Weight....

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Also, the hair loss has gotten worse..Margie

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:07:50 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>

>

>Margie,

>

>

>

>Do you know if your capsules were removed? I don't

>

>remember.

>

>

>

>If you're actively working at detoxing, you may be

>

>experiencing a herx effect . . . which means that

>

>you'll be feeling better once your body has a chance

>

>to clear the toxins.

>

>

>

>Hugs,

>

>

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>--- Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> > Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more

>

> > autoimmune diseases after having

>

> > just the implants removed. I keep getting new

>

> > diseases and not getting any

>

> > better. Does this ever stop! Margie

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

>

> > >Reply-

>

> > >

>

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

>

> > >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

> > >

>

> > >Donna,

>

> > > It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well

>

> > remember my early days of

>

> > >discovery about what was happening to me, and then

>

> > the healing process, and

>

> > >finally coming to grips with the idea that I may

>

> > never be the same again.

>

> > >It's just not right. Doctors should warn women,

>

> > tell prospective patients

>

> > >just how serious autoimmune diseases can be.

>

> > Elaborate on the subject to

>

> > >make sure it is understood completely. Not to do

>

> > so is criminal. It's

>

> > >deceptive. They downplay any risks associated with

>

> > implants and make you

>

> > >think these things are just plain safe.

>

> > >

>

> > > What's worse is when you do show some of the

>

> > symptoms that they glossed

>

> > >over, they say, " it's not the implants. " They are

>

> > in a huge state of

>

> > >denial. (And they think we are the ones that have

>

> > psycho problems!)

>

> > >

>

> > > I remember the nurse telling me to my face when

>

> > I told her of all the

>

> > >symptoms I was experiencing " the implants are the

>

> > safest on the market " .

>

> > >As if that concept will make a difference to MY

>

> > body! They can claim

>

> > > " safety " till they are blue in the face, but if my

>

> > immune system, my

>

> > >genetics, my organs can't handle the presence of

>

> > silicone like thousands of

>

> > >other people, they are not safe to me! My thyroid

>

> > doesn't care if they are

>

> > >the safest on the market! My body's truth is

>

> > superior to their truth...and

>

> > >it's the one I gotta live with.

>

> > >

>

> > > Donna, don't give up hope for healing from this.

>

> > While it's true that

>

> > >there may be some sort of permanent damage, your

>

> > chances for being able to

>

> > >go forward and live an exciting life again like you

>

> > used to can be realized

>

> > >with dedication to detoxification, a good positive

>

> > outlook on life, and

>

> > >proper treatment. We do have to live with reality,

>

> > but we dont' have to

>

> > >give up our hopes and dreams because of it. Hopes

>

> > and dreams are what

>

> > >propel us forward, and give us joy in living. I

>

> > live with joy each and

>

> > >every day of my life because of the hope I have.

>

> > It's hope that God gave

>

> > >me!

>

> > > Hugs,

>

> > > Patty

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> > > Patty,

>

> > >

>

> > > You are always so kind I like to read your

>

> > responses. This is true to

>

> > >have a positive outlook, it is just hard I guess

>

> > because reality hasn't hit

>

> > >me in the face yet. I want to believe I will be

>

> > healed from this but

>

> > >reality is that I will have for rest of my life. I

>

> > just don't want to face

>

> > >that I guess. It is hard, I feel like I have been

>

> > put through hell after

>

> > >being sick for over a year now. I know a lot of

>

> > others are sick a lot

>

> > >longer than I was before removal. I am thankful I

>

> > found out the truth so

>

> > >soon. I think I am still in shock and I don't look

>

> > good. I don't feel

>

> > >good. It's summer time and hard to grasp. I think

>

> > it might take time for

>

> > >me to first get over how I was left to die by my

>

> > PS, second the finding of

>

> > >truth and third the reality of a permanent illness.

>

> > I will adjust it might

>

> > >just take a little bit. Thanks for the support

>

> > Patty.

