Re: From whinging to The Work, but in vain.

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> Hello Lovers of What Is! (Am I sure it's true, though?..)

Hi,

My name is T

Sure, I am a lover of what is, Dahh

Unless:

I don't get what I want, Grrr

> I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a way

> I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the first

> question, it's just not happening for me.

The work is not a test

Therefore it is not possible to fail at doing it

IS IT TRUE,

I know of 3 " good " answers to that question

And they are all equally " ok " : YES, NO, or I DONT KNOW

> Today I made a call to an organizer of one of BK's seminars in

> Europe. His phone was on the ad, and I needed to know some

> practicalities, before I could decide to attend. Simple things: how

> many people, will it be a lecture or workshops, what's with the

> translation. Then I asked him if people experience a real difference

> for attending such an event. He wasn't very friendly before, but now

> he said that he had people calling him all the time, wanting to talk

> about things that don't even concern the seminar, and he'd spent

> hours talking to them, and why don't I just read the book and see for

> myself. The rudeness upset me, and I decided to distract myself by

> doing the questions, just not to feel so bad, but I am only getting

> more depressed. Here's how I started:

>

> So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's not

> what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in general. I am

> saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a small

> fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't it?

Dear sweetie

I did the school.

It the school there was a women who took the school very hard and she used

to vomit, occasionally

One day, at the morning walk, she started to vomit again, and one of the

stuff members

(One of " 's man " ) told her: I thought you are done with vomiting.

After the morning walk we gathered with , and she asked us to share.

This women stood up and said:

I expect stuff members to be more sensitive, and not judgmental.

So told her:

SOME STUFF MEMBERS ARE STILL LIVING IN THE PAST,

AND THEY ARE WORKING ON IT

I liked 's response it was so clear and true.

Stuff member are just like you and me

> I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few hours

> over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious, uncomprehending,

> threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on with

> the Inquiry . Help?

I don't know, feel better?

Love, T

>

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Hi Pandy,

If I understand correctly you have only read part of the book? I

suggest downloading some audio files (check out the files section on

this site) to see what it is like when facilitates the work

with some crazy situations. It is really, really amazing. People go

from crying to laughing in a about 20 minutes.

They are recordings of the workshops. It will show you how to do the

work properly and it lets you do the work mentally along with the

person. It very entertaining too.

Mark

P.S. It sounds like the guy was a little stressed out or mentally

deranged, don't worry about it.

>

> Hello Lovers of What Is! (Am I sure it's true, though?..)

>

> I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a

way

> I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the first

> question, it's just not happening for me.

>

> Today I made a call to an organizer of one of BK's seminars in

> Europe. His phone was on the ad, and I needed to know some

> practicalities, before I could decide to attend. Simple things:

how

> many people, will it be a lecture or workshops, what's with the

> translation. Then I asked him if people experience a real

difference

> for attending such an event. He wasn't very friendly before, but

now

> he said that he had people calling him all the time, wanting to

talk

> about things that don't even concern the seminar, and he'd spent

> hours talking to them, and why don't I just read the book and see

for

> myself. The rudeness upset me, and I decided to distract myself

by

> doing the questions, just not to feel so bad, but I am only

getting

> more depressed. Here's how I started:

>

> So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's

not

> what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in general. I

am

> saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a

small

> fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't it?

>

> I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few

hours

> over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious, uncomprehending,

> threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on

with

> the Inquiry . Help?

>

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Dear Pandy,

> I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a

> way

> I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the first

> question, it's just not happening for me.

How do you fail, and what is it that should happen?

....

> So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's

> not

> what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in general. I

> am

> saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a

> small

> fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't it?

What I hear is, that it is true, sometimes. It's ok for people in

general to be rude... and what about this guy? He should not be rude

to you. Is that true?

> I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few

> hours

> over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious, uncomprehending,

> threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on

> with

> the Inquiry . Help?

Why is it that you can't go on? Just write down the answer to the

first question. It does not have to be definite. Pick what comes up

at the moment. And know that the answer could change.

Love,

[Guest guest]

Pandy, one suggestion comes to mind. It's helpful to identify your

thoughts and beliefs about this situation and then do Inquiry on the

key ones. Perhaps you could take a piece of paper and just, without

censoring, make a list of your thoughts. Since you are feeling

depressed, it is likely that some of your thoughts are self-downing

ones. Working on those can be very helpful and I'm sure people in this

group can help if you have trouble with the questions and turnaround.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pandy!

