Re: Re: the school for the work

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Dear

> and what I heard also in other replies:

>

> The school doesn't help

> it's a waste of money

> it's not worth it

> " school " attendees

> are still " suffering "

>

> In my experience they're all 'stories',

I agree everything is a story

> True to the storytellers

I agree here as well

> And worth investigating.

But I want to keep these stories, may I?

The reason I want to keep theses stories is that

They are not stressful to me

And I don't have the money to do school anyway.

However

If I had the story that the school is something I need to do to be free

And I wouldn't have the money

I would question the thought: " I need to do the school "

Win win situation:

I don't have the money to do the school

And I think that is a waste of money anyway

You are looking at a happy women here

>

> love,

>

> .

Love,

T. Israel

>

[Guest guest]

My 2 cents is:

says that wanting to know the truth

Is the last addiction.

says many things

T

-- Re: the school for the work

>

> PS: if true,

> doesn't that mean that " work " has become

> some kind of " addiction " or " dependency "

> for you and not some kind of real " medicine "

> or cure that 'got rid of' your stressful

> thinking?

Hi ac.,

If you could choose (and you can of course) between " addiction "

or " dependency " of believing stressful stories and " addiction "

or " dependency " of undoing them, what would you choose?

What is the worst thing that could happen if you're " addicted " to

the work?

love,

.

[Guest guest]

> > Is there anything wrong at being addicted?

>

> Yes. I think so.

>

> Being 'addicted' = being 'powerless'

>

> When you have " real " power to " choose "

> or " quit " you are not addicted.

Ok, I hear you

I do know that Andy and some other group members

Beleves that we are not the doer

I don't know my stand, I do beleve that in some case I get to choose

And in some cases not (falling in love)

> > I am addicted to write in this group

> > Most people thinks that that it is a good addiction (my fan club here)

> > And one person (Marsha) would think that it as a bad addiction

>

> I too think it is bad " addiction "

> especially if it makes you

> miss your " real " work and your

> " real " life!

What is " real " life

And what is not real about writing here?

> > (maybe she did the work on me and she is a fan also, I don't know)

> >

> > I am addicted to breathing as well

>

> I don't breathe.

>

> [Just like " you " don't pump your blood.]

>

>

> Breathing happens...

>

> Breathing happens even when 'you' sleep,

> even when 'you' faint and stay unconscious.

Wise guy

I don't write here

Writing happens

Could it be true?

> Just

> > Seriously, I cannot stop breathing

>

> Good. Don't try to...

>

> [...]

>

> > >

> > >

> > > > I present The Work to

> > > > the public at local & Noble book stores and public libraries.

> > >

> > > Do you think, you are relly ready for it?

> > >

> > > Or, is it just your favorite passtime

> > > or your way of " realting " , " connecting "

> > > to people or, maybe, showing how " special " ,

> > > how " knowledgeable " , how " evolved " you are?

> >

> > He gets LAA

> > That seem to work for him

>

> Your " guess " is as good as mine.

Right

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > I am asking because I am trying to understand,

> > > ...Do YOU still have " stressful " thoughts?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > And, I hope that work has given you

> > > Great maturity, Heart, Understanding and

> > > Love to take and answer them in " love " !!!

> > >

> > > My apologies to , you and list members!

> >

> > went dancing,

> > I will forward him your apology

>

> Thank you.

>

> >

> > >

> > > I am sorry if I sounded rude, unkind,

> > > uncaring or uncompassionate!

> >

> > Why are you sorry?

>

>

> I have this story that my " no appreciating "

> words can hurt Steve and others.

>

> > Do you need our LAA?

>

> No. Not right now.

>

> > >

> > > But, I truly believe that honset, genuine

> > > INNER answers to these questions can

> > > bring valuable insights!

> >

> > Why do you need Steve's honest answers?

>

> I don't " need " it. I " want " it.

>

> And, there is a big differaance beween the two.

>

> In my expereince, " need " is stressful but

> " want " is not.

