Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Sir, Your suggestion is good in the long run, but many companies may not go for alternative if huge cost is involved. One of our unit requires 1 crore to change the existing AC roof. Safety net is a good option but tying the safety net is a skilled job which consumes time and poses similar height work hazads like AC roof work. (kindly note that I have highlighted this as one of the options in my earlier mail) regards, S. Rabiq Ali B_S_Gopalakrishna@... Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals 30/05/2006 12:11 PM To S Rabiqali cc indiansafetyprofessionals Subject Re: Work on AC roof Dear Rabiqali, The best action is discourage any new building with AC sheet roof . RCC is the best & Coated metal sheet is an option. .Appraise management with case studies of fatal accidents & consequences. Plan & progressively replace all AC sheet roofing with coated Metal sheets.(Insulated also available for reducing noise & heat) Using safety net is effective in preventing fatal accidents on existing roofs in addition to the other safeguards. I trust that this is the right direction. Regards, ___________________________________________________ B S Gopala Krishna Manager - ESH, Mgt. Rep. EMS, ISO 14001/OHSAS 18001, Ingersoll Rand India ltd,Phase 1, Peenya Industrial area, Bangalore 560 058 Tel : - (080) 22192 638, Ext 638, Mobile: 9342 16 18 17 Fax : - (080) 2839 4651, Email : - b_s_gopalakrishna@... ----------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the original message and attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Sir, Tying the wire rope is good, but where is the anchoring point in AC roof? regards, S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 12:31 PM To S Rabiqali cc " Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail) " <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi Work on AC roof Dear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards, S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Rabiqali, The best action is discourage any new building with AC sheet roof . RCC is the best & Coated metal sheet is an option. .Appraise management with case studies of fatal accidents & consequences. Plan & progressively replace all AC sheet roofing with coated Metal sheets.(Insulated also available for reducing noise & heat) Using safety net is effective in preventing fatal accidents on existing roofs in addition to the other safeguards. I trust that this is the right direction. Regards, ___________________________________________________ B S Gopala Krishna Manager - ESH, Mgt. Rep. EMS, ISO 14001/OHSAS 18001, Ingersoll Rand India ltd,Phase 1, Peenya Industrial area, Bangalore 560 058 Tel : - (080) 22192 638, Ext 638, Mobile: 9342 16 18 17 Fax : - (080) 2839 4651, Email : - b_s_gopalakrishna@... ----------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the original message and attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:59 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Work on AC roofDear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards,S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 It is very easily to get the anchor, We are putting AC sheet on the MS channel....this MS support we can use as a anchoring OR if you didn't get then you can put two side MS coloum / derrik & tie-up wire rope inbeteen place and use of retriogard protection system. If any further doubt, please let me know !! regards Devanshu N. Prajajapati -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:09 PMTo: Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofSir, Tying the wire rope is good, but where is the anchoring point in AC roof? regards,S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 12:31 PM To S Rabiqali cc "Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail)" <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:59 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Work on AC roofDear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards,S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Sriram, It can be possible, see the bellow word attachment file, you will get the answer how to change a amid undamage asbestos sheet..... we are current practice this procedure in our factory premises. In our premises, more than 10,000/- SQ.Ft area cover with asbestos sheet and monsoon preventive work is going on. If any further clerification required, please let me know !! regards RE: Work on AC roof ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-*********** Dear Sir, In cases when we have to replace a damaged sheet which is amid undamaged sheets, how to anchor the safety belt ? Your point was for installing new sheets in which case we can anchor on the channel. Regards Sriram From: indiansafetyprofessionals [mailto:indiansafetyprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Devanshu PrajapatiSent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:20 PMTo: S Rabiqali; Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofImportance: High ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-*********** It is very easily to get the anchor, We are putting AC sheet on the MS channel....this MS support we can use as a anchoring OR if you didn't get then you can put two side MS coloum / derrik & tie-up wire rope inbeteen place and use of retriogard protection system. If any further doubt, please let me know !! regards Devanshu N. Prajajapati -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:09 PMTo: Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofSir, Tying the wire rope is good, but where is the anchoring point in AC roof? regards,S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 12:31 PM To S Rabiqali cc "Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail)" <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:59 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Work on AC roofDear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards,S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Sir, Thanks for the prompt response. Request you to clarify the following. 1. This retriogard protection system (presume Retractable fall arrester) how a person will hook to the main life line. This will be fixed permananetly or will be hooked as and when required, since I perceive fall of person while hooking to main line. 2. If persons work on opposite diaganal ends (as shown in the picture) , while moving overlapping will occur. how this issue is addressed? regards, S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 04:10 PM To " Sriramkumar T.N. " , s.rabiqali@... cc " Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail) " <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear Sriram, It can be possible, see the bellow word attachment file, you will get the answer how to change a amid undamage asbestos sheet..... we are current practice this procedure in our factory premises. In our premises, more than 10,000/- SQ.Ft area cover with asbestos sheet and monsoon preventive work is going on. If any further clerification required, please let me know !! regards Work on AC roof Dear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards, S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Clarification/ Addition: Safety belt to be anchored continuously to the line (Am I correct Devanshu ?) 1. Another rope can be tied with the ms pipe/top angle for anchoring belt after reaching to roof at specific opening (as shown in red line) 2. Double life line safety belt should be used (to avoid falling during hooking up or change position to avoid overlapping) 3. A simple MS ladder can be tied to the roof structure parellel to the purlin to which safety belt can be anchored (in case of job of short duration, less worker and for specific point repairing on roof where movement is less) as an user-friendly method. Warm regards, J K Das ( 0261-5582222 / (M) 9879101548 Safety comes in Cans. I can, You can... We can. RE: Work on AC roof ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-***********Dear Sir, In cases when we have to replace a damaged sheet which is amid undamaged sheets, how to anchor the safety belt ? Your point was for installing new sheets in which case we can anchor on the channel. Regards Sriram From: indiansafetyprofessionals [mailto:indiansafetyprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Devanshu PrajapatiSent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:20 PMTo: S Rabiqali; Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofImportance: High ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-***********It is very easily to get the anchor, We are putting AC sheet on the MS channel....this MS support we can use as a anchoring OR if you didn't get then you can put two side MS coloum / derrik & tie-up wire rope inbeteen place and use of retriogard protection system. If any further doubt, please let me know !! regards Devanshu N. Prajajapati -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:09 PMTo: Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofSir, Tying the wire rope is good, but where is the anchoring point in AC roof? regards,S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 12:31 PM To S Rabiqali cc "Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail)" <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:59 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Work on AC roofDear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards,S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear All, A Very fruitful discussion is initiated by Mr Rabiqali. Working at heights is of two categories - One is during project stage Second is during maintenance & renovating stage During project stage it would be well addressed by the respective renowned construction companies who are well equipped. In my experience, L & T had set up a Staircase at both ends which would be assembled at site. For major erections the required cranes were brought. Hence the project went on without such problems. When I moved to another plant, which was laid over by AC sheets, the problem started. Here the contractors are not thoroughly educated about the good construction practices and many contractors worked in one roof. ( The L1 for that particular section would be approved and the lay out will be enjoyed by each manager as per his whims and fancies) Each time accessibility, anchoring were addressed in a different way and each time it was a puzzle. Each time it was a challenge to provide solution within the avaialble resources. Unfortunately I was not able to document that experience. Now a good discussion has started; I propose this forum could develop a Documented procedure with neat sketches and photographs which could be a standard guideline while working over roofs. 1. While going for new constructions the provisions to reach the critical points to be considered 2. While working in the existing old plants, the methods to be developed 3. References to be provided for updating on this subject. Regards Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!! "Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe Acts" Suresh Safety Officer Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division 91-4114-254280 x 2862 e-mail ssuresh5@... Mobile 9840182504 RE: Work on AC roof ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-***********Dear Sir, In cases when we have to replace a damaged sheet which is amid undamaged sheets, how to anchor the safety belt ? Your point was for installing new sheets in which case we can anchor on the channel. Regards Sriram From: indiansafetyprofessionals [mailto:indiansafetyprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Devanshu PrajapatiSent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:20 PMTo: S Rabiqali; Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofImportance: High ***********************This mail has been scanned for virus and no virus found***********-***********It is very easily to get the anchor, We are putting AC sheet on the MS channel....this MS support we can use as a anchoring OR if you didn't get then you can put two side MS coloum / derrik & tie-up wire rope inbeteen place and use of retriogard protection system. If any further doubt, please let me know !! regards Devanshu N. Prajajapati -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:09 PMTo: Devanshu PrajapatiCc: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: RE: Work on AC roofSir, Tying the wire rope is good, but where is the anchoring point in AC roof? regards,S. Rabiq Ali Devanshu Prajapati 30/05/2006 12:31 PM To S Rabiqali cc "Indiansafetyprofessionals (E-mail)" <indiansafetyprofessionals > Subject RE: Work on AC roof Dear S Rabiqali In addition : To tie-up wirerope(GI/SS/MS) inbetween place and use of 10 meter safety belt OR using of retriogard fall protection system which more benificial in work place area and easy to move one place to another place, even contract workmen also like this system. regards Devanshu N. Prajapati Exe.-Safety Micro Inks ltd vapi -----Original Message-----From: S Rabiqali Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:59 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Work on AC roofDear All, As you know work on AC roof is highly risky due to aging of AC roof and becomes brittle. The following conventional safe systems are presently employed. 1. Work permit on AC roof 2. Roof crawl ladder 3. Providing Safety net beneath the work place. 4. Engaging trained work men But you will agree that implementing these sytems consumes more time than the actual work and often it is very difficult to convince the contractor/ engineer to follow these systems. I would like to know any of our safety professional have found a solution/ system to overcome this problem. I prefer user friendly, economic and easy to use systems than the conventional systems. I will share some of the site made simple devices (Not related with this query) which I have implemented and proved to be very useful and effcetive which I will share in subsequent mails. regards,S. Rabiq Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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