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Sorry, rereading, that was a bit of a whinge, onward and greenward.

Sally

> When I last ventured onto Bad Science, there was a herbal student

> posting there complaining about magical thinking etc, and being

> sympathised with and accepted into the " posse "

>

> I wonder if this was Mel? I have no way of telling as they posted

> under a pseudonym as do all except Ben. It gives them the option as

> to whom they reveal their identity to.

>

> I gave up posting there as I sensed that they were trying to draw me

> out in order to spend the time, they obviously have so much of,

> looking for arguments that would superficially appear to rubbish

> mine. My only concern with Mel's reinstatement is that this may be

> her intention. There is no way of checking this, as there is a

> private " activism " forum, to which I am not subscribed.

>

> Our responses to Mel have been very polite, compared to the reception

> received by anybody foolish enough to venture onto Bad Science and

> speak of any CAM therapist in a manner other than dismissive. (I

> would be very happy to be proven wrong in this.........)

>

> However, if one speaks of fascism to counter an argument, one is

> accused of invoking Godwin's Law and are deemed to have lost the

> argument,

>

> I must go, I have seedlings to water,

>

>

> Sally Owen

>

>

> The activism board is for planning campaigns against us dangerous

> quacks (amongst other things I presume, but attacking complementary

> medicine seems to have brought Ben G a high profile, which he, as

> would most people, obviously enjoys. * We are an easy target to

> attack and thereby build a media profile.)

>

>

>

> * I'd love to be on the News quiz with Hardy, etc, wouldn't

> you?, and it grieves me to see his fine mind being poisoned by the

> anti complementary medicine prejudice so apparent now in the

> intelligent satire field)

>

>

>

>

>

>> I can confirm that Mel was a year behind me in the Herbal Med course

>> at

>> Westminster. I graduated in 2008. I believe she finished the course,

>> but

>> don't know for sure as we weren't personally acquainted.

>>

>>

>>

>> Deborah McDonnell, MCPP, MNIMH

>>

>> H O L I S T I C H E R B A L

>>

>> 14 Leyborne Park

>>

>> Richmond TW9 3HA

>>

>> <http://www.holisticherbal.co.uk/> http://www.holisticherbal.co.uk

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Hi Graham, Helen and Shakeela,

Thanks for your support. It is very nice to be appreciated.

Charlotte

From: Graham White

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:26 PM

To: ukherbal-list

Subject: Re: this list

Hi Charlotte

Nah, you count as one of our non-herbalist experts:-)

To clarify this list was set up to enable practising herbalists to stay in

touch, especially ones that weren't members of any professional organisation,

but over time it has been useful to have people on the list who either are no

longer or never were practising herbalists because of their individual expertise

in various areas that are of interest to practitioners, Charlotte, Witton,

Chenery all spring to mind.

Graham White, B.Sc. (Herb. Med.)

Medical Herbalist

--------------------------------

Phone: 01279 305793

Mobile: 07740 766335

www.gcwhite.co.uk

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Dear Sally,

Sometimes I look at those sites and immediately regret it. I have been a

member of other sites similar to Bad Science and heard some of the

poisonous tirades that some doctors get into. Thoroughly unpleasant and

more than that, some people want our practice restricted or even

outlawed. This is why I feel passionately that we have to control our

own practice of herbal medicine. Anything less is potentially disastrous.

In the US at the end of the 19th century there was a move to organise

homoeopathic education to include medical science from the outset of

training. This was at a time when homoeopaths made up around 20% of

medics. As a result of this move towards wanting acceptance and approval

by conventional medics, homoeopathy virtually disappeared in the US

within a generation.

All the best,

Gascoigne

>

> Sorry, rereading, that was a bit of a whinge, onward and greenward.

>

> Sally

>

>

>

> > When I last ventured onto Bad Science, there was a herbal student

> > posting there complaining about magical thinking etc, and being

> > sympathised with and accepted into the " posse "

> >

> > I wonder if this was Mel? I have no way of telling as they posted

> > under a pseudonym as do all except Ben. It gives them the option as

> > to whom they reveal their identity to.

> >

> > I gave up posting there as I sensed that they were trying to draw me

> > out in order to spend the time, they obviously have so much of,

> > looking for arguments that would superficially appear to rubbish

> > mine. My only concern with Mel's reinstatement is that this may be

> > her intention. There is no way of checking this, as there is a

> > private " activism " forum, to which I am not subscribed.

> >

> > Our responses to Mel have been very polite, compared to the reception

> > received by anybody foolish enough to venture onto Bad Science and

> > speak of any CAM therapist in a manner other than dismissive. (I

> > would be very happy to be proven wrong in this.........)

> >

> > However, if one speaks of fascism to counter an argument, one is

> > accused of invoking Godwin's Law and are deemed to have lost the

> > argument,

> >

> > I must go, I have seedlings to water,

> >

> >

> > Sally Owen

> >

> >

> > The activism board is for planning campaigns against us dangerous

> > quacks (amongst other things I presume, but attacking complementary

> > medicine seems to have brought Ben G a high profile, which he, as

> > would most people, obviously enjoys. * We are an easy target to

> > attack and thereby build a media profile.)

> >

> >

> >

> > * I'd love to be on the News quiz with Hardy, etc, wouldn't

> > you?, and it grieves me to see his fine mind being poisoned by the

> > anti complementary medicine prejudice so apparent now in the

> > intelligent satire field)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> I can confirm that Mel was a year behind me in the Herbal Med course

> >> at

> >> Westminster. I graduated in 2008. I believe she finished the course,

> >> but

> >> don't know for sure as we weren't personally acquainted.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Deborah McDonnell, MCPP, MNIMH

> >>

> >> H O L I S T I C H E R B A L

> >>

> >> 14 Leyborne Park

> >>

> >> Richmond TW9 3HA

> >>

> >> <http://www.holisticherbal.co.uk/> http://www.holisticherbal.co.uk

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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