>

> > If you want " valuable insights " be honest yourself

> > But only for your own sake

>

> I hear you.

>

> >

> > Live the old man alone

> > He is too busy eating his lunch now

>

> Ok.

>

> >

> > And yes, I am rude

> > And I am not sorry about that

>

> That is you.

>

> And, this is me.

>

>

> We could be little different. Can't we?

Thank god for that!

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Again, I am sorry...

> >

> > Ok, I forgive you

>

> Thanks.

>

> >

> > T

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > ac.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I think you can find something in the archive, as well.

And The work found me through a friend. I talked with her about my

issues with work and relationship, and she said that she wanted to

try something. Then she took out a JYN-Worksheet and made me fill it

out and answer the question.

I did not fall for her tricks!

Anyway, I bought the book of Moritz Boerner, and when I read that

one, I got interested. Later I got " Loving what is " . Now I am doing

the work since 2 years and a half, and it has helped me through my

relationship issues, my fears of being left alone, my thoughts on

money, war, sickness, pain, love, women, ... For now I can say that I

welcome all these things into my life, when they happen. And if

not... there's some work to do.

You could say that the " breakthrough " was on a weekend almost two

years ago, when I did the work over and over and over about my wife's

affair - she was gone for the weekend, on a course with her lover,

and I was home with the kids. I felt like I could not take care of

them, at all, and did the work the whole weekend, with little breaks

for cooking, eating and sleeping. After this weekend I felt like

something profound had shifted.

Since then, the work has been really working for me.

Love,

Am 10.08.2006 um 17:48 schrieb callie_emily:

> Thanks Steve for sharing your experience. I recently found the work

> and have found it very fun and interesting. It has been easing my

> suffering and pain (and, in addition, my dependence on others to

> help me. So nice to help myself).

>

> For the moment though, would anyone else like to share a little

> about when and how you found the work? How has it affected your

> life? How long have you been involved?

>

> Gratefully,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Have any of you gone to the School for the Work? What was your

>>> experience like? Was it worth $3600 and do you use the Work on

> a

>>> daily basis now?

>>> Thanks in advance.

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

you are not trying to use the work to make a decision, are you?

In my experience, that does not work.

Love,

Am 10.08.2006 um 23:36 schrieb callie_emily:

> Well, when I first read your question, , I thought what you

> were asking was How much more suffering will it cost me to not go to

> the school. Interesting, isn't it, that my mind went to that

> place? I also have the idea that it will cause problems between my

> husband and me b/c it will cost so much money and it may not help me

> to feel better anyway...

>

> it will cause me more suffering to not go to the school in October.

> is that true?

> I really don't know.

> Can i know that it's true?

> no.

> How do i react when i think that thought?

> I think about how I'm going to suffer forever no matter what I do.

> I predict that I will go to the school and feel fantastic for a few

> weeks or month and then I will go back to my endless suffering. I

> will be great and love everybody afterwards. I will see everything

> differently. Everything will be great and then I will return to

> this emptiness inside and this endless searching for peace and self-

> approval and other approval. I'm always searching...

> Who would I be w/o this thought?

> I would be in the moment, and appreciative of my journey and me, and

> others for being them (or me, however you want to look at it). I

> would be grateful for life and living and being touched by these

> questions. I would be excited by life and living and answering more

> questions. I would be happy to reveal myself to these strangers I

> don't even know online. I would be thankful for this yummy beer I

> drink as I type and the sun outside that it so hot and beats down on

> my skin whenI water the plants. I would be OK with this Tami I

> don't know that frightens and intrigues me w/what I perceive as

> unpredictability.

> TAs:

> It will not cause me more suffering to not go to the school in

> October.

> I can see that. I can still embrace the work w/o going to the

> school.

>

> I will cause me more suffering if I don't go to the school in

> october.

