Re: thanks tamar for the book - Uvie

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Dear Love,

Am 03.03.2006 um 00:02 schrieb lovetheworkofbk:

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>> Hm...

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>> I am surprised that none of you (especially love, of

>> course) remarks how confused he would be if he

>> believed he could actually hurt another person...

>>

>> Oh, well.

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> I did not feel the need to mention that point because

> had already made that clear in the passages I quoted. Yes, we

> all know that no one can be effected by anything except their

> thoughts, but that does NOT give us a blank cheque to say anything

> we like! Here are the passages again, since it appears that you

> missed them in my original post

sorry, I missed them, again!

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> hi,

> I only told her after she asked me to tell her the truth... she

> for one has always been completely honest with me, and she really

> wanted to hear it...

Hmmm .... she may have said that she really wanted to hear your

projections, but I still would not have shared them if I had even

the smallest thought that they could have hurt her.

Before I shared my projections of someone being proud, critical,

boring etc. I would inquire and see if they were really true. Could

have saved both you and your girlfriend a lot of suffering.

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

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> >

> > hi,

> > I only told her after she asked me to tell her the truth... she

> > for one has always been completely honest with me, and she

really

> > wanted to hear it...

>

>

> Hmmm .... she may have said that she really wanted to hear your

> projections, but I still would not have shared them if I had even

> the smallest thought that they could have hurt her.

>

> Before I shared my projections of someone being proud, critical,

> boring etc. I would inquire and see if they were really true.

Could

> have saved both you and your girlfriend a lot of suffering.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

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Hm...

I am surprised that none of you (especially love, of

course) remarks how confused he would be if he

believed he could actually hurt another person...

Oh, well.

Actually, I believe it is better to be honest with

someone than trying to fool him into liking me by not

saying what I think.

Wasn't it you, work, who said that doing the work

could hinder you of taking action?

Now you suggest to do the work instead of sharing the

feelings?

It did not sound to me that Uvie was stressed, but

rather freed from pressure.

Oh, well, what do I know?

Love,

--- schrieb:

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> > >

> > > hi,

> > > I only told her after she asked me to tell her

> the truth... she

> > > for one has always been completely honest with

> me, and she

> really

> > > wanted to hear it...

> >

> >

> > Hmmm .... she may have said that she really wanted

> to hear your

> > projections, but I still would not have shared

> them if I had even

> > the smallest thought that they could have hurt

> her.

> >

> > Before I shared my projections of someone being

> proud, critical,

> > boring etc. I would inquire and see if they were

> really true.

> Could

> > have saved both you and your girlfriend a lot of

> suffering.

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " There's nothing between you and love but

> unquestioned concepts. "

> > Byron

> >

>

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> > > >

> > > > hi,

> > > > I only told her after she asked me to tell her

> > the truth... she

> > > > for one has always been completely honest with

> > me, and she

> > really

> > > > wanted to hear it...

> > >

> > >

> > > Hmmm .... she may have said that she really wanted

> > to hear your

> > > projections, but I still would not have shared

> > them if I had even

> > > the smallest thought that they could have hurt

> > her.

> > >

> > > Before I shared my projections of someone being

> > proud, critical,

> > > boring etc. I would inquire and see if they were

> > really true.

> > Could

> > > have saved both you and your girlfriend a lot of

> > suffering.

> > >

> > > Have a beautiful day

> > >

> > >

> > > " There's nothing between you and love but

> > unquestioned concepts. "

> > > Byron

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Hm...

>

> I am surprised that none of you (especially love, of

> course) remarks how confused he would be if he

> believed he could actually hurt another person...

>

> Oh, well.

>

I did not feel the need to mention that point because

had already made that clear in the passages I quoted. Yes, we

all know that no one can be effected by anything except their

thoughts, but that does NOT give us a blank cheque to say anything

we like! Here are the passages again, since it appears that you

missed them in my original post

" If I think that saying something to you would hurt your feelings, I

don't say it. I don't go past my own projected boundaries. I stop

because I don't want to feel the guilt of my own story. I can't know

that it would hurt your feelings. I stop for my sake. And I don't

live my life being careful about what I say. I simply take

responsibility for my own heaven or hell. "

" It's not possible for me to hurt another person with my words.

(Please don't try to, believe this until you realize it for

yourself.) If you ask me point blank for the truth, then I'm going

to tell you what I see. I want to give you everything that you

ask for. The way you receive my answer is the way you hurt you with

it or you help you with it. I'm just giving you what I've got. You

asked. "

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

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LTWOBK,

If you were honestly asking where you might have been perceived to be

arrogant, these are the words that seemed so (below) to ME. And this

is even though I AGREE with your point. Perhaps working with words is

not your usual forte, here are the ones that jumped out as judgmental

or overkill (put in caps since the bold or italic doesn't seem to

work). My thought when I read your post was that I wished you would

be more gentle with new people--or, speaking only for myself, me--in

terms of helping them (me) to grasp the philosophies. And, come to

think of it, how do I know you didn't? ;-) I'll have to see. And I'm

glad you're here, even if for me to see my projections.

Karin

Hi Uvie,

I think you REALLY need to look A LOT more closely at what being

honest REALLY means. Since you have " All war belongs on paper " I

would direct your attention to following quote from the book.

*snip*

Please note that does not GO AROUND TELLING OTHERS " Oh ... you

are too critical " or " Oh ... you are too proud " . Firstly because

they did not ask her for what she sees, and secondly because she

would not go beyond her own story about what would hurt someones

feelings.

MAYBE you MAYlearn from this experience and ask YOUR NEXT

GIRLFRIEND if she really wants to know the " truth " , before you DUMP

your unquestioned projections onto her.

> >

> > Hm...

> >

> > I am surprised that none of you (especially love, of

> > course) remarks how confused he would be if he

> > believed he could actually hurt another person...

> >

> > Oh, well.

> >

>

> I did not feel the need to mention that point because

> had already made that clear in the passages I quoted. Yes, we

> all know that no one can be effected by anything except their

> thoughts, but that does NOT give us a blank cheque to say anything

> we like! Here are the passages again, since it appears that you

> missed them in my original post

>

> " If I think that saying something to you would hurt your feelings, I

> don't say it. I don't go past my own projected boundaries. I stop

> because I don't want to feel the guilt of my own story. I can't know

> that it would hurt your feelings. I stop for my sake. And I don't

> live my life being careful about what I say. I simply take

> responsibility for my own heaven or hell. "

>

> " It's not possible for me to hurt another person with my words.

> (Please don't try to, believe this until you realize it for

> yourself.) If you ask me point blank for the truth, then I'm going

> to tell you what I see. I want to give you everything that you

> ask for. The way you receive my answer is the way you hurt you with

> it or you help you with it. I'm just giving you what I've got. You

> asked. "

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

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Hi again lovetheworkofbk,

What do you make of encouraging us to read our worksheets to our

" neighbors " , after asking, of course.

Ric

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>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: thanks tamar for the book - Uvie

>Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:12:08 -0000

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> > hi,

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> > I only told her after she asked me to tell her the truth... she

>

> > for one has always been completely honest with me, and she really

>

> > wanted to hear it...

>

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>Hmmm .... she may have said that she really wanted to hear your

>

>projections, but I still would not have shared them if I had even

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>the smallest thought that they could have hurt her.

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>Before I shared my projections of someone being proud, critical,

>

>boring etc. I would inquire and see if they were really true. Could

>

>have saved both you and your girlfriend a lot of suffering.

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>Have a beautiful day

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> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

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> Hi again lovetheworkofbk,

>

> What do you make of encouraging us to read our worksheets to

> our " neighbors " , after asking, of course.

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Ric I remember somewhere warning someone about sharing a

worksheet with the person you have just judged. She said to share

what you had realized about YOURSELF (turn arounds) not your

judgements of them.

If someone has an adequate understanding of the Work it may be

helpful for them to hear your judgements of them, but only to see if

there is anything left for them to do the Work on. In this case one

would not expect the sharing to hurt the recipients feelings.

Have a beautiful day

" Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron