bubble, how likely is it that I will get infections,

duh! I

> fussed abou

>

> At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and

everything...he

> suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a prescription

for

> Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time

to start.

> I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it

all in.

>

> Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

>

> Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules!

>

> Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

>

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blame it onthe full moon...now that's a good one. lol

jaime EG

> >

> > Hi Queen, YOU ARE ALLOWED... It must be something to do with the

> weather. I

> > have been nuts all week. I think would be happy if I went

to

> Tampa for

> > ..Oh a month or so..

> > of course you'll be here five more years, it's the LAW and

you've

> got

> > Grandbabies to chase around. Let it go, you'll still be the

sweet

> lady we

> > love. Warm Hugs to you.

> > I do know the anti-depressant will make such a big difference. I

> have been

> > forgetting the afternoon one so I have been a bear.

> > Love and Prayers, Peggy 9/04 ipf

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in

> and asked

> > how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That should have been a

warning

> that he

> > should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada,

> yada......I

> > said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I am

sick

> of being

> > sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc. etc. He

> has never

> > seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then I blamed it

on

> > morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down and let

me

> carry on

> > like a nut! I said something to the effect of looking into the

> face of

> > death every day. He said that I wasn't looking into the face of

> death.

> > Then proceeded to say that unless I have an infection, etc. etc.

I

> might

> > live five more years. Well, consider that I am immunosuppressed

> and unless

> > I live in a bubble, how likely is it that I will get infections,

> duh! I

> > fussed abou

> >

> > At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and

> everything...he

> > suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a

prescription

> for

> > Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is

time

> to start.

> > I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it

> all in.

> >

> > Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

> >

> > Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules!

> >

> > Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

> >

>

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Oh Joyce! You poor thing! I read most all of the e-mails since I joined in late Oct 06, but find it so hard to say anything. I just don't know how to react to all of this. But, just know my prayers and thoughts are with each and every one of you. Maybe I will stop my denial of this beast that has taken hold of my precious husband and start participating in finding out how to deal with it. So many of you give such hope, support, knowledge and so much! Please hang in there. God's blessings to all of you! Lori Gasperstrongs_gifts wrote: Joyce,There are worse things than taking an anti-depressant. I don't know how anyone in this group could get by without one. Dealing with a terminal illness on a day to day basis, whether you're the patient or a caregiver gets to you. I have been on one since my late hubby was dx with stage IV colon cancer at age 42 in 2003. He will be gone 2 years in Feb. and every time I take one I think that maybe I should be trying life without them. But, my dad has IPF, and this is not the right time.Don't beat yourself up for 'having a meltdown' (that's what I call it) in front of your doctor. You are entitled to meltdowns. Sometimes I think that we try to hide our feelings from the doctors, but why? I think they need to know the whole ball of wax so they can treat everything.

If you are battling depression or anxiety because of your illness---that can be causing physical effects too. And I think the Drs. need to know that.I just want you all to know that I think this group is really terrific--especially in the fact that it is just one year old. You have accomplished great things in a years time. When my hubby was dx with CC, I found a group that is very much like this one. Those people were my lifeline. Without them, I would have driven Drs. and nurses nuts with my questions. No matter what the side effects of chemo or whatever, someone had been there, done that, and had a remedy. That group has been in existence for several years and has 800+ members worldwide. So, just think what this group might grow into. The 'feel' of both groups is the same---total support for each other---encouragement, no judgement, those who excel in doing research for the benefit of all the members,

those who lurk & rarely post, members with jokes from time to time, caregivers and patients alike, and most importantly.....a lifeline for all. If anyone has someone facing a cancer....check out ACOR.org (Association of Cancer Online Resources) and there are groups for most any type of cancer under their umbrella........although many of them are not as active as the Colon Cancer group.On that note.......just want to remind you all to be aware of colon cancer screenings. Everyone should have a colonoscopy at age 50, or earlier if you are at risk or have symptoms. If a family member has colon cancer, you should be screened at least 10 years before their age at diagnosis. (If they were 45 at dx, you should be scoped at 35)Having a flex sig is like have a mammogram of only one breast...so go for the gusto & have a colonoscopy. Sorry if that bored or offended anyone, but awareness is part of my mission