> If I use the idea about money to not go to the school, I can see

> that it will cause me more suffering b/c I will have invented a new

> story, and i can think about how I didn't do it b/c of my husband

> and I'll have another story about that too. The truth of the matter

> is that I sort of enjoy the idea of slogging through the work on my

> own in my own complicated life instead of going to a

> retreat/workshop to find peace. I always do really well when I go

> off to workshops. I can be open and myself and find a support group

> and then come back to the real world where I find so many percieved

> enemies. (did i really say that? Interesting. I don't know that

> either one of those statements is really true either. I remember

> crying for an entire night at a group retreat a year ago.)

>

> My thinking will cause me more suffering if I don't go to the school

> in October.

> that's a very real possibility, and it definitely resonates.

>

> Thanks for inspiring that work and Rose. This work is so

> interesting. I love how it leads me further to unexplored places.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>>>> Have any of you gone to the School for the Work? What was

> your

>>>> experience like? Was it worth $3600 and do you use the Work

> on

>> a

>>>> daily basis now?

>>>> Thanks in advance.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi ,

>>>

>>> Have you ever imagined what it will cost you if you don't go to

>> the

>>> School for the Work?

>>>

>>> Just my two cents,

>>>

>>> .

>>

>> hey robert and emily!

>>

>> good thinking!

>> (recalling, what i spent on seminars etc. ... )

>>

>> impressed, rose

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Adithya,

>> Is there anything wrong at being addicted?

> Yes. I think so.

> Being 'addicted' = being 'powerless'

> When you have " real " power to " choose "

> or " quit " you are not addicted.

Ok.

Find one way you have real power to choose or quit.

And observe whether you really do it.

If I don't quit, it's because not quitting is giving me something

more valuable than quitting.

Could I have quit? Maybe. Truth is, I didn't.

Could I have not quit? Maybe. Truth is, I did.

>> I am addicted to write in this group

>> Most people thinks that that it is a good addiction (my fan club

>> here)

>> And one person (Marsha) would think that it as a bad addiction

> I too think it is bad " addiction "

> especially if it makes you

> miss your " real " work and your

> " real " life!

So He should (as in: it were better for someone) not miss his " real "

work and his " real " life.

Is that true? Do you even *care*? (c'mon, be *honest*)

And where is it " bad " ?

>> (maybe she did the work on me and she is a fan also, I don't know)

>> I am addicted to breathing as well

> I don't breathe.

> [Just like " you " don't pump your blood.]

> Breathing happens...

> Breathing happens even when 'you' sleep,

> even when 'you' faint and stay unconscious.

Yep.

Show me something you *do*.

>> Just

>> Seriously, I cannot stop breathing

> Good. Don't try to...

Oh, well. Please, DO try to.

And observe what you do. And what you think.

>>> I am sorry if I sounded rude, unkind,

>>> uncaring or uncompassionate!

>> Why are you sorry?

> I have this story that my " no appreciating "

> words can hurt Steve and others.

Again: what do *you* care? What if it did?

>> Do you need our LAA?

> No. Not right now.

Oh. Is that true? Why are you writing here? I mean, what *is* your

motive? What do you think is ours?

What are your long monologues for? And your long answers to your long

monologues? And those answers? Why do you post them here? You want to

get something. What is it?

>>> But, I truly believe that honset, genuine

>>> INNER answers to these questions can

>>> bring valuable insights!

>> Why do you need Steve's honest answers?

> I don't " need " it. I " want " it.

> And, there is a big differaance beween the two.

No. But " I can see how you would think that! "

Gross, heh?

> In my expereince, " need " is stressful but " want " is not.

In my experience, I want what I have. And I need what I have.

EVERYTHING I have. Because it's what I have. It's what IS.

>> And yes, I am rude

>> And I am not sorry about that

> That is you.

> And, this is me.

> We could be little different. Can't we?

Yes.

And No.

What do you hear when says: " you are what is left of my story " ?

Love,

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Dear Adithya,

I hear that you like that power-thing. And I hear something about an

" inner drive " .

And I hear a lot of " I don't know " . Sounds like an open mind.

Do you have power over this " inner drive " of yours? And I am not

asking you to answer.

