Re: It's time to go .... Tami

[Guest guest]

Lovethework

I hear you, darling.

Ask or to kick me out so that you could have peace of

mind.

And if they Hmmm not do it, you can always do the work???

By the way, I read what you wrote and I felt so loved.

SO, I am so so happy that you are here.

Sure feels peacful to me

See Ya

T

> LOL .... Tami is an attractive woman? Is that true? Honestly I

would

> be struggling to find anything attractive about her, but that's

just

> my story.

> Next can we really know for sure that this man was even concerned

> with Tami at all, perhaps he was admiring the guy on the table

> behind Tami.

> Surely this post is just another one of Tami's endless not so

> clerverly disguised attempts at attention seeking. Yeah I know

it's

> my story, but I like it so I will stick with it.

> Geez ... I go away from this list for awhile and when I return

Tami

> is still serving up the same old boiled vegetables. Come on people

> it's time for a revolution. Tami must go now!

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Lovethework

>

> I hear you, darling.

>

> Ask or to kick me out so that you could have peace of

> mind.

> And if they Hmmm not do it, you can always do the work???

>

Tami I am entirely peaceful. Blissfully peaceful

It's just that when I joined this group I ordered roast chicken not

Tami's boiled vegetables. I have a story that 90% of all the other

people on this list also ordered roast chicken, and it's about time

that that we clearly voice our preferences once again.

Be honest Tami, isn't the ONLY reason you are here to seek approval

and appreciation? You make some feeble attempts at the Work to try to

justify your presence here, but it's all about being noticed isn't it?

I am guessing that you have been rejected from most normal social

circles so this list is pretty much the last place where your anti-

social behaviour is tolerated. You have no partner in your life,

because you are so needy for approval and that turns all the guys off.

You will never find the approval and appreciation you so desperately

crave, by posting on this list. I thought you would have noticed that

by now. So please do the gracious thing and just leave this list.

Trust me it would be the most loving act for everyone involved.

Have a beautiful day

" Love is what you are already. Love doesn't seek anything. It's

already complete. It doesn't want, doesn't need, has no shoulds. It

already has everything it wants, it already is everything it wants,

just the way it wants it. So when I hear people say that they love

someone and want to be loved in return, I know they're not talking

about love. They're talking about something else. " Byron

[Guest guest]

Wow love, that is what you think of me?

Let me answer you one by one

> > Lovethework

> >

> > I hear you, darling.

> >

> > Ask or to kick me out so that you could have peace of

> > mind.

> > And if they Hmmm not do it, you can always do the work???

> >

>

> Tami I am entirely peaceful. Blissfully peaceful

If you say so...

> It's just that when I joined this group I ordered roast chicken

not

> Tamil's boiled vegetables. I have a story that 90% of all the

other

> people on this list also ordered roast chicken, and it's about

time

> that that we clearly voice our preferences once again.

In life we don't always get what we want.

So it is ok to voice your preferences:

I hear that you don't want me here.

So, as I told you, ask for what you want

Tell / that. Maybe they will agree with you

So I will be out in no time

> Be honest Tamil, isn't the ONLY reason you are here to seek

approval

> and appreciation?

Maybe in the past it was accurate.

The way I experience myself today is that LAA is not something I

need.

If I needed it I would not act so honest and open

I would " behave " and try to be nice to people.

And maybe you are right, one of my secret motive is getting LAA, and

if it is true, it makes me like the rest of you!

You make some feeble attempts at the Work to try to

> justify your presence here, but it's all about being noticed isn't

it?

You are so right about that one, love.

Have you noticed how I love getting attention?

Good / bad doesn't matter, I love reading mails with my name on it...

I love getting attention. Do you see it as a bad thing, love?

> I am guessing that you have been rejected from most normal social

> circles so this list is pretty much the last place where your anti-

> social behaviour is tolerated.

Well you are so right about that one too

I was almost kicked out from the army (cause I had no discipline)

Actually I try to remember other examples

And about my behavior. I can understand why you see it as:

Anti-social behavior. I behave freely and some people can loose

there tolerant at me. I do know a few people who loves me the way I

am and see all my " flauts " that you see, as " good " things.

Either way is fine by me. When people adore me, I listen to them

And when people despise me, I listen too.

Both sides as nothing to do with me.

You have no partner in your life,

> because you are so needy for approval and that turns all the guys

off.

I have no guy in my life. So true.

I would question the part after the " because " .

And, good news, I am much less needy than what I used to be.

But don't get me wrong, I am still needy, sometimes!

Now I can see the beauty in it and not judge people who are like me.