these days. It's OK--you can call me a pain in the ass.........some of my friends do! I'd rather be called that & save someone else going through what my family has been through.Now, if someone could just figure out how to screen for PF.............Prayers and best wishes to all of you fighting the PF beast. May God's Grace be with you all.Sheila, dad Bobby ipf, 9/05?>> > Hi all,> > Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and> asked how I was doing...I said, "Poopy"..That should have been a warning> that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, yada,> yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of doctors, I> am sick of being sick, sick of

waiting rooms, sick of being sick....etc.> etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and then> I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat down> and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of> looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't looking> into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an> infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider that> I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is it> that I will get infections, duh! I fussed about no sleep and he> suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked for> codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.> > At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and everything...he> suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a

prescription for> Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time to> start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually hold it> all in.> > Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!> > Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules! [8-}]> > Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004>

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Lori,

So glad to have you posting. You can only deny this monster for a while, then he is in your face and you have to deal. Better to be armed for battle! If we can help you do this, we will gladly help.

Hugs, Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004 > >> > > > Hi all,> > > > Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in and> > asked how I was doing...I said, "Poopy"..That should have been a > warning> > that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada, > yada,> > yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of > doctors, I> > am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being > sick....etc.> > etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital and > then> > I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat > down> > and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of> > looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't > looking> > into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have an> > infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well, consider > that> > I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely is > it> > that I will get infections, duh! I fussed about no sleep and he> > suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked for> > codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.> > > > At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and > everything...he> > suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a prescription > for> > Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is time > to> > start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually > hold it> > all in.> > > > Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!> > > > Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules! [8-}]> > > > Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.>

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Hi Sheila

I happen to be going for my third colonoscopy today. This prep has

not been as bad as the first prep. The procedure is not bad since

anesthesia is used. Looking forward to lots of zzzzz's later in the

day.

I agree--father in law dx with colon cancer about 6 months after

major heart attack. Everyone was so concerned about heart, that did

not pay attention to colon. Mets all over the place were discoved

during surgery. I think he died about 3 years later.

Could relate more stories about CA, but that would become redundant.

Personnally I was always concerned about family history of heart

disease and pancreatic cancer. Was shocked when informed of IPF--

never even heard of it before.

have been on antidepressant for many years. This support group is a

wonderful outlet for dealing with a disease that very few people have.

Joyce IPF 3/06

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Well, I went to my pulmonary doc visit today and when he came in

and

> > asked how I was doing...I said, " Poopy " ..That should have been a

> warning

> > that he should retreat, but no. He went through the whole yada,

> yada,

> > yada......I said you know, I am sick of it all, I am sick of

> doctors, I

> > am sick of being sick, sick of waiting rooms, sick of being

> sick....etc.

> > etc. He has never seen the real me....(except in the hospital

and

> then

> > I blamed it on morphine.) Poor guy, he is so sweet, and just sat

> down

> > and let me carry on like a nut! I said something to the effect of

> > looking into the face of death every day. He said that I wasn't

> looking

> > into the face of death. Then proceeded to say that unless I have

an

> > infection, etc. etc. I might live five more years. Well,

consider

> that

> > I am immunosuppressed and unless I live in a bubble, how likely

is

> it

> > that I will get infections, duh! I fussed about no sleep and he

> > suggested a hospital bed. I said NO! no hospital bed. I asked

for

> > codeine cough med, he said NO! It suppresses breathing, etc.

> >

> > At the end of all this....and it got worse, tears and

> everything...he

> > suggested a psychiatrist...! I said NO! He gave me a

prescription

> for

> > Prozac. I have never taken an antidepressant. I think it is

time

> to

> > start. I was so embarrassed that I cried in the car. I usually

> hold it

> > all in.

> >

> > Now the doc and you have seen the weak and useless me! Yuck!

> >

> > Hugs anyway....you have to still love me, it's the rules! [8-}]

> >

> > Joyce PF 1997 Bronchiectasis 2004

> >

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