Love,

Am 16.08.2006 um 22:28 schrieb adithya_comming:

> Dear Adithya,

>

>>> Is there anything wrong at being addicted?

>> Yes. I think so.

>> Being 'addicted' = being 'powerless'

>> When you have " real " power to " choose "

>> or " quit " you are not addicted.

>

>

>>> Ok.

>>> Find one way you have real power to choose or quit.

>

>

> I have power to answer or not answer this mail.

>

>

>>> And observe whether you really do it.

>

> I observed that I really do.

>

>

>>> If I don't quit, it's because not quitting is giving me something

> more valuable than quitting.

>

> I don't know.

>

> Maybe, you lack real power, will and self discipline to do so.

>

>

>>> Could I have quit? Maybe. Truth is, I didn't.

>>> Could I have not quit? Maybe. Truth is, I did.

>

> No comments.

>

>>> I am addicted to write in this group

>>> Most people thinks that that it is a good addiction (my fan club

>>> here)

>>> And one person (Marsha) would think that it as a bad addiction

>> I too think it is bad " addiction "

>> especially if it makes you

>> miss your " real " work and your

>> " real " life!

>

>>> So He should (as in: it were better for someone) not miss

> his " real "

> work and his " real " life.

>

> That is up to him/her.

>

> For me, yes, it is my experience that it is

> " better " to not " ignore " real life.

>

>

>>> Is that true? Do you even *care*? (c'mon, be *honest*)

>

> Yes. I do.

>

>>> And where is it " bad " ?

>

> I haven't examined it in full details yet.

>

>

>>> (maybe she did the work on me and she is a fan also, I don't know)

>>> I am addicted to breathing as well

>> I don't breathe.

>> [Just like " you " don't pump your blood.]

>> Breathing happens...

>> Breathing happens even when 'you' sleep,

>> even when 'you' faint and stay unconscious.

>

>>> Yep.

>

>>> Show me something you *do*.

>

> I am answering this mail.

>

>

>>> Just

>>> Seriously, I cannot stop breathing

>> Good. Don't try to...

>

>>> Oh, well. Please, DO try to.

>>> And observe what you do. And what you think.

>

> I observed...

>

> I hold my breathe

> and, I seem myself holding my breathe...

>

>

>>>> I am sorry if I sounded rude, unkind,

>>>> uncaring or uncompassionate!

>>> Why are you sorry?

>> I have this story that my " no appreciating "

>> words can hurt Steve and others.

>

>>> Again: what do *you* care? What if it did?

>

> Then, I will try to stop doing it whenever

> I know it can hurt him and it is possible

> for me to avoid it.

>

>

>>> Do you need our LAA?

>> No. Not right now.

>

>

>>> Oh. Is that true?

>

> Yes. It was true when I wrote it.

>

>

>>> Why are you writing here? I mean, what *is* your

> motive?

>

> I don't know.

>

> Perhaps, I have an inner drive to do so.

>

>>> What do you think is ours?

>

> I don't know and I don't know if EVERYONE here

> has the same motive. I also don't know if

> EVERYONE here has a *motive* that they know

> of.

>

> In my experience, most people [including myself]

> don't really know [have no *known* motive] to

> do everything that they do.

>

>

>

>>> What are your long monologues for?

>

> I don't know.

>

> Perhaps, I have an inner drive to do so.

>

>

>>> And your long answers to your long

> monologues? And those answers? Why do you post them here?

>

> I don't know.

>

> Perhaps, I have an inner drive to do so.

>

>

>

>>> You want to get something. What is it?

>

> I don't know if I want to *get* something

> by posting here. I have never thought of it.

>

> And, frankly, what I don't even know what

> I can possibly *get* by posting here.

>

>

>>>> But, I truly believe that honset, genuine

>>>> INNER answers to these questions can

>>>> bring valuable insights!

>>> Why do you need Steve's honest answers?

>> I don't " need " it. I " want " it.

>> And, there is a big difference between the two.

