Re: Sodium Cocoyl Isothionate vs SLS

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Gosh, I couldn't let this one go by w/o my 10 cents worth, LOL.

Sodium Cocoyl Isotionate may be my favorite surfactant for cleansers,

shampoos, etc. Angie has it available in the " noodle form " as well as the SCI

Pearl, which is a in a paste/creme form. While the latter is less active, it

is

easier to work with...... less time required for melting. Both are extemely

mild, and may be used as the primary surfactant, or a secondary surfactant.

My favorite application is as a creme facial cleanser...... it's thick enough

to package in a jar. I use glycolic acid, jojoba beads, and/or polyester

microscrubbies for chemical as well as mechanical exfoliation. You'll find

this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients, the

formula

can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

Best wishes,

Pam

>

> tried Sodium Cocoyl Isothionate it's a foaming agent,

> coconut derived and apparently 10x milder than SLS.

>

> Check out www.theherbarie.com--Angie has it in " noodle " form. I just got

> some, but haven't tried it yet.

> HTH

> Coral

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Gosh, I couldn't let this one go by w/o my 10 cents worth, LOL.

Sodium Cocoyl Isotionate may be my favorite surfactant for cleansers,

shampoos, etc. Angie has it available in the " noodle form " as well as the SCI

Pearl, which is a in a paste/creme form. While the latter is less active, it

is

easier to work with...... less time required for melting. Both are extemely

mild, and may be used as the primary surfactant, or a secondary surfactant.

My favorite application is as a creme facial cleanser...... it's thick enough

to package in a jar. I use glycolic acid, jojoba beads, and/or polyester

microscrubbies for chemical as well as mechanical exfoliation. You'll find

this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients, the

formula

can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

Best wishes,

Pam

>

> tried Sodium Cocoyl Isothionate it's a foaming agent,

> coconut derived and apparently 10x milder than SLS.

>

> Check out www.theherbarie.com--Angie has it in " noodle " form. I just got

> some, but haven't tried it yet.

> HTH

> Coral

>

[Guest guest]

tried Sodium Cocoyl Isothionate it's a foaming agent,

coconut derived and apparently 10x milder than SLS.

Check out www.theherbarie.com--Angie has it in " noodle " form. I just got

some, but haven't tried it yet.

HTH

Coral

[Guest guest]

this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients,

the formula

can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

Best wishes,

Pam

<<Thanks, Pam, for the info. I'm just getting to shampoos and conditioners

and was looking for a cleansing cream formula it's good to hear when

something works so well.

Coral

[Guest guest]

this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients,

the formula

can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

Best wishes,

Pam

<<Thanks, Pam, for the info. I'm just getting to shampoos and conditioners

and was looking for a cleansing cream formula it's good to hear when

something works so well.

Coral

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/13/03 9:09:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pamingle@... writes:

> Hi,

> Gosh, I couldn't let this one go by w/o my 10 cents worth, LOL.

> Sodium Cocoyl Isotionate may be my favorite surfactant for cleansers,

> shampoos, etc. Angie has it available in the " noodle form " as well as the

> SCI

> Pearl, which is a in a paste/creme form. While the latter is less active,

> it is

> easier to work with...... less time required for melting. Both are extemely

>

> mild, and may be used as the primary surfactant, or a secondary surfactant.

>

>

> My favorite application is as a creme facial cleanser...... it's thick

> enough

> to package in a jar. I use glycolic acid, jojoba beads, and/or polyester

> microscrubbies for chemical as well as mechanical exfoliation. You'll find

>

> this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

> formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients,

> the formula

> can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

>

>

> Best wishes,

> Pam

>

Hi All,

Pam's formula has been a big hit with my customers

Ginger's Thick and Creamy Facial Cleanser

<A

HREF= " http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#GingersCleanser " >http:/\

/www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#GingersCleanser</A>

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate is manufactured in several different physical

forms. It comes in a high active noodle form (SCI Noodles) and also a lower

active

paste form (SCI Pearl) as Pam has mentioned. It also comes in a powdered,

flake and granular physical form. The powdered form is not pleasant to handle,

so we opted to carry the noodle and the paste at The Herbarie.