> You will never find the approval and appreciation you so

desperately

> crave, by posting on this list. I thought you would have noticed

that

> by now.

Honey I feel that I get here more than enough!

Trust me if I can feel so loved by you

I can feel loved by Amber Steve or any other member, and I don't

need it. Oh, yesterday I wrote a wise post, so I said to Steve: read

this post and than give me LAA. Just like that, no shame. I asked

for what I wanted at the moment. It is the short cut, the long way

is manipulation. Anyway this old guy didn't give me LAA. It was fine

by me.

Now I see, freedom is to be able to ask for what you want, and if

you don't get it, feel good as well.

So please do the gracious thing and just leave this list.

> Trust me it would be the most loving act for everyone involved.

I am not going to live this group, cause I don't have the story that

I am not fitting here. On the contrary, I don't want to boust but

some people actually are here, mostly because of me. I know that

because they told me so.

> Have a beautiful day

But, if it as anything to do with me: I want to stay here

And I want to ask you:

How can I be more loving to you?

What I should / shouldn't do, so that you could feel ok with me

staying here?

And if you are so concern to other people wants and needs

here is one advice:

Acim, OUT , Loving-what-is - IN

The Acim stuff you love to talk about is so borring, can you stop

mentioning it?

Love you, and thank you for being who you are.

as I wrote in the past, I give you a lot of credit in helping me the

person that I am today: more loving to myself.

And one more thing, people who tries to hurt other people

the way you tried to hurt me here, hopping that I would feel hurt

and run away, I dont see it as a good thing in you.

But You are still at my top 5 people that I love the most in this

group. It must be your honesty that makes you so lovable for me.

Hey we are so alike in so many ways, have you noticed that?

T

[Guest guest]

Dear Love,

LOL .... Tami is an attractive woman? Is that true? Honestly I would

be struggling to find anything attractive about her, but that's just

my story.

since you love quoting so much... what about " And as long as I see

anything that's not beautiful, my work is not done. " ?

Next can we really know for sure that this man was even concerned

with Tami at all, perhaps he was admiring the guy on the table

behind Tami.

You are right, I can't know that. For all I know this man doesn't even exist.

Surely this post is just another one of Tami's endless not so

clerverly disguised attempts at attention seeking. Yeah I know it's

my story, but I like it so I will stick with it.

I appreciate that you do. And to me it sounds like separation.

Geez ... I go away from this list for awhile and when I return Tami

is still serving up the same old boiled vegetables. Come on people

it's time for a revolution. Tami must go now!

Well, let's have an agenda!

And I understand how you want her to go. She seems not to even CARE what you

want.

So, who does that leave?

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

Hm, not even a Tami, eh?

Love,

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Sie denken an Ihre Sicherheit? Das tun wir auch.

[Guest guest]

Dear Love,

Tami I am entirely peaceful. Blissfully peaceful

Well, these posts don't sound peaceful to me. And, yes, that's just me.

Because in the moment I don't see you as peaceful, I am not in peace.

It's just that when I joined this group I ordered roast chicken not

Tami's boiled vegetables.

I hear that. And I notice you keep sticking to the vegetables.

Who is " coming back " over and over? And I didn't notice you ever left.

I have a story that 90% of all the other

people on this list also ordered roast chicken, and it's about time

that that we clearly voice our preferences once again.

Thank you for voicing your preferences.

And I don't buy it.

I'll voice my preferences when it's on MY schedule. Not yours. And sometimes,

they may match.

Be honest Tami, isn't the ONLY reason you are here to seek approval

and appreciation?

No, that's me. Haven't you noticed? And I didn't find what I came here for,

yet. But I keep looking. And I believe those who stopped looking have either

found what they wanted, or try another place.

You make some feeble attempts at the Work to try to

justify your presence here, but it's all about being noticed isn't it?

Sorry, Tami, this one is meant for me, as well.

I do that, sometimes.

Even in the name of " facilitating " .

I am guessing that you have been rejected from most normal social

circles so this list is pretty much the last place where your anti-

social behaviour is tolerated.

Well, " most " doesn't mean anything. And yes, I do find social circles I feel

rejected from. And thank you for tolerating me, here.

You have no partner in your life,

because you are so needy for approval and that turns all the guys off.

Yes. And even the times I do have a partner, I act very needy towards him, and

don't even care for what he wants, unless I can use it to my favour.

You will never find the approval and appreciation you so desperately

crave, by posting on this list. I thought you would have noticed that

by now. So please do the gracious thing and just leave this list.

Trust me it would be the most loving act for everyone involved.

Thank you for letting me know. And how will I find the approval and

appreciation I so desperately crave for, can you show me?