>

>>> No.

>

> I read that you think that to you there is

> no difference between the " need " and " want " .

>

>>> But " I can see how you would think that! "

>>> Gross, heh?

>

> Perhaps, I didn't understand what you are

> alluding to here, ! And, thus I don't

> know how it can be " gross " .

>

>

>> In my experience, " need " is stressful but " want " is not.

>

>>> In my experience, I want what I have. And I need what I have.

> EVERYTHING I have. Because it's what I have. It's what IS.

>

> And, I think that is what says too.

>

> I have noticed that I want; what I want.

>

>

>>> And yes, I am rude

>>> And I am not sorry about that

>> That is you.

>> And, this is me.

>> We could be little different. Can't we?

>

>>> Yes.

>>> And No.

>

>>> What do you hear when says: " you are what is left of my

> story " ?

>

> I AM what is left after all stories...

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing,

Can you please do the work on the one liner:

" I loose myself and I am not present when I am around Tami??? "

I am joking

I don't care anymore

Wish you all the best, T

-- Re: Re: the school for the work

Dear ,

I think you can find something in the archive, as well.

And The work found me through a friend. I talked with her about my

issues with work and relationship, and she said that she wanted to

try something. Then she took out a JYN-Worksheet and made me fill it

out and answer the question.

I did not fall for her tricks!

Anyway, I bought the book of Moritz Boerner, and when I read that

one, I got interested. Later I got " Loving what is " . Now I am doing

the work since 2 years and a half, and it has helped me through my

relationship issues, my fears of being left alone, my thoughts on

money, war, sickness, pain, love, women, ... For now I can say that I

welcome all these things into my life, when they happen. And if

not... there's some work to do.

You could say that the " breakthrough " was on a weekend almost two

years ago, when I did the work over and over and over about my wife's

affair - she was gone for the weekend, on a course with her lover,

and I was home with the kids. I felt like I could not take care of

them, at all, and did the work the whole weekend, with little breaks

for cooking, eating and sleeping. After this weekend I felt like

something profound had shifted.

Since then, the work has been really working for me.

Love,

Am 10.08.2006 um 17:48 schrieb callie_emily:

> Thanks Steve for sharing your experience. I recently found the work

> and have found it very fun and interesting. It has been easing my

> suffering and pain (and, in addition, my dependence on others to

> help me. So nice to help myself).

>

> For the moment though, would anyone else like to share a little

> about when and how you found the work? How has it affected your

> life? How long have you been involved?

>

> Gratefully,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Have any of you gone to the School for the Work? What was your

>>> experience like? Was it worth $3600 and do you use the Work on

> a

>>> daily basis now?

>>> Thanks in advance.

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , for sharing your story. Gives me a human face behind the

posts.

Robin A

From:

Sent: Wed 8/16/2006 12:20 PM

To: Loving-what-is

Subject: Re: Re: the school for the work

Dear ,

I think you can find something in the archive, as well.

And The work found me through a friend. I talked with her about my

issues with work and relationship, and she said that she wanted to

try something. Then she took out a JYN-Worksheet and made me fill it

out and answer the question.

I did not fall for her tricks!

Anyway, I bought the book of Moritz Boerner, and when I read that

one, I got interested. Later I got " Loving what is " . Now I am doing

the work since 2 years and a half, and it has helped me through my

relationship issues, my fears of being left alone, my thoughts on

money, war, sickness, pain, love, women, ... For now I can say that I

welcome all these things into my life, when they happen. And if

not... there's some work to do.

You could say that the " breakthrough " was on a weekend almost two

years ago, when I did the work over and over and over about my wife's

affair - she was gone for the weekend, on a course with her lover,

and I was home with the kids. I felt like I could not take care of

them, at all, and did the work the whole weekend, with little breaks

for cooking, eating and sleeping. After this weekend I felt like

something profound had shifted.

Since then, the work has been really working for me.

Love,

Am 10.08.2006 um 17:48 schrieb callie_emily:

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