I will confess that I hated using the SCI Noodles up until recently---I opted

to user the lower active SCI Pearl. Since we have many customers on this

list that purchase the noodles, I'll take this opportunity to share some

additional information about them. The SCI Noodles are economical to use, but

tricky

to melt/dissolve. Most of The Herbarie formulas recommend heating the noodles

with the surfactant/oil phase. I've only recently discovered a better way to

utilize the hard to melt noodles in formulations. Rather than heating the

noodles with other surfactants or oil soluble material, the noodles should be

heated/dissolved into water instead. If the noodles are heated with the

surfactants/oils, they are likely to burn before they ever melt. By

heating/dissolving in water first, they are MUCH easier to utilize in

formulations---it makes

a world of difference! Now, I am back to using the SCI Noodles

Either way, Sodium cocoyl isethionate will make a creamy luxurious shampoo or

body wash. For shampoo or body wash, I prefer combining it with any of our

liquid surfactants or perhaps SMC Taurate. My daughter's favorite shampoo

formula (and I make A LOT of shampoo is this one:

Amy's Favorite Creamy Conditioning Shampoo - This conditioning shampoo is

thick and creamy with a dense, luxurious foam. SCI Pearl (Sodium Cocoyl

Isethionate) and SMC Taurate (Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate) are easy to use and

provide excellent foam and cleansing with mildness. GuarSilk provides superior

conditioning and additional viscosity in this formulation. EmEster (C12-15

alkyl

benzoate) provides sheen and improves wet combing.

Part A

20% SCI Pearl

5% SMC Taurate

1% Conditioning Thickener-crothix

3% Olive Oil Ester

1% Calendula Extract (oil soluble)

1% EmEster

Part B

0.4% GuarSilk

2% Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein

2% Dl Panthenol

64.3% Distilled Water

Part C

0.3% Liquid Germall Plus

100% = Total:

*Fragrance oils or essential oils

Hydrate GuarSilk in room temperature distilled water and blend/mix well. Set

aside. Heat SCI Pearl (surfactant) with SMC Taurate (surfactant) and oil

solubles until Crothix is melted (approximately 175F) while gently stirring.

When GuarSilk is completely hydrated (about 15-20 minutes), combine with

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein and dl panthenol. Heat to around 175F. Slowly add to

Part A

while stirring. Cool down while stirring. Add Liquid Germall Plus eo/fo at

120F or less.

*Fragrance Oils and Essential Oils can have a dramatic effect on surfactant

based systems. Small percentages are recommended (1% or less) They should be

added carefully to a small portion of the shampoo or body wash before adding to

the whole batch. Sometimes using a solubilizer, such as Polysorbate 20 can

help to incorporate the fo/eo into the shampoo.

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate is very mild and is not drying to the skin or hair.

The foam is dense and luscious, rather than big and billowy like the alkyl

sulfates. The toxicology data on this surfactant is excellent as well. It's

nothing like any of the alkyl sulfates.

Let me know if you'd like any additional information

Angie

The Herbarie

Natural Source Ingredients for Toiletries & Cosmetics

<A HREF= " http://www.theherbarie.com " >http://www.theherbarie.com</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/13/03 9:09:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pamingle@... writes:

> Hi,

> Gosh, I couldn't let this one go by w/o my 10 cents worth, LOL.

> Sodium Cocoyl Isotionate may be my favorite surfactant for cleansers,

> shampoos, etc. Angie has it available in the " noodle form " as well as the

> SCI

> Pearl, which is a in a paste/creme form. While the latter is less active,

> it is

> easier to work with...... less time required for melting. Both are extemely

>

> mild, and may be used as the primary surfactant, or a secondary surfactant.

>

>

> My favorite application is as a creme facial cleanser...... it's thick

> enough

> to package in a jar. I use glycolic acid, jojoba beads, and/or polyester

> microscrubbies for chemical as well as mechanical exfoliation. You'll find

>

> this available as " Ginger's Creme Facial Cleanser " (I think, LOL) in the

> formulary. While, I went a bit overkill with the number of ingredients,

> the formula

> can easily be simplified for fewer ingredients).

>

>

> Best wishes,

> Pam

>

Hi All,

Pam's formula has been a big hit with my customers

Ginger's Thick and Creamy Facial Cleanser

<A

HREF= " http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#GingersCleanser " >http:/\

/www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#GingersCleanser</A>

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate is manufactured in several different physical

forms. It comes in a high active noodle form (SCI Noodles) and also a lower

active

paste form (SCI Pearl) as Pam has mentioned. It also comes in a powdered,

flake and granular physical form. The powdered form is not pleasant to handle,

so we opted to carry the noodle and the paste at The Herbarie.

I will confess that I hated using the SCI Noodles up until recently---I opted

to user the lower active SCI Pearl. Since we have many customers on this

list that purchase the noodles, I'll take this opportunity to share some

additional information about them. The SCI Noodles are economical to use, but

tricky

to melt/dissolve. Most of The Herbarie formulas recommend heating the noodles

with the surfactant/oil phase. I've only recently discovered a better way to

utilize the hard to melt noodles in formulations. Rather than heating the

noodles with other surfactants or oil soluble material, the noodles should be

heated/dissolved into water instead. If the noodles are heated with the

surfactants/oils, they are likely to burn before they ever melt. By

heating/dissolving in water first, they are MUCH easier to utilize in

formulations---it makes

a world of difference! Now, I am back to using the SCI Noodles

Either way, Sodium cocoyl isethionate will make a creamy luxurious shampoo or

body wash. For shampoo or body wash, I prefer combining it with any of our

liquid surfactants or perhaps SMC Taurate. My daughter's favorite shampoo

formula (and I make A LOT of shampoo is this one:

Amy's Favorite Creamy Conditioning Shampoo - This conditioning shampoo is

thick and creamy with a dense, luxurious foam. SCI Pearl (Sodium Cocoyl

Isethionate) and SMC Taurate (Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate) are easy to use and

provide excellent foam and cleansing with mildness. GuarSilk provides superior

conditioning and additional viscosity in this formulation. EmEster (C12-15

alkyl

benzoate) provides sheen and improves wet combing.

Part A

20% SCI Pearl

5% SMC Taurate

1% Conditioning Thickener-crothix

3% Olive Oil Ester

1% Calendula Extract (oil soluble)

1% EmEster

Part B

0.4% GuarSilk

2% Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein

2% Dl Panthenol

64.3% Distilled Water

Part C

0.3% Liquid Germall Plus

100% = Total:

*Fragrance oils or essential oils

Hydrate GuarSilk in room temperature distilled water and blend/mix well. Set

aside. Heat SCI Pearl (surfactant) with SMC Taurate (surfactant) and oil

solubles until Crothix is melted (approximately 175F) while gently stirring.

When GuarSilk is completely hydrated (about 15-20 minutes), combine with

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein and dl panthenol. Heat to around 175F. Slowly add to

Part A

while stirring. Cool down while stirring. Add Liquid Germall Plus eo/fo at

120F or less.

*Fragrance Oils and Essential Oils can have a dramatic effect on surfactant

based systems. Small percentages are recommended (1% or less) They should be

added carefully to a small portion of the shampoo or body wash before adding to

the whole batch. Sometimes using a solubilizer, such as Polysorbate 20 can

help to incorporate the fo/eo into the shampoo.

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate is very mild and is not drying to the skin or hair.

The foam is dense and luscious, rather than big and billowy like the alkyl

sulfates. The toxicology data on this surfactant is excellent as well. It's

nothing like any of the alkyl sulfates.

Let me know if you'd like any additional information

Angie

The Herbarie

Natural Source Ingredients for Toiletries & Cosmetics

<A HREF= " http://www.theherbarie.com " >http://www.theherbarie.com</A>