Re: If died, would you be sad?

[Guest guest]

So

is never sad?

I don't expect you to answer me, Vivian

Since you (as you love to say) blocked my posts.

???

T

-- Re: If died, would you be sad?

Absolutely not! has spoken of death many times and she has no problem

with it at all.

In fact she has spoken of almost being in a car accident and laughing as the

other vehicle came towards hers.

Vivian

If died, would you be sad?

If you died, would be sad?

[Guest guest]

hi mary

i cannot say if i would be sad, because it did not yet happen.

katie is not a part of my personal life. i have very little interface

moments with her. that's the second point.

was she suffering ...

maybe she cannot suffer anymore, i don't know.

i am not enlightend and i don't know if katie or anyone is. i don't care.

if one tries to commit suicide most of the time there is a lot of

suffering. this is the point that touches my heart. the ability for

empathy is something that makes a human a human (apart from other

qualities)

when the message reached me, suddenly and unexpected, i felt

spontaneous sadness and empathy for her and her family. it didn't last

for hrs or kicked me into depression. it was just there for a while

and then it went away. like the weather.

there is no need that you take another overdose of pills for me, and i

find it somehow freaky that you " offer " this.

i'm not into this kind of games.

sometimes i have a feeling that people use the work, or

" spirituality " , astrology, psychology etc, to kick compassion/empathy

aside. kind of: " all is god so all is " good " bla bla " . it may work for

some people, and i know i have had my share for/of that, in some

moments in this attitude also. and i saw (in the backview) what it did

to the ones which are my close fellows. i'm not interested in repetition.

love rose

> If you died, would be sad?

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[Guest guest]

> Absolutely not!

you haven't been at that experience, cause it has not yet happend.

maybe you have locked your heart. even then you cannot know, now.

lr

has spoken of death many times and she has no problem with it at

all.

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laughing as the other vehicle came towards hers.

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based on what she has said, that she sees death as equal to life, i

would think not...do you find the thought of 'death' sad mary?

[Guest guest]

> based on what she has said, that she sees death as equal to life, i

> would think not...do you find the thought of 'death' sad mary?

No, no and yet, well, maybe sometimes. Trees got burned up. And yet a

thousand years from now all those trees would be gone anyway. A fruit

fly lives around 24 hours, an elephant much longer, some trees 500 years.

I think maybe I die everytime I go to sleep. says dying is like

going to sleep. And every time I wake up I am born.

Or maybe going to sleep and awakening are nothing more than going from

one room to another in a house.

Ah, I see a story is running. Even that I see it is a story.

hahahohohee

[Guest guest]

hey flower tami

> I was trying to have a " small talk " around here

lol a small talk with me, around these topics, hm. ; -), i'm not

sure if i can do you a favour here.

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> represent for me

> How life can look like when your work is done

> And you are out of stressful thoughts

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> I was wondering if no stressful thoughts

> Means no sadness

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> What do you think, Rose?

well, what do i think? i know and remember from my experience that

in these moments when i had no stressful thoughts, i definetly had

no sadness. i would even dare to say i had no emotions at all. when

i then compared that with the condition of before, then i

experienced a kind of " celebrationous " joy and happiness around the

relief i noticed.

one thing that popped in/to my mind, when vivian wrote: " because

everything is fine just as it is according to kt " , in a way i wonder

if it would be the same for kt when she would not live in her

circumstances/stting, but for example in any terrible war zone of

this planet and then in the haunted minority. even when she was in

big trouble, she had shelter, food, cloths and people around. she

was able to earn money from at home, as far as i remember from

reading in books, i might be wrong. and today she also not in a poor

condition. that's ok. it's been said to me that the tibetian people

no matter how haunted and tortured they are, still are a rather

happy nation. i wonder if kt would be the one she is and can be now,

if she was living in a slum, uneducated, sexually abused, with aids

and alcoholics around her.

i wonder if people in such a setting have a thinking/feeling

of " everything is fine just as it is " .

i just don't know.

i would like to give that question into this list, especially to the

people who have long lasting experiences with katie and perhaps have

done the school with her, etc.

thanks for asking flower tami, as i " feared " , this was not small

talk, ; -) (guess i different topic for " small talk " ) love rose

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> > Absolutely not! has spoken of death many times and she has

no

> problem

> > with it at all.

> > In fact she has spoken of almost being in a car accident and

> laughing as the

> > other vehicle came towards hers.

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> > Vivian

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[Guest guest]

hey mary, i hope (oh well, hope is for kids) it's ok, if i pop in

here, it's just i would like to drop in my two cents to what you

have written.

trees which were burnt, fruit flies, and elephant are not that

desperate that they think about comitting suicide. that's the

difference to me. and especially, when i learn that the background

of that depression is a lack of a certain substance within the

organism. if i had known that before, i would have made sure, that

our friend would have been in a closed environment, till they had

found the right substance. a cousin of these two people is also

affected from that genetical defekt. he also became depressed.

luckily he found a doc, which picked out the right medicine for him,

and within two hrs after taking the first pill, his depression

started to vanish so noticable/remarkably, that he wondered what has

been before, and felt himself like rather changed.

don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with dying, not even

commiting suicide. it's just, i really like it ; -), when there is

an easy way out, like having a cup of coffee, or going to a dentist,

or getting a warm sweater, or doing the work, or taking a pill. i

love that easiness. our friend loved to live, when he was ok. we had

so much fun together, and we, my darling and me, lack his uniqueness

and the joy we experienced in that friendship.

if i had to choose, a little medication or suicide, what would i

choose? what would you choose?

i know you (maybe/my story) come from the premise, that you are not

here (i don't think i can leave this world, cuz i don't think i'm

here.)

well me, in my ego state, in my personality i am here, with that

heavy, paraliysed body. i know feeling just like a field of sparks,

not located also, and, you know, when i wonder about things, i

defenitly have a feeling of being here. ; -) (my daughter goes to

the Apartheit topic of south africa in school currently and we have

had several talks about that lately)

hm. one more little thing, i know a farmer from australia who

reported, that his impression was, that one of his cows committed

suicide, when it/she was heavily injured, so maybe even animals have

that opportunity.

is that knowledge neccessary/important for me and my life?. i don't

know. it's just, life is far more than my little thinking apparatus

can squeeze in, and that little cow story is like a reminder to me.

love, rose.

> > based on what she has said, that she sees death as equal to

life, i

> > would think not...do you find the thought of 'death' sad mary?

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> No, no and yet, well, maybe sometimes. Trees got burned up. And

yet a

> thousand years from now all those trees would be gone anyway. A

fruit

> fly lives around 24 hours, an elephant much longer, some trees 500

years.

>

> I think maybe I die everytime I go to sleep. says dying is

like

> going to sleep. And every time I wake up I am born.

>

> Or maybe going to sleep and awakening are nothing more than going

from

> one room to another in a house.

>

> Ah, I see a story is running. Even that I see it is a story.

>

> hahahohohee

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[Guest guest]

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> > based on what she has said, that she sees death as equal to

life, i

> > would think not...do you find the thought of 'death' sad mary?

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> No, no and yet, well, maybe sometimes. Trees got burned up. And

yet a

> thousand years from now all those trees would be gone anyway.

**Yes, sometimes trees get burned up. And fire is also a very

natural and essential part of forest regeneration. It is a natural

part of the way of things.

A fruit

> fly lives around 24 hours, an elephant much longer, some trees 500

years.

***I like noticing that nothing 'dies' before it's time, and

everything dies the perfect 'death'in its own time. Since my father

and sister 'died' many of my stories about 'death' have loosened

their grip on me and I notice that what we refer to death is

happening all the time, in every moment. I can remember, before I

knew anything about the work, thinking that death was such a natural

part of things, could it really be as horrible as my/cultural

thoughts about it? Maybe it's the best thing that could ever happen,

maybe its like the ultimate orgasm, the big release ~ who knows?

These are things I would wonder about.

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> I think maybe I die everytime I go to sleep. says dying is

like

> going to sleep. And every time I wake up I am born.

***And every time we question our thinking and a story lets go of

us, we are born again, a whole new world opens up.

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> Or maybe going to sleep and awakening are nothing more than going

from

> one room to another in a house.

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> Ah, I see a story is running. Even that I see it is a story.

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> hahahohohee

***I still have some sense of loss or saddness when I think of

death, and so I see that I still have stories about it. Ilove that

I can question those stories and see where it takes me. These days,

I tend to see all things as serving to lead us home...'home' being

whatever death is. Its like saying all paths lead to God. It feels

so much better to be open to the possibility that this may be a VERY

good thing....

Cheers,

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[Guest guest]

Sadness is a story and when I am sad I notice and observe it. I can

be present in it. I can inquire into the thought " I am sad " .

I am sad because died, I am sad because I will die.

My thinking is sad about death, 's/mine.

I am happy we will die, maybe the end of the thinking of sadness.

Can I even know we die?

My thinking seems to know and sometimes feels sad.

I can not know about , I see her as unconditional love

reflected back at me.

I have a story of loving /me, I am clear about that.

And Tami, I loved the Oct. 2006 school of me in LA!

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