>

> > >

>

> > > Donna

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > __________________________________________________

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Margie,

I'm afraid that you're going to have a huge struggle

until you get your implants removed! . . .

I just love the way these doctors tell women that

removing their implants won't help them . . . then

proceed to prove it by not removing them properly!

Where are their heads?

The detox foot pads might help . . . Nothing to ingest

.. . . Have you done a websearch for " detox foot pads " ?

Interesting stuff!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote:

> Rogene, No, the doctor only removed the implants

> last April. detoxing is not

> really a option due to the aquired blood clotting

> disease (whick is also

> auto immune disorder) I keep getting new autoimmune

> diseases. Bladder,

> vaginal ect..... MARGIE

>

>

> >From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

> >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:07:50 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Margie,

> >

> >

> >

> >Do you know if your capsules were removed? I don't

> >

> >remember.

> >

> >

> >

> >If you're actively working at detoxing, you may be

> >

> >experiencing a herx effect . . . which means that

> >

> >you'll be feeling better once your body has a

> chance

> >

> >to clear the toxins.

> >

> >

> >

> >Hugs,

> >

> >

> >

> >Rogene

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >--- Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > > Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more

> >

> > > autoimmune diseases after having

> >

> > > just the implants removed. I keep getting new

> >

> > > diseases and not getting any

> >

> > > better. Does this ever stop! Margie

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

> >

> > > >Reply-

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

> >

> > > >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >Donna,

> >

> > > > It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well

> >

> > > remember my early days of

> >

> > > >discovery about what was happening to me, and

> then

> >

> > > the healing process, and

> >

> > > >finally coming to grips with the idea that I

> may

> >

> > > never be the same again.

> >

> > > >It's just not right. Doctors should warn

> women,

> >

> > > tell prospective patients

> >

> > > >just how serious autoimmune diseases can be.

> >

> > > Elaborate on the subject to

> >

> > > >make sure it is understood completely. Not to

> do

> >

> > > so is criminal. It's

> >

> > > >deceptive. They downplay any risks associated

> with

> >

> > > implants and make you

> >

> > > >think these things are just plain safe.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > What's worse is when you do show some of the

> >

> > > symptoms that they glossed

> >

> > > >over, they say, " it's not the implants. " They

> are

> >

> > > in a huge state of

> >

> > > >denial. (And they think we are the ones that

> have

> >

> > > psycho problems!)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > I remember the nurse telling me to my face

> when

> >

> > > I told her of all the

> >

> > > >symptoms I was experiencing " the implants are

> the

> >

> > > safest on the market " .

> >

> > > >As if that concept will make a difference to MY

> >

> > > body! They can claim

> >

> > > > " safety " till they are blue in the face, but if

> my

> >

> > > immune system, my

> >

> > > >genetics, my organs can't handle the presence

> of

> >

> > > silicone like thousands of

> >

> > > >other people, they are not safe to me! My

> thyroid

> >

> > > doesn't care if they are

> >

> > > >the safest on the market! My body's truth is

> >

> > > superior to their truth...and

> >

> > > >it's the one I gotta live with.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Donna, don't give up hope for healing from

> this.

> >

> > > While it's true that

> >

> > > >there may be some sort of permanent damage,

> your

> >

> > > chances for being able to

> >

> > > >go forward and live an exciting life again like

> you

> >

> > > used to can be realized

> >

> > > >with dedication to detoxification, a good

> positive

> >

> > > outlook on life, and

> >

> > > >proper treatment. We do have to live with

> reality,

> >

> > > but we dont' have to

> >

> > > >give up our hopes and dreams because of it.