" Love is what you are already. Love doesn't seek anything. It's

already complete. It doesn't want, doesn't need, has no shoulds. It

already has everything it wants, it already is everything it wants,

just the way it wants it. So when I hear people say that they love

someone and want to be loved in return, I know they're not talking

about love. They're talking about something else. " Byron

And I don't want to take away or withhold anything from you that you wanted.

And I notice that sometimes I do. So please let me know as soon as you notice,

because I don't want to be that way. And I need all the help I can get.

Love,

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Sie denken an Ihre Sicherheit? Das tun wir auch.

[Guest guest]

LOL .... Tami is an attractive woman? Is that true? Honestly I would

be struggling to find anything attractive about her, but that's just

my story.

*****Yeah, it's a story but it's not " your " story. It's the story

that *has* you. ;-))

Next can we really know for sure that this man was even concerned

with Tami at all, perhaps he was admiring the guy on the table

behind Tami.

Surely this post is just another one of Tami's endless not so

clerverly disguised attempts at attention seeking. Yeah I know it's

my story, but I like it so I will stick with it.

Geez ... I go away from this list for awhile and when I return Tami

is still serving up the same old boiled vegetables. Come on people

it's time for a revolution. Tami must go now!

*****What is served, how are things improved or bettered, by Tami

going? Is it the use of bandwidth that concersn you? And where would

she " go " to anyway? :-))))

[Guest guest]

Dear ~ Some ruminations arising from this

fascinating....dialogue.

You wrote,

" Well, these posts don't sound peaceful to me. And, yes, that's just

me. Because in the moment I don't see you as peaceful, I am not in

peace. "

Yes, this seems like insightful teaching. The thing of it is,

is...all this yearning for peace.....Hmmmmmmmm.....

Well.....what *I* see is that what we see, or don't see, " in the

moment, " is not " up to us. " We have NO CONTROL over what we see or

don't see (peace or disharmony, for example).

In a moment of disharmony, a thought may arise to question everything,

we may be provoked to do The Work, and even if The Work is engaged, it

may, or may not, dissolve the confusion. Ultimately, however, it

seems to me, that what happens is simply not....up....to....us.

The sense here is that we are constructed constructs, constructed out

of the illusion that we have some say in how things are. Rather, what

we are IS how things are.

So....sometimes there is peace....sometimes there is not peace. And

this is so for all the other states-of-being (joy, grief, humor,

sadness, lust, boredom). Can it be Seen Clearly that we are not the

Author of any of them, merely the recepients?

So, we 'do' The Work in a stressful moment, and,

SOMETIMES........sometimes.....The Work...works! In such instances

some may be led to conclude, " Ah....I did that! By doing The Work,

'I' undid the stress. " This only adds to the illusion that we have

some " power " to effect change.

Just where this has been going for me, lately.

[Guest guest]

Well, for being an illusion, it's a nice one.

As long as I don't velcro.

I would not call it " control " , because there does not seem to be a lack of it,

even if I don't do the work. And when I start with " I should be doing the work "

wich does not work, because it isn't under my control, I can do the work on

that. Or not.

love,

Andy schrieb:

Dear ~ Some ruminations arising from this

fascinating....dialogue.

You wrote,

" Well, these posts don't sound peaceful to me. And, yes, that's just

me. Because in the moment I don't see you as peaceful, I am not in

peace. "

Yes, this seems like insightful teaching. The thing of it is,

is...all this yearning for peace.....Hmmmmmmmm.....

Well.....what *I* see is that what we see, or don't see, " in the

moment, " is not " up to us. " We have NO CONTROL over what we see or

don't see (peace or disharmony, for example).

In a moment of disharmony, a thought may arise to question everything,

we may be provoked to do The Work, and even if The Work is engaged, it

may, or may not, dissolve the confusion. Ultimately, however, it

seems to me, that what happens is simply not....up....to....us.

The sense here is that we are constructed constructs, constructed out

of the illusion that we have some say in how things are. Rather, what

we are IS how things are.

So....sometimes there is peace....sometimes there is not peace. And

this is so for all the other states-of-being (joy, grief, humor,

sadness, lust, boredom). Can it be Seen Clearly that we are not the

Author of any of them, merely the recepients?

So, we 'do' The Work in a stressful moment, and,

SOMETIMES........sometimes.....The Work...works! In such instances

some may be led to conclude, " Ah....I did that! By doing The Work,

'I' undid the stress. " This only adds to the illusion that we have

some " power " to effect change.

Just where this has been going for me, lately.

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear ~ Some ruminations arising from this

> fascinating....dialogue.

>

> You wrote,

>

> " Well, these posts don't sound peaceful to me. And, yes, that's just

> me. Because in the moment I don't see you as peaceful, I am not in

> peace. "

>

>

>

> Yes, this seems like insightful teaching. The thing of it is,

> is...all this yearning for peace.....Hmmmmmmmm.....

>

> Well.....what *I* see is that what we see, or don't see, " in the

> moment, " is not " up to us. " We have NO CONTROL over what we see or

> don't see (peace or disharmony, for example).

>

> In a moment of disharmony, a thought may arise to question everything,

> we may be provoked to do The Work, and even if The Work is engaged, it

> may, or may not, dissolve the confusion. Ultimately, however, it

> seems to me, that what happens is simply not....up....to....us.

>

> The sense here is that we are constructed constructs, constructed out

> of the illusion that we have some say in how things are. Rather, what

> we are IS how things are.

>

> So....sometimes there is peace....sometimes there is not peace. And

> this is so for all the other states-of-being (joy, grief, humor,

> sadness, lust, boredom). Can it be Seen Clearly that we are not the

> Author of any of them, merely the recepients?

>

> So, we 'do' The Work in a stressful moment, and,

> SOMETIMES........sometimes.....The Work...works! In such instances

> some may be led to conclude, " Ah....I did that! By doing The Work,

> 'I' undid the stress. " This only adds to the illusion that we have

> some " power " to effect change.

>

> Just where this has been going for me, lately.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---------->Nice image! And I rephrase: as long as velcroing

doesn't.....happen. (You, , ARE what is 'velcroed,' not that

which does the velcroing.)

I don't know about you, but I am not what is velcroed, either.

I am what observes the velcro.

And I am what I believe I am.

> ----------> IF YOU ARE SO MOVED. ONLY if you are so moved. And what

> .... moves .... you? What generates that initial *spark*? You? That

> is what I am pointing to: what is the....prime mover? Where does all

> movement (thought which is actualized as action, for example) come from?

What movement are you talking about?

Try to sit still, once for a while.

Didn't your mommy tell you?

Love,

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[Guest guest]

Well when I joined this group I ordered beef and I often ask myself

'Where is the beef?'. But I love what is, beef or no beef.

> Tami has no partner is her life

Is that true? I happen to know that she is happily married right now...

> Tami turns all the guys off

Hm, well if that were true she wouldn't have posted 2000+ emails here.

TA: Tami turns all the guys on

I guess it is as true or truer.

Now find three examples:

(only three??!)

Zigi

Steve

Philip

haha

and I guess even lovethework if not his wife had forbidden him to join

her on Skype

the man in the coffeeshop

>Tami has been rejected from most normal social

circles

Yes, how lucky, even from the army, where they are so normal and social...

>So please do the gracious thing and just leave this list.

She did a few days ago and was immersed by complaints how boring the

list is without her.

Anyway, I love Tami. And she is not the person that your story or

projector tells you she is. Tami is boiled vegetables AND roasted

chicken. She is roses and wine. She is funny, caring and serious. She

knows the work very well, though she appears not to love 'that woman' bk.

This group is called loving what is and not Mcs and exists 90% of

vegetarians. So ordering roasted chicken here, apart from the bird flu,

is not a handy thing to do. Even 'ordering' here feels a bit awkward,.

The funny thing here is that you get something else than you would

expect (and 'You can't always get what you want').

And you don't have to order a chicken here. There is already one here.

She's a very nice chicken, roasted or unroasted, and her name is T.

Have a beautiful day!

R.

ovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

> >

> > Lovethework

> >

> > I hear you, darling.

> >

> > Ask or to kick me out so that you could have peace of

> > mind.

> > And if they Hmmm not do it, you can always do the work???

> >

>

> Tami I am entirely peaceful. Blissfully peaceful

>

> It's just that when I joined this group I ordered roast chicken not

> Tami's boiled vegetables. I have a story that 90% of all the other

> people on this list also ordered roast chicken, and it's about time

> that that we clearly voice our preferences once again.

> Be honest Tami, isn't the ONLY reason you are here to seek approval

> and appreciation? You make some feeble attempts at the Work to try to

> justify your presence here, but it's all about being noticed isn't it?

> I am guessing that you have been rejected from most normal social

> circles so this list is pretty much the last place where your anti-

> social behaviour is tolerated. You have no partner in your life,

> because you are so needy for approval and that turns all the guys off.

>

> You will never find the approval and appreciation you so desperately

> crave, by posting on this list. I thought you would have noticed that

> by now. So please do the gracious thing and just leave this list.

> Trust me it would be the most loving act for everyone involved.

>

> Have a beautiful day

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