When I look past his *rudeness* I hear some great advice from him:

Read the book and see for myself.

Loving you, nne

> Hello Lovers of What Is! (Am I sure it's true, though?..)

>

> I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a way

> I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the first

> question, it's just not happening for me.

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Reply to Tami >

> Hi T,

Peculiarly, I do feel better. I can see what you are saying, and your

example is spot on, so a big help, thank you.

I felt too embarassed after posting, so much so that I couldn't show my

face here yesterday, angry with myself, and not least, 'cause I'd have

liked to 'take him on' there and then, but I only realized that

afterwards, isn't it strange?

So, I am grateful to you, and others who responded, I kind of expected

to be stoned (not as in drugged, mind) - and it is a 100% reflection on

my own insecurity, nothing else.

See you later,

[Guest guest]

Hi , thank you for your comments, they are so clear. I

haven't go the hang of editing the posts, but I'll just do my best to

post my arguments after the points you made.

> Dear Pandy,

>

> > I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> > thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a

> > way

> > I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> > webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the

first

> > question, it's just not happening for me.

> How do you fail, and what is it that should happen?

A shift maybe? In the shower, for example, when it suddenly clicks

into place (I think I heard this on one of the recordings, where the

person couldn't 'see' it at first, and then suddenly - aaaaaaaah). I

fail 'cause I want the truth, and I don't see it there. I can only

be saying No, and No again, 'cause that's what I believe, and as I am

clearly missing something here, I can't get rid of those things I

believe, most of them anyway. And that's what I perceive as failure -

if other people are not pretending, but are genuinely ready to drop

their beliefs, they are making progress, and as I am not with them on

that - I fail.

> ...

> > So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's

> > not

> > what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in general. I

> > am

> > saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a

> > small

> > fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't

it?

> What I hear is, that it is true, sometimes. It's ok for people in

> general to be rude... and what about this guy? He should not be

rude

> to you. Is that true?

He should not be rude to anyone, if that is his work. I expect that

a lot of people calling him might be coming from insecure people, I

do believe I am not the only one, who are also very vulnerable, and I

know that the way I was affected is about my comfort zone and such

like, but really, if you want to get the message (live with BK), and

his attitude tips you over the edge, or very nearly so, you end up

worse of than you started with.

> > I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few

> > hours

> > over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious,

uncomprehending,

> > threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on

> > with

> > the Inquiry . Help?

> Why is it that you can't go on? Just write down the answer to the

> first question. It does not have to be definite. Pick what comes up

> at the moment. And know that the answer could change.

Psychological block, I think. I can't explain it right now, it just

got a bit intense for me. And also the preassure of having to

decide to go through with the seminar, and getting back to him, and

paying him all that lot of money, and for something I could no longer

trust was a real or a good thing. I appreciate how pathetic it

sounds, that it takes someone in a position of authority to put me

down like that, and I just roll over, but I am coming from a very

shaky place. Having said that, I do feel so much better now, and

it's a lot to do with all the helpful posts I received.

> Love,

>

>

Thank you again , much appreciated,

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Pandy!

>

> When I look past his *rudeness* I hear some great advice from him:

>

> Read the book and see for myself.

>

> Loving you, nne

>

>

Thank you nne. I don't want to come across as pig-headed, I am

yet too far from the place where I'd be past caring ;0), but here's

the 'but'. I did not need his 'advice', as I was planning to read

the book anyway. What I was hoping to hear was something a bit

closer to what I was actually asking him, and it was to do with the

impact of such a seminar on a person, in his experience or feedback

from others, and the time to register is running out, and by the time

I get/read the book, BK would be back in the U.S., and I think I am

whinging again, so I'd better stop here. The only thing he 'helped'

me with, was to run away from him and keep running long after the

call, and I know that it is my problem ('business') not his, still

believe it is his duty (God forgive me for pointing a finger), in his

line of work, to stay within a neutral, if not polite mode, while

dealing with customers... There. Please don't judge me too

harshly,

>

>

> > Hello Lovers of What Is! (Am I sure it's true, though?..)

> >

> > I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

> > thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a

way

> > I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

> > webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the

first

> > question, it's just not happening for me.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandy,

Am 16.06.2006 um 23:50 schrieb pandy273:

> Hi , thank you for your comments, they are so clear. I

> haven't go the hang of editing the posts, but I'll just do my best to

> post my arguments after the points you made.

Thank you for being so open!

>> Dear Pandy,

>>

>>> I didn't plan to post yet, not till I've read the book at least,

>>> thought I could get some ideas from just reading the posts. In a

>>> way

>>> I did, but not enough, and I have read a lot of info on The Work

>>> webpage as well. But whenever I try to do it, I fail on the

>>> first

>>> question, it's just not happening for me.

>> How do you fail, and what is it that should happen?

> A shift maybe? In the shower, for example, when it suddenly clicks

> into place (I think I heard this on one of the recordings, where the

> person couldn't 'see' it at first, and then suddenly - aaaaaaaah).

Well, if I had to take a shower every time I wanted it to click into

place... I'd be even beyond clean!

> I fail 'cause I want the truth, and I don't see it there.

What? You want to see the truth, and even call the shots on the timing?

If I've learned anything in this realization thing, then that they

happen when they are appropriate, not when I want them to happen.

> I can only

> be saying No, and No again, 'cause that's what I believe, and as I am

> clearly missing something here, I can't get rid of those things I

> believe, most of them anyway. And that's what I perceive as failure -

> if other people are not pretending, but are genuinely ready to drop

> their beliefs, they are making progress, and as I am not with them on

> that - I fail.

Well, if it doesn't drop, then it's not time for it to drop. And

there is beauty in that. Nothing falls off, before its time. No one

dies before his time. Not even thoughts. And that way you get to

experience EVERY minute of it. Take the whole path step by step. No

short routes. Enjoy the ride, take a deep breath and admire the

scenery. You can't miss any of it.

>> ...

>>> So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's

>>> not

>>> what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in general. I

>>> am

>>> saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a

>>> small

>>> fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't

>> it?

>> What I hear is, that it is true, sometimes. It's ok for people in

>> general to be rude... and what about this guy? He should not be

>> rude

>> to you. Is that true?

> He should not be rude to anyone, if that is his work. I expect that

> a lot of people calling him might be coming from insecure people, I

> do believe I am not the only one, who are also very vulnerable, and I

> know that the way I was affected is about my comfort zone and such

> like, but really, if you want to get the message (live with BK), and

> his attitude tips you over the edge, or very nearly so, you end up

> worse of than you started with.

Really? Where did you end up? Think others couldn't cope with it as

well as you did? Where does that put them? Where does it put you? And

how does it feel to be at that place?

And if he had not been rude to you, you wouldn't bother how he treats

others, would you?

As far as you know, he may be the kindest being on earth... to

others. And he even gave you exaclty what you needed! You didn't even

have to ask for it (what's good, since you didn't know what to ask

for in the first place).

>>> I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few

>>> hours

>>> over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious,

>>> uncomprehending,

>>> threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on

>>> with

>>> the Inquiry . Help?

>> Why is it that you can't go on? Just write down the answer to the

>> first question. It does not have to be definite. Pick what comes up

>> at the moment. And know that the answer could change.

> Psychological block, I think. I can't explain it right now, it just

> got a bit intense for me.

Well, what you call a " block " , others may call it a " flow " ...

Or did your mind just go blank? Isn't that what a lot of people would

love to achieve? A peaceful mind?

Well, what is a peaceful mind good for, if I don't know what to do

with it?

> And also the preassure of having to

> decide to go through with the seminar, and getting back to him, and

> paying him all that lot of money, and for something I could no longer

> trust was a real or a good thing. I appreciate how pathetic it

> sounds, that it takes someone in a position of authority to put me

> down like that, and I just roll over, but I am coming from a very

> shaky place. Having said that, I do feel so much better now, and

> it's a lot to do with all the helpful posts I received.

What pressure? What do you have to decide when? Whom do you pay the

money, and what do you need it for, anyway? How did he get to a

position of authority, and where are you that he can put you down?

Just some questions to considerate, or not.

>> Love,

>>

> Thank you again , much appreciated,

Thank you for your thoughts!

Love,

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Hi ,

You certainly know how to provoke a person into some unexpected

twists of thinking, if you see what I mean.

I've achieved some further results from all that thinking process,

and want to post it separately, but as I got confused by some things

you said, here are a few comments.

-- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

> > I fail 'cause I want the truth, and I don't see it there.

> What? You want to see the truth, and even call the shots on the

timing?

Fair point, actually, am with you, so far...

> If I've learned anything in this realization thing, then that they

> happen when they are appropriate, not when I want them to happen.

>

> > I can only

> > be saying No, and No again, 'cause that's what I believe, and as

I am

> > clearly missing something here, I can't get rid of those things I

> > believe, most of them anyway. And that's what I perceive as

failure -

> > if other people are not pretending, but are genuinely ready to

drop

> > their beliefs, they are making progress, and as I am not with

them on

> > that - I fail.

> Well, if it doesn't drop, then it's not time for it to drop. And

> there is beauty in that. Nothing falls off, before its time. No

one

> dies before his time. Not even thoughts. And that way you get to

> experience EVERY minute of it. Take the whole path step by step.

No

> short routes. Enjoy the ride, take a deep breath and admire the

> scenery. You can't miss any of it.

I am afraid I am missing it, the scenery is just rubbish .

> >>> So people shouldn't be rude to you, is it true? No, but that's

> >>> not

> >>> what my problem is. I am used to people being rude in

general. I

> >>> am

> >>> saying that people who organize an event with BK, and charge a

> >>> small

> >>> fortune for registration, should not be rude. Is it true? Isn't

> >> it?

> >> What I hear is, that it is true, sometimes. It's ok for people in

> >> general to be rude... and what about this guy? He should not be

> >> rude

> >> to you. Is that true?

> > He should not be rude to anyone, if that is his work. I expect

that

> > a lot of people calling him might be coming from insecure people,

I

> > do believe I am not the only one, who are also very vulnerable,

and I

> > know that the way I was affected is about my comfort zone and such

> > like, but really, if you want to get the message (live with BK),

and

> > his attitude tips you over the edge, or very nearly so, you end up

> > worse of than you started with.

> Really? Where did you end up? Think others couldn't cope with it

as

> well as you did? Where does that put them? Where does it put you?

And

> how does it feel to be at that place?

>

> And if he had not been rude to you, you wouldn't bother how he

treats

> others, would you?

No, maybe not, but only 'cause I wouldn't know about it. When I

observe 'unfair' (please don't challenge me on the use of that word,

please...) rudeness that has nothing to do with me, it does bother me

very much.

> As far as you know, he may be the kindest being on earth... to

> others. And he even gave you exaclty what you needed! You didn't

even

> have to ask for it (what's good, since you didn't know what to ask

> for in the first place).

, I don't understand. Did he give me food for thought, you

mean? I didn't need any more, I had enough already...

> >>> I haven't been able to move on from that point and spent a few

> >>> hours

> >>> over this, and I feel angry, frustrated, anxious,

> >>> uncomprehending,

> >>> threatened, helpless, and so many more things, and I can't go on

> >>> with

> >>> the Inquiry . Help?

> >> Why is it that you can't go on? Just write down the answer to the

> >> first question. It does not have to be definite. Pick what comes

up

> >> at the moment. And know that the answer could change.

> > Psychological block, I think. I can't explain it right now, it

just

> > got a bit intense for me.

> Well, what you call a " block " , others may call it a " flow " ...

> Or did your mind just go blank? Isn't that what a lot of people

would

> love to achieve? A peaceful mind?

> Well, what is a peaceful mind good for, if I don't know what to do

> with it?

Peaceful mind to me is what happens to other people. Mine is in

turmoil at the peacefullest times, a situation like this just

triggers something really really nasty...

> > And also the preassure of having to

> > decide to go through with the seminar, and getting back to him,

and

> > paying him all that lot of money, and for something I could no

longer

> > trust was a real or a good thing. I appreciate how pathetic it

> > sounds, that it takes someone in a position of authority to put me

> > down like that, and I just roll over, but I am coming from a very

> > shaky place. Having said that, I do feel so much better now, and

> > it's a lot to do with all the helpful posts I received.

> What pressure? What do you have to decide when? Whom do you pay

the

> money, and what do you need it for, anyway? How did he get to a

> position of authority, and where are you that he can put you down?

It is too late now I think, if what he said was true. The

workshop/seminar is fully booked by now (I was to contact him again

last week, if I wanted to secure a place). The pressure was to

decide something like that spontaneously, and as I had tried some

things before, that were meant to be helpful, and that were useless

at best, I've become wary of so-called fads; also, to shell out an

equivalent of about $250 for what could very well turn out to be yet

another fad (no offence) is not something I am ready to do, not to

mention experiencing, yet again, the feeling of utter hopelessness,

if it were.

> Just some questions to considerate, or not.

I will continue considering, though. I do love the " or not " whenever

it comes up.

> >> Love,

> >>

> > Thank you again , much appreciated,

> Thank you for your thoughts!

>

> Love,

>

And best wishes from me,

>

>

>

>

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