> Hopes

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Rogene, My implants were removed , but not the capsules. I just can't believe I keep getting worse instead of better. Margie

From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>Reply- To: Subject: Re: Re: Weight....Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT)

Margie,I'm afraid that you're going to have a huge struggleuntil you get your implants removed! . . . I just love the way these doctors tell women thatremoving their implants won't help them . . . thenproceed to prove it by not removing them properly!Where are their heads?The detox foot pads might help . . . Nothing to ingest. . . Have you done a websearch for "detox foot pads"?Interesting stuff!Hugs,Rogene--- Margie Horan <margiehoranmsn> wrote:> Rogene, No, the doctor only removed the implants> last April. detoxing is not > really a option due to the aquired blood clotting> disease (whick is also > auto immune disorder) I keep getting new autoimmune> diseases. Bladder, > vaginal ect..... MARGIE> > > >From: Rogene S <saxony01 >> >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....> >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:07:50 -0700 (PDT)> >> >> >> >> >Margie,> >> >> >> >Do you know if your capsules were removed? I don't> >> >remember.> >> >> >> >If you're actively working at detoxing, you may be> >> >experiencing a herx effect . . . which means that> >> >you'll be feeling better once your body has a> chance> >> >to clear the toxins.> >> >> >> >Hugs,> >> >> >> >Rogene> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >--- Margie Horan <margiehoranmsn> wrote:> >> >> >> > > Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more> >> > > autoimmune diseases after having> >> > > just the implants removed. I keep getting new> >> > > diseases and not getting any> >> > > better. Does this ever stop! Margie> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 >> >> > > >Reply- > >> > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....> >> > > >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)> >> > > >> >> > > >Donna,> >> > > > It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well> >> > > remember my early days of> >> > > >discovery about what was happening to me, and> then> >> > > the healing process, and> >> > > >finally coming to grips with the idea that I> may> >> > > never be the same again.> >> > > >It's just not right. Doctors should warn> women,> >> > > tell prospective patients> >> > > >just how serious autoimmune diseases can be.> >> > > Elaborate on the subject to> >> > > >make sure it is understood completely. Not to> do> >> > > so is criminal. It's> >> > > >deceptive. They downplay any risks associated> with> >> > > implants and make you> >> > > >think these things are just plain safe.> >> > > >> >> > > > What's worse is when you do show some of the> >> > > symptoms that they glossed> >> > > >over, they say, "it's not the implants." They> are> >> > > in a huge state of> >> > > >denial. (And they think we are the ones that> have> >> > > psycho problems!)> >> > > >> >> > > > I remember the nurse telling me to my face> when> >> > > I told her of all the> >> > > >symptoms I was experiencing "the implants are> the> >> > > safest on the market".> >> > > >As if that concept will make a difference to MY> >> > > body! They can claim> >> > > >"safety" till they are blue in the face, but if> my> >> > > immune system, my> >> > > >genetics, my organs can't handle the presence> of> >> > > silicone like thousands of> >> > > >other people, they are not safe to me! My> thyroid> >> > > doesn't care if they are> >> > > >the safest on the market! My body's truth is> >> > > superior to their truth...and> >> > > >it's the one I gotta live with.> >> > > >> >> > > > Donna, don't give up hope for healing from> this.> >> > > While it's true that> >> > > >there may be some sort of permanent damage,> your> >> > > chances for being able to> >> > > >go forward and live an exciting life again like> you> >> > > used to can be realized> >> > > >with dedication to detoxification, a good> positive> >> > > outlook on life, and> >> > > >proper treatment. We do have to live with> reality,> >> > > but we dont' have to> >> > > >give up our hopes and dreams because of it. > Hopes> >> === message truncated ===

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[Guest guest]

Margie,

As an analogy, imagine the capsules as a wrapper for

your implants . . .

After your implants were removed the wrapper still

holds particles of all sorts from your implants. Now,

instead of being intact, it has been ripped open and

the gunk is slowly being squeezed out into your body.

Capsules are living tissue . . . they have a blood

supply. Contrary to what some plastic surgeons tell

women, they are not absorbed. Rather, they turn into a

living mass that nutures whatever contaminents it

contains and releases them into your system.

From what we've observed, we've found that, if a woman

doesn't get better after explant, one of three things

has happened. . . . She had an extracapsular rupture

before explant . . . She had a spill during explant,

or . . . the capsules were left in place.

Not everyone whose capsules were left in place gets

sicker. However, if a woman does get worse, she needs

to have the capsules removed ASAP!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Sunny and Lynday,

Thanks for the info on Chiropractor's I am going to go to one in a few weeks for relief of this neck and shoulder pain.

Donna

[Guest guest]

--- Donna, my life was literally saved by chiropractor adjustments for

my neck...also, deep tissue work and ultra-sound treatments at physio

were simply heavenly. I really believe in the whole-istic

approach...doctors, chiros, physio, massage, herbs, homeopathy,

whatever works - and alot of systems work together nicely.

Lots of love and peace,

Sunny xo

In , BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> Does any of you ladies think a chiropractor is a good idea????????

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Me, too, Sunny

Lynda

At 05:48 PM 6/6/2006, you wrote:

>--- Donna, my life was literally saved by chiropractor adjustments for

>my neck...also, deep tissue work and ultra-sound treatments at physio

>were simply heavenly. I really believe in the whole-istic

>approach...doctors, chiros, physio, massage, herbs, homeopathy,

>whatever works - and alot of systems work together nicely.

>

>Lots of love and peace,

>

>Sunny xo

>

>In

><mailto: %40> ,

>BSBanshee1@... wrote:

> >

> > Does any of you ladies think a chiropractor is a good idea????????

> >

> > Donna

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- WOW, Sherry, you've have a rough time of it. That's alot of

stress to go through. Just a suggestion...my son became a

distributor of Herbalife Products a few years ago and I began taking

them. It is a reputable company with 50 doctors and scientists on a

medical board. When people start the nutritional therapy method,

it's wonderful what happens to their health. Check out the website -

Herbalife and do some research. You never know if it can help or not.

I do care about you as a sister in health.

Blessings,

Sunny

In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>

> My silicone implants were placed in 1974. In 1977, I developed

trigeminal neuralgia for which I still must take pain medication

every few hours. In 1980, I was diagnosed as hypothyroid. In 1985, I

had emergency back surgery for a herniated disk that fractured and

migrated such that a fragment was penetrating my spinal cord and

beginning an ascending paralysis. I weighed only 80 pounds, not at

all the typical candidate for such a disorder. In 1995 following

having been defrauded personally by a business associate of more than

$50 million and left destitute and homeless with a corporate personal

debt that, today, approached $16 million, I developed my systemic

skin rash from which I still suffer severely. I am scarred all over

my body from a decade of scratching. Currently, I have open lesions

all over my scalp, back and abdomen. At the same time, for the first

time, I began to gain weight. For the past five years, nothing has

been successful in my efforts to lose the excess 20 pounds. All my

life I struggled with being underweight. Now, this weight gain, hair

loss and fatigue also coincide with menopause and with the severe

trauma and stress of having been a crime victim (my best friend was

murdered by my attorney in the white collar scam because I'd given

him shares of stock in my company and he was killed in order to steal

those shares that were soon valued at $18 million.... Molly, was

there during this and can verify that what I am saying is absolutely

truthful) and also follow a severe incident with infectious

mononucleosis so it is scientifically impossibly to say with

certainty that the implants are the sole cause.

> Re: Weight....

> >

> >

> > I have the same thing I'm 5 ft 4 and I'm a 10 now and was a 5

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Patty, it's tough...it's too bad we don't have holistic labs!! My

doctor is very supportive with me going " natural " and understands my

desire to be drug-free due to the level of toxicity my body is in. I

am fortunate with the way he respects me knowing my own body. He

will send me for tests, e.g. cholesterol, knowing that I am on a

natural path of lowering my cholesterol...interestingly enough I

found an article where an experiment was done with rats and silicone

injections - their cholesterol level went sky high very quickly!

Hmmmm...I wonder if that isn't my problem! Have you approached your

doctor about testing? Is he supportive?

Love & Healing Prayers,

Sunny

In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

wrote:

>

> I also have taken the route of self medication, but I do not have

the testing done. How do you get regular testing while self-

medicating?

>

> I upped my Armour dosages a few weeks ago and ended up with

splitting headaches....I know it was too much for me, so I had to

back down again.

> Patty

>

> cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

> nope.

>

> after firing two doctors (both wanting me on different

> dosages)....and then having one doctor fire me (i refused to change

> the dosage amount on which i'd been well and happy for over a

> year)...i made the choice like so many others to self-medicate.

> There is no rocket science behind treating hypo symptoms...you take

> enough to not have hypo symptoms. I've been on the same dosage now

> for over 2 years. better than i've been in the past 20 years.

>

> that's why my thyroidal buddies from Natural Thyroid hormones

> started our site/forum at www.stopthethyroidmadness. It's time to

> get back to the old ways (when it was treated by symptoms before

> there were labs) so folks can stay well.

>

> but there are doctors who " get " this..i just got tired of paying

> $$$...and am doing so well..I figured why bother right now.

> Cindi

>

>

>

> > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> >

> > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

> > cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

> >

> > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose

> appropriately...but

> > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to

> > reflect the severity of my hypo.

> >

> > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are

> > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still

> have

> > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a

> lowered

> > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from

the

> > disease and the antibodies have gone down.

> >

> > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

> > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like

> mine.

> > cindi

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny, I really have no doctor....guess I need to find one to call "my doctor". I have gone to a few (homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractor) several years ago, but basically just don't go to doctors anymore. I do need to schedule an appt with my PCP though, just for some needed checkups. Thanks for the reminder! PattySunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: ---Patty, it's tough...it's too bad we don't have holistic labs!! My doctor is very supportive with me going "natural"

and understands my desire to be drug-free due to the level of toxicity my body is in. I am fortunate with the way he respects me knowing my own body. He will send me for tests, e.g. cholesterol, knowing that I am on a natural path of lowering my cholesterol...interestingly enough I found an article where an experiment was done with rats and silicone injections - their cholesterol level went sky high very quickly! Hmmmm...I wonder if that isn't my problem! Have you approached your doctor about testing? Is he supportive?Love & Healing Prayers,Sunny :)In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:>> I also have taken the route of self medication, but I do not have the testing done. How do you get regular testing while self-medicating?> > I upped my Armour dosages a few

weeks ago and ended up with splitting headaches....I know it was too much for me, so I had to back down again.> Patty> > cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:> nope. > > after firing two doctors (both wanting me on different > dosages)....and then having one doctor fire me (i refused to change > the dosage amount on which i'd been well and happy for over a > year)...i made the choice like so many others to self-medicate. > There is no rocket science behind treating hypo symptoms...you take > enough to not have hypo symptoms. I've been on the same dosage now > for over 2 years. better than i've been in the past 20 years. > > that's why my thyroidal buddies from Natural Thyroid hormones > started our site/forum at www.stopthethyroidmadness. It's time to > get back to the old ways (when it was treated by symptoms before > there

were labs) so folks can stay well. > > but there are doctors who "get" this..i just got tired of paying > $$$...and am doing so well..I figured why bother right now. > Cindi> > > > > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3. > > > > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous > > cachexia..the last stage of hypo. > > > >

evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose > appropriately...but > > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to > > reflect the severity of my hypo. > > > > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are > > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still > have > > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a > lowered > > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from the > > disease and the antibodies have gone down. > > > > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for > > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like > mine. > > cindi> > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

[Guest guest]

--- Patty, yes, it's certainly challenging finding a loving, caring

doctor with ethics, as well. I've had my share of emotionally

abusive behavior thrown my way. I've decided to report any

professional who is not acting in that manner. Too many people feel

defeated and say, why bother? It won't make a difference. But it

will. One of my counsellors in the past encouraged me to report a

psychiatrist who was treating me, and was extremely emotionally

abusive with me. She said several ladies had come to her complaining

about him. So I did. He denied everything, ofcourse, too bad there

wasn't a fly on the wall to witness what he said! Anyway, I felt

good that he got a black mark against him, even though he was not

made accountable for what he did.

Wish you luck in finding a great doctor!

Love & Healing,

Sunny

In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Sunny,

> I really have no doctor....guess I need to find one to call " my

doctor " . I have gone to a few (homeopaths, naturopaths,

chiropractor) several years ago, but basically just don't go to

doctors anymore.

>

> I do need to schedule an appt with my PCP though, just for some

needed checkups.

> Thanks for the reminder!

> Patty

>

> Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:

> ---Patty, it's tough...it's too bad we don't have

holistic labs!! My

> doctor is very supportive with me going " natural " and understands

my

> desire to be drug-free due to the level of toxicity my body is in.

I

> am fortunate with the way he respects me knowing my own body. He

> will send me for tests, e.g. cholesterol, knowing that I am on a

> natural path of lowering my cholesterol...interestingly enough I

> found an article where an experiment was done with rats and

silicone

> injections - their cholesterol level went sky high very quickly!

> Hmmmm...I wonder if that isn't my problem! Have you approached your

> doctor about testing? Is he supportive?

>

> Love & Healing Prayers,

>

> Sunny

>

> In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I also have taken the route of self medication, but I do not have

> the testing done. How do you get regular testing while self-

> medicating?

> >

> > I upped my Armour dosages a few weeks ago and ended up with

> splitting headaches....I know it was too much for me, so I had to

> back down again.

> > Patty

> >

> > cindi22595 <cindi22595@> wrote:

> > nope.

> >

> > after firing two doctors (both wanting me on different

> > dosages)....and then having one doctor fire me (i refused to

change

> > the dosage amount on which i'd been well and happy for over a

> > year)...i made the choice like so many others to self-medicate.

> > There is no rocket science behind treating hypo symptoms...you

take

> > enough to not have hypo symptoms. I've been on the same dosage

now

> > for over 2 years. better than i've been in the past 20 years.

> >

> > that's why my thyroidal buddies from Natural Thyroid hormones

> > started our site/forum at www.stopthethyroidmadness. It's time to

> > get back to the old ways (when it was treated by symptoms before

> > there were labs) so folks can stay well.

> >

> > but there are doctors who " get " this..i just got tired of paying

> > $$$...and am doing so well..I figured why bother right now.

> > Cindi

> >

> >

> >

> > > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> > >

> > > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

> > > cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

> > >

> > > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose

> > appropriately...but

> > > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH

to

> > > reflect the severity of my hypo.

> > >

> > > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are

> > > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still

> > have

> > > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a

> > lowered

> > > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from

> the

> > > disease and the antibodies have gone down.

> > >

> > > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

> > > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like

> > mine.

> > > cindi

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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This is what the majority of doctors believe -

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/interactive/news/theme_news_detail.php?id=19780847 & tab_id=116

How arrogant - yet again if it isn't working it must be the patient's fault.

When GP stopped me from having Armour and T3 and reduced the thyroxine, my weight shot up something like a couple of pounds a day. I told him I was eating the same and that to put that much on I would have to be eating thousands more calories a day. But he did not believe me. Even when I showed him that my blood sugar was the same and that the amount of insulin I was taking was just the same, he STILL didn't believe me.

He finally sacked me because he said I do not seem to trust him and there has to be trust between patient and doctor. So where was his trust in what I told him. From the above article I think he is the norm rather than just one bad doctor in the bunch.

Lilian

sadly this problem is so very common- docs tend to undermadiacte hypo patients as they tend to look at the TSh results instead of talking to the poor patient.