hypertonic saline

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Tony, there have been quite a few studies regarding the efficacy of

inhaling the higher concentrations of salt and it has been proven with

CF patients who have bronch and other bronch patients that using the

saline (6 to 7% is common here ) will reduce the number of

hospitalisations. During a recent hospitalisation I was inhaling it

four times a day and that seemed to help get up the muck. If you

google hypertonic and CF there is heaps of info.I think most people

are incredulous that something so cheap and easy can do good...the

drug cos.,of course are not promoting it. I have mine made up by the

local chemist for less than $A2 for 500ml. I have heard that in

Britain the little sachets of solution cost the health scheme 5 pounds

each...value adding eh? Cheers Carole

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Thanks for that Carole! I only posted because of the similarity in the

written form between .9% and 9%. I did emphasise that I did not know which

was the correct concentration! I am also aware that homeopathy uses

dilutions which are undetectable and they obviously work for some people -

including Queen II of England! Whichever dilution salt is used

in, my wife thinks it is the answer to a lot of problems. We live and learn!

Tony

hypertonic saline

> Tony, there have been quite a few studies regarding the efficacy of

> inhaling the higher concentrations of salt and it has been proven with

> CF patients who have bronch and other bronch patients that using the

> saline (6 to 7% is common here ) will reduce the number of

> hospitalisations. During a recent hospitalisation I was inhaling it

> four times a day and that seemed to help get up the muck. If you

> google hypertonic and CF there is heaps of info.I think most people

> are incredulous that something so cheap and easy can do good...the

> drug cos.,of course are not promoting it. I have mine made up by the

> local chemist for less than $A2 for 500ml. I have heard that in

> Britain the little sachets of solution cost the health scheme 5 pounds

> each...value adding eh? Cheers Carole

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Sandy when you say ORDINARY saline do you mean 'normal saline, the .9%

dilution? I don't know who told you the hypertonic is dangerous in

nebulizers (if I read you correctly?) but I have been nebbing the 7%

solution under medical supervision for yonks and it is great.

The only real concern is if you have reactive airways and it may cause

spasms which is why they reccommend that it be taken under supervision

for the first time or ventolin used before. I do not have a problem

with this.-Cheers Carole- In bronchiectasis , " sandy

taylor " wrote:

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> Hypertonic saline is a much stronger not diluted saline,.

> With nebulisers saline isn,t dangerous, but you must only use the

ORDINARY

> saline.

> It is sometimes used in ventilators, but that must be under strict

> supervision.

> In nebs, 2-4 ml is the most common dose, and 2 for kids.

> can be used 4 hrly( norm) but no harm done if the need to assist with

> muccous break up, and assisting ventolin to do its work more easily.

> Sandy

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Tony, good on your wife! As for the homeopathy, my theory as to why

that works is that these people are healthy to begin with and 'time

heals all wounds! " Someone once told me if I prayed I would not have

bronch...yeah right!...I'll just get up off my calloused knees and go

have a cough lol. Cheers Carole

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> Thanks for that Carole! I only posted because of the similarity in the

> written form between .9% and 9%. I did emphasise that I did not

know which

> was the correct concentration! I am also aware that homeopathy uses

> dilutions which are undetectable and they obviously work for some

people -

> including Queen II of England! Whichever dilution salt is

used

> in, my wife thinks it is the answer to a lot of problems. We live

and learn!

> Tony

> hypertonic saline

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> > Tony, there have been quite a few studies regarding the efficacy of

> > inhaling the higher concentrations of salt and it has been proven with

> > CF patients who have bronch and other bronch patients that using the

> > saline (6 to 7% is common here ) will reduce the number of

> > hospitalisations. During a recent hospitalisation I was inhaling it

> > four times a day and that seemed to help get up the muck. If you

> > google hypertonic and CF there is heaps of info.I think most people

> > are incredulous that something so cheap and easy can do good...the

> > drug cos.,of course are not promoting it. I have mine made up by the

> > local chemist for less than $A2 for 500ml. I have heard that in

> > Britain the little sachets of solution cost the health scheme 5 pounds

> > each...value adding eh? Cheers Carole

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

When I used hypertonic saline during a hospitalisation

about 7 years ago it did give me a very sore throat

and was hard on my lungs. I actually started to get

worse. My doctor took me off it. I am aware that some

of people with cystic fibrosis also ran into

difficulties with hypertonic saline, as it was causing

them chest problems. I have asthma; many with CF also

have asthma and perhaps are lungs simply can not

tolerate hypertonic saline due to asthma. I am sure it

can help a majority of people with CF and

bronchiectasis as studies have shown. As with most

every treatment, it can cause problems for some.

Hugs:0)

--- Carole wrote:

> Sandy when you say ORDINARY saline do you mean

> 'normal saline, the .9%

> dilution? I don't know who told you the hypertonic

> is dangerous in

> nebulizers (if I read you correctly?)

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Hello, This is from Los Angeles. I recently saw a doctor at UCLA who is much more receptive than my previous pulmonologist (which is great!). During the first visit she determined updated chest ct scan, pulm function study and sputum cultures were needed. I talked to her about the hypertonic saline and she said that the only thing it does is make you cough -- which is the point, right? Well, that and to clear the congestion. She ordered the hypertonic saline for me, but the pharamacy has yet to process the prescription. I need to follow-up. I just wanted to vent a little, because I hear good things in this Group about the hypertonic saline and would like to try it. But the response and lack of encouragement from my doctor about the saline took the wind out of my sails for a bit. I was both happy and disconcerted after seeing my doctor

(recently had my 2nd visit). All my exercising is paying off (I try to get to the gym regularly and have recently taken up cycling). My pulmonary function study shows that my FEV1 volume HAS NOT diminished over the last 5 years! It would have been great to see actual improvement, but I didn't lose any ground, so I'm thankful for that. I hope everyone is doing well today. Kind regards, Tony Lundy wrote: Thanks for that Carole! I only posted because of the similarity in the written form between .9% and 9%. I did emphasise that I did not know which was the correct concentration! I am also aware that homeopathy uses dilutions which are undetectable and they obviously work for some people - including Queen II of England! Whichever dilution salt is used in, my wife thinks it is the answer to a lot of problems. We live and learn! Tony hypertonic saline> Tony, there have been quite a few studies regarding the efficacy of> inhaling the higher concentrations of salt and it has been proven with> CF

patients who have bronch and other bronch patients that using the> saline (6 to 7% is common here ) will reduce the number of> hospitalisations. During a recent hospitalisation I was inhaling it> four times a day and that seemed to help get up the muck. If you> google hypertonic and CF there is heaps of info.I think most people> are incredulous that something so cheap and easy can do good...the> drug cos.,of course are not promoting it. I have mine made up by the> local chemist for less than $A2 for 500ml. I have heard that in> Britain the little sachets of solution cost the health scheme 5 pounds> each...value adding eh? Cheers Carole>>>>>>>>

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Hi in Los Angeles,

I hope that my post did not take the wind out of

anyone's sales. Hypertonic saline was just not a good

treatment for me, but can help others. Sometimes, I

type without using my brain! I am sorry that you

pulmonologist sounded a bit negative towards the

saline. It is worthwhile to try. When possible first

dose or two should be taken if possible in an

outpatient clinic or doctor's office. The reason for

this advice is it can trigger as asthma attack in some

people. At least this was my experience. Everyone is

different however and I agree with you that hypertonic

saline is a worthwhile treatment. Many of my CF

friends (on computer) have said it works well for them

and helps clear their lungs. Your right, coughing and

clearing our lungs so they don't build up secretions

that lead to infections ... well, that's a very good

thing.

Sometimes doctors are negative towards various

treatments or ideas, but it does not mean these

treatments/ideas are a bad thing or useless. Its just

that doctors can sometimes develop their

hard-to-break-through attitudes; until they can see

something work and prove it with their " own " set of

tests, well you get the picture!)

Congratulations on going to the gym and on your PFTs.

Do try the saline. If I could use hypertonic saline, I

would, because it is a big help to many people with

bronch and CF. Interestingly, with all this talk of

saline ... essentially salt water... I find ocean air

can be helpful for my lungs. We often escape the heat

permeating in the Valley by heading towards the

shoreline. Cooler ocean air is much easier on my

breathing.

Best Wishes and Hugs:0)

Liz in Nova Scotia, Canada

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hospital.... and " Give with all your might! "

http://iwkfoundation.org/

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" I don't give in, I don't give up, and I don't take no for an answer. "

~Doris ~

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Hi in Nova Scotia, Thank you for your message and encouragement. I was expressing (more like venting) about how I felt after seeing my doctor. To let you know I wasn't responding to anything you may have posted. Thanks again for your thoughts and I now need to follow-up with the pharmacy. Hope you're having a good day. in L.A. Holt wrote: Hi in

Los Angeles,I hope that my post did not take the wind out ofanyone's sales. Hypertonic saline was just not a goodtreatment for me, but can help others. Sometimes, Itype without using my brain! I am sorry that youpulmonologist sounded a bit negative towards thesaline. It is worthwhile to try. When possible firstdose or two should be taken if possible in anoutpatient clinic or doctor's office. The reason forthis advice is it can trigger as asthma attack in somepeople. At least this was my experience. Everyone isdifferent however and I agree with you that hypertonicsaline is a worthwhile treatment. Many of my CFfriends (on computer) have said it works well for themand helps clear their lungs. Your right, coughing andclearing our lungs so they don't build up secretionsthat lead to infections ... well, that's a very goodthing.Sometimes doctors are negative towards varioustreatments or ideas, but

it does not mean thesetreatments/ideas are a bad thing or useless. Its justthat doctors can sometimes develop theirhard-to-break-through attitudes; until they can seesomething work and prove it with their "own" set oftests, well you get the picture!)Congratulations on going to the gym and on your PFTs. Do try the saline. If I could use hypertonic saline, Iwould, because it is a big help to many people withbronch and CF. Interestingly, with all this talk ofsaline ... essentially salt water... I find ocean aircan be helpful for my lungs. We often escape the heatpermeating in the Valley by heading towards theshoreline. Cooler ocean air is much easier on mybreathing.Best Wishes and Hugs:0) Liz in Nova Scotia, Canadae-mail:maryholt12yahoo (DOT) ca or lungsformaryyahoo (DOT) caPre-Lung

Transplant Journey - For updates please visit my carepage and leave a message. Thank you!:0)carepages.com name:maryelizabethholt:o) "Miracles happen with love....." ..... Please support your local children's hospital.... and "Give with all your might!" http://iwkfoundation.org/ )Visit.... Children's Miracle Network.... http://www.cmn.org/ )"I don't give in, I don't give up, and I don't take no for an answer."~Doris ~__________________________________________________

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Hi in LA,

I posted a lot about saline on my website and have been getting a lot

of positive feedback from people all over the world who are healthier

by following the regime I recommend.

Saline does a LOT MORE than make you cough. I remember when I was a

kid bathing my grazed knees often in warm salt water to KILL THE GERMS

as my mother often said. I does the same in the lungs, kills the bugs,

stops the moulds, softens the mucus.

After decades of western inhaled drugs, cortisone, antifungals like

VFEND and Itraconizole, blood products (intragam), and hell knows what

else, I am now free of everything except a daily dose of ventolin.

This is mixed with saline and inhaled through my Omron NEU22 nebuliser

which goes with me everywhere. I use saline in it and 'bathe' my lungs

frequently. I have NOT HAD a chest infection in 2006. My peak flow has

improved from, 325 to 475.

I ride my bike 50 miles a week at least, and ballroom dance at least

10 hours.

My website has more info http://www.muston.com/html/health.html

Good luck

on the beach in Australia.

> Hi in Los Angeles,

>

> I hope that my post did not take the wind out of

> anyone's sales. Hypertonic saline was just not a good

> treatment for me, but can help others. Sometimes, I

> type without using my brain! I am sorry that you

> pulmonologist sounded a bit negative towards the

> saline. It is worthwhile to try. When possible first

> dose or two should be taken if possible in an

> outpatient clinic or doctor's office. The reason for

> this advice is it can trigger as asthma attack in some

> people. At least this was my experience. Everyone is

> different however and I agree with you that hypertonic

> saline is a worthwhile treatment. Many of my CF

> friends (on computer) have said it works well for them

> and helps clear their lungs. Your right, coughing and

> clearing our lungs so they don't build up secretions

> that lead to infections ... well, that's a very good

> thing.

>

> Sometimes doctors are negative towards various

> treatments or ideas, but it does not mean these

> treatments/ideas are a bad thing or useless. Its just

> that doctors can sometimes develop their

> hard-to-break-through attitudes; until they can see

> something work and prove it with their " own " set of

> tests, well you get the picture!)

>

> Congratulations on going to the gym and on your PFTs.

>

> Do try the saline. If I could use hypertonic saline, I

> would, because it is a big help to many people with

> bronch and CF. Interestingly, with all this talk of

> saline ... essentially salt water... I find ocean air

> can be helpful for my lungs. We often escape the heat

> permeating in the Valley by heading towards the

> shoreline. Cooler ocean air is much easier on my

> breathing.

>

> Best Wishes and Hugs:0)

> Liz in Nova Scotia, Canada

>

> e-mail:maryholt12@... or lungsformary@...

>

> Pre-Lung Transplant Journey - For updates please visit my carepage

and leave a message. Thank you!:0)

> carepages.com name:maryelizabethholt

>

> ) " Miracles happen with love..... " ..... Please support your local

children's hospital.... and " Give with all your might! "

> http://iwkfoundation.org/

> )Visit.... Children's Miracle Network.... http://www.cmn.org/ )

>

> " I don't give in, I don't give up, and I don't take no for an answer. "

> ~Doris